Kiez Placement
The map in it's current state is final with the exception of: when everyone agrees to change a certain position. So if for example Süßkiez wants to change location with Just Being and they are both fine with that + Kinderkiez & other kieze agree and are fine with that + no issue for power, then yes, we can change locations. So feel free to take up those discussions here. From an overview POV, the map as it currently is right now, is the best possible solution we could find. But nobody is perfect... So if you have suggestions, feel free to put them here and everyone can chime in.
I need more space for camping?
It is impossible to draw on the map spots dedicated to little tents, that are spread out all over the site. Consider the spot you are given on the map as where your core activities take place. Tenting needs to be found person by person, tent by tent, either within that area, or just going around and spotting where one can put their tent that is not part of a Kiez's core area.
KBORG does not take responsibility for you causing a clash with your neighbors. Don't be an ass and go perimeter off hundreds of square meters for your tents that are outside of your core area.
Freecamping
we try to find freecamping areas that will not clash with camps.
waldo Thu 26 Apr 2018 9:43AM
Great feedback! Thanks Alina! The map in it's current state is final with the exception of: when everyone agrees to change a certain position. So if for example Süßkiez wants to change location with Just Being and they are both fine with that + Kinderkiez & other kieze agree and are fine with that + no issue for power, then yes, we can change locations. So feel free to take up those discussions here. From an overview POV, the map as it currently is right now however, is the best possible solution we could find. But nobody is perfect... So if you have suggestions, feel free to put them here and everyone can chime in.
Regarding Kieze communication: we'll work on that and hopefully be more communicative soon :)
CJ Yetman Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:42AM
Alina, there really hasn't been much to report. The placement discussion was apparently being done in private communication between Site Planning and the Kieze, so we don't have any details about that. Other than that, we've mostly been setting up events and asking questions on behalf of the Kieze over and over again until we get concrete answers, which we were not really getting until about now. My goal was to have the bulk of these things answered before the next Kieze meeting on Thursday and Burning Pig that weekend, and it's looking like we're gonna get there. We also have a newsletter coming out today in which we've compiled a bunch of information that is finally settled. We want to avoid a situation like what has happened with the placement, where unsettled information is taken as settled, so prefer not to report about discussions that don't end with some concrete answers, which is, so far anyway, about 95% of the discussions we have. So basically what's been going on behind the scenes is that we've been doing, on behalf of the Kieze, the frustrating task of trying to get concrete answers to questions that are important to Kieze, and it's been a slow process because many things have not been settled until very recently.
waldo Thu 26 Apr 2018 5:09PM
@randypence let me know when you have an idea where to place the basic bitches, so I can add power to the map for them too. Tnx!
Sweet Like Candy Thu 26 Apr 2018 7:08PM
Hey you guys :) So I'd like it put it out there that we Süßkiez do not mind a remote location in the woods and would be happy to swap with Just Being to makes their lives easier! We would looooooove to have the lecker-sounding Dhaba as our neighbour too ;) The only thing is, we are going to go boum boum on two nights and have registered as a sound camp (not as loud/full on as Zerzura or Underworld, but still! And the forest location in the forest has to be a quiet one, right? What can we do?
Randy Pence Thu 26 Apr 2018 7:22PM
Based on your volume levels last year, I would not want you in a designated quiet area
Henrik Thu 26 Apr 2018 9:15PM
I'm also not sure how to go on. On one hand I really like the plattform-valley, on the other hand the quiet zone argument makes sense. Also: Would it be smart to put a camp that revolves around candy next to Kinderkiez? :thinking:
I think we'd need to talk about this face to face, at the assembly or whatever else is happening next. Cheers!
waldo Fri 27 Apr 2018 8:43AM
We can discuss it a bit more here: https://www.facebook.com/events/170005333828721/
But also at Burning Pig. Hope you might be convinced of the new spot. It really is a weighing of all options...
CJ Yetman Sat 28 Apr 2018 9:58AM
Folks, let’s get practical and talk about real solutions rather than debate the justification for things. These are solvable issues. Site Planning is doing a difficult job, managing not just your preferences, but many different, potentially competing, preferences and needs. Compromises need to be made. And keep in mind, the volunteers doing this for kborg are also fellow Kiez Burners, and possibly even your own Kiez-mates… they’re doing their best to make the best situation for everyone, and they deserve a bit of praise and thanks.
Just Being - I do not think you would fit in the platform-valley with 40+ people, it’s just not big enough. What do you really want from that location that you can’t have at the other location? Maybe we can do something about it. You really want a platform? Maybe we can build one at your site. You want a fireplace? That can probably be arranged. Maybe we can even drag that old wagon up to your site if you really want it. Let’s talk about what we can do to make your site work for you.
Süßkiez - It’s unclear to me what your preference for another location, or strong dislike of your location is. What do you need? What did you think you had in the preliminary location that you can’t get in your current location? What problems or obstacles does your current location present? Let’s figure it out. (I am a member of Süßkiez, and after visiting the site, our current location is what my personal preference was, though it was admittedly a bit arbitrary.)
Henrik Sat 28 Apr 2018 1:19PM
Hey CJ, thanks for chipping in. We are all aware that site planning is tricky and so is organizing the build of a larger camp. The location was confirmed to me (yes, in a private slack conversation) and so we started to make plans and arrangements according to that location. We even found a solution to the space problem - which wasn't super easy. So there was quite a bit of time and effort that was location-dependent. Discovering that we had been moved without any heads up just made me angry.
I already let this go, but I want you guys to know that the way this happened wasn't cool. Peace! :pray:
Sweet Like Candy · Thu 26 Apr 2018 7:51AM
Hi guys, SüßKiez here, discovering our new location ;) To be honest we did not realise locations for bigger camps were still in review until now - and were already full power on structure explorations. The new site is quite different than what we expected after our last conversation with Randy. Could you please tell us, is the new placement now final, and if yes, WHO could give us more details about it so that we can start turning the structure ship around BEFORE Burning Pig already? THanks and hugZ. Alina. p.s. I must admit I am finding that camp communications flow a little less well this year - I do not feel like we are fully aware of what is happening behind the scenes. Would be nice to change that with a weekly email maybe? I know that's extra work for your mighty shoulders, but is absolutely essential to ensure all camp leads are in the loop. Hope this is OK to voice here)