It's a bit weird to me that the order of discussions can be switched around. I feel like I have to think a bit for each thread. It also means the mapping of this nav menu doesn't make sense for 'newest first' thread — clicking 'End' takes one / leaves one at the top of the page:

This is a cool feature, but not quite working — in that all the first list should have ticks beside them, as I know they've seen the notification because they have voted:

copy as / paste from markdown

will be great. thanks Rob

The new rich text system supports more features than Markdown.

However I do recognise the value of markdown. We'll add a copy as / paste from markdown ability.

True dual format support is too much work if we support any features at all, ie: mentions, drag and drop uploads or view edit history.

I just did my first major edit on an old comment containing a long list of sources; I needed to add another to the list. The old comment was pasted in as Markdown, and I want to do the edit in my Markdown editor, where I keep a master copy of all the long comments posted to that group. But I find that there's no Markdown support now, in the new editor😟 Is there really no Markdown support? If so, this is a real loss and inconvenience. The new editor is neat and works well, but Markdown is a basic exchange format.

Recent progress:

• The thread page has had a lot of work (uses less cpu, memory, bandwidth, jitters much less and is faster) - rendering very large threads should feel good, rendering short threads equally good.

• fix proposal legend to support consent and objection (cc @John Gieryn )

• fix editing attachments on comments, proposals etc

• removed the Facilitate button and now you see Comment, Proposal, Poll

• added star and whitecheckmark emojis

• added back explore page and links to it from sidebar and empty dashboard

• big improvements to the group page tabs, threads, polls, members, files all load faster and paginate better

We're very close to calling this a first 2.0 release, work has started on the iOS app

Hi Greg, this report received over the weekend that poll info is pushing over mobile screen.

I keep coming back to this and wondering if I've mis interpreted you. Would you mind sharing a screenshot of the problem you're experiencing, Marco? Thank you!

I think that is what happens already. When you type, the area expands as you go.

Mod proposal: When someone write more than a line (word wrap) on a text entry area (on discussion, comment, proposal, and soon), imho is needed that the area automaticly resizes, so is easier to write the second line and more.

Hi Marco. The translation files are the same as 1.0. So if you bring those translations up to date, they'll apply to Loomio 2.0.

This means that once 1.0 is retired, there will be a lot of translation strings removed.

@robertguthrie I wish to translate LOOMIO 2.0 into italian updating the translations I already have done in the past. Are all the new files available on Transifex?

I went into a subgroup I hadn't visited in a while ("Customer Support") and made a new thread there. When I was done with that, I suddenly had an indicator that there were 14 unread threads in that group. These also had not been showing on my Unread Threads page. Thought you'd like to know :)

just this thread...still trouble shooting before i report again to rob...and it is not that huge in the scheme of things...our main group is working just fine and i am loving the increased finesse of 2.0.xxxxx

Are you still having a thread that continually shows as unread no matter what you do?

my experience of that feature is a lot of people who check it out but do not actually do anything. but then i know they fully received it...

excuse the late reply but i thought i had finally found the 'unread post' that always shows...😟this was not it...

I got confused when today I received a notification "Rob accepted your invitation to join [Thread, see my email], as you had participated in a poll within the thread (so you had joined the thread after I notified you via tagging you the context)

Maybe it has to do with the @mention I sent you two weeks ago in that thread, but the notification would still be confusing, in that case, as you'd already "joined" the thread by voting

We now support switching the thread to display newest items first, and selecting how much nesting is used. I think newest first threads will be really useful for a lot of groups.

Brooks how much of your pain is about groups, vs subgroups?

you can now access the 'Explore groups' page again if you scroll to the bottom of the sidebar 🙂

You got it! Thanks for commenting it here!

I really don't mind if something has been said already, repetition is useful and I'll sort it out if not.

I can't readily gain an overview of the right way to act in here or check if someone has made this point before(I hope so!)

I notice in the 2.0 beta that the issue of easily gaining access to the list of groups to sign up to is nowhere to be found, at least by me. In my view this is the number 1 issue for new users at the Borderland, and the one that causes many of them to flee Talk before giving it a proper chance. Please please please grant us a feature on the sidebar to 'Join more groups' or the like!

Totally bamboozled on this. Keen to know if it ever happens again.

Not sure why/how the format of this thread context got mangled? Was fine last I looked

yeah it is iDXSvbPa

just confirmed it is still broken

hey rich, can i get the group id/key off you?

In beta, I can't toggle the "Members can create subgroups" permission setting.

New feature: Embed Videos!

@Greg Kan made this magic happen in under 60 minutes today. Really amazing!

Also the icon in the Timeline might want to change:

Two things with new voting tools within Proposals:

1. No voting: Group members still see the "Vote" bar+button at the top, which may send mixed message, and when you click this the behavior also doesn't help as it doesn't light up the bit where they're supposed to interact with this type of proposal, ie, the comment field

2. The metrics on the Results are missing some bits (new bits, it appears):

@Rob Guthrie

Recently completed/addressed:

- sidebar should not show archived groups
- thread forking removed, instead...
- can move comments from one thread to another
- fix yes and no check images for check poll
- fix table support in text editor
- add help text for changing cover image and logo in group profile form
- add lastSeenAt to members panel
- support removing attachments
- autofocus on add link dialog
- order sidebar subgroups by those the user is a member of first
- focus color on thread item fades
- show discussion seen by information

Thanks for sharing. I don't think I can make the edit toolbar icons bigger, but I can give them tooltips and make them darker when the field is focused.

I'm struck again in this beta layout, by how small and pale the icons are in the edit options below the comment entry field. And no mouse-over pop-up legend. So a step backwards in clarity and usability. Likewise, small fonts in left and right sidebar menus. Please have a thought for older folks eyesight?

I'm with Sukie regarding the display of time poll results. The little icon rows don't communicate like the grid did. The rows show 'the winner' but the grid shows better who can do what.

Holy hot grid!! Thank you so much! Looks really good 🙌🏽

Ok, the grid is back! (v246)

Thanks for explaining this for me Sukie. I thought I'd had a breakthrough with the new time poll design.

The finishing of it has proved a little difficult though, I'm not happy that it does not line up on a grid vertically.

We'll see what we can do to improve things.

TIME POLL:

I absolutely loved the old time poll feature. It was so easy to see who responded, how many responded, and what the most popular time from the group was. Organizing through doodle was a big nuisance, and I found time poll my answer to no more doodles

Looking at the time poll in 2.0, I quickly became confused, and it was hard to determine results. I really just loved the way the old one worked; how easy it was to scroll through a chart both horizontally and vertically, and see my results at a quick glance. The new way is more spaced out, not a grid, and even the icons are different sizes throughout (see pic below), which made it very difficult to read/determine results. Also, the actual day of the week (Mon, Tue, etc.) is not listed anymore, which necessitates me needing to stare at my calendar while organizing something.

I may be the only one in this boat (I am an spreadsheet enthusiast), but is it possible to bring the grid back? Its clear organization helped put my technology-induced anxiety brain at ease. I get how it could be a cumbersome the old way too, and I do like the new idea of picture icons in green/yellow, so maybe there is way to combine the two?

Sweet Blissful Grid:

I think we've since addressed all these issues, @Sukie Conley . Thanks for naming them all.

Hiya!

Preface: I am a super basic user that loves how easy my iPhone and Mac are to use, but if things aren't super intuitive, I get lost and overwhelmed easily.

Basically, I want to easily navigate to a view of my organization's threads that includes my subgroup threads. With john's help, I found it possible, but honestly, I just thought loomio had deleted my subgroups for some reason (because I couldn't see them/find them from the group page), and I was confused.

1. As a user, from a thread I wanted to return to the organization view that includes the subgroups I am in. When I clicked the hyperlink with my group's name (at the top of the page in blue), it took me to my group's page sans the subgroup threads.

2. From the navigation bar on the left, I didn't know how to use the drop down vs clicking the name in order to include or exclude subgroup threads.

3. It was very difficult and cumbersome to scroll and try to find the subgroups I am a part of because the drop down shows me all of the subgroups available, which was pretty overwhelming as a new user.

Thanks for taking the time to list these out, Mike. I really do appreciate it.

1. Will fix. Can you forward me the email (to rob@loomio.org) that has the link to the comment, I've put a lot of work into arriving at the right place from links, so I'd like to make sure I fix this case too.

2. Confused. Nested not chronological is the default view. Maybe you mean chronological not nested?

3. Will bring back: Thread participants - what was it about that feature that you found useful?

4. Loomio 1 did not offer a notification option when positing a comment. Although in L2, you can see when people have opened your notifications. Can you explain further what you find missing?

5. Bug!? Can you give me the poll url for the situation where not all thread participants were being listed, I'll sort it out.

Thanks for your feedback, I know it seems like nothing happens to it, but I assure you it helps me make progress. Copy link function coming very soon.

The Loomio 2 search function is a massive improvement over 1, and the timeline feature makes it much easier to navigate threads, however I hear you on the need for comment search and will work towards the right solution.

Thanks Rob.

Broadly, I keep discovering things from Loomio 1 that seem to be lost in Loomio 2.

• Dropping into a thread at the place where I’ve been notified of an @mention. Like this present one. I’m replying in email bcos I can’t find the place in the thread, to review my earlier comment that you refer to.
• Displaying a thread Nested not Chronological. I really miss this. Seems basic.
• Being able to view thread participants.
• Being offered a notification option when posting a comment.
• ‘Thread participants’ as a notification option (where it occurs - for example, editing a Poll) didn’t bring up all participants - only about half of them. The others had to be inserted by hand.

And the old problem of searching within threads, which really does need a solution. For example, this thread is so complex now, I’ve given up attempts to find my own previous comments or to search first for other folks’ comments, before I post a new one. Like this one!

I think you'll like the improvements on layout and spacing in the current version of Loomio, @mike_hales.

I just used Loomio 2 for the first time on the iPad. At first encounter (even after using Loomio 2 on MacOS for some time now) the interface here looks kinda opaque, in a way I can’t easily put my finger on. If I weren’t a determined, experienced user, I think I’d be put off. I think it might be enough to discourage some of the less tech literate members of a group that I convene.

I had to hunt for the means to drop in at the latest messages in a thread - turns out it’s in the funny little button down in the bottom right corner. Even then, the legend ‘End’ appears in such tiny writing in the slide-over menu, that’s it was easy to miss the first time. And the slide-over is transparent, which makes it hard to read anyway.

Larger font in the slide-over menu please? Kill the transparency? Maybe add the legend ‘MENU’ to the menu button? In large characters!

I guess I’ll get used to commands being in the slide-over. But at first it feels like part of the opacity I referred to.

On the plus side, the comment editor feels good on the iPad.

In MacOS I commented that the line length in comments is too long for fluent visual scanning of lines. Here in IOS this has the additional effect of making the type size pretty small. My old eyes need larger characters!

Larger characters please, fewer words per line?

As in MacOS, I would say that line spacing could and should be a little closer, and that space between paragraphs should be a little less. In MacOS this was bcos of wanting to scroll less to read comments. Here in IOS it’s just bcos the page overall looks to my eye to have a bit too much white space in it.

I used export data in 2.0 for the first time today. It is nice to now receive data via email. 🙌

However it only seems to export in json, and is unreadable for analysis. Can we please have .csv option too (and maybe HTML) 🤞

Setting a title for a member in the parent group doesn't automatically apply to that same member in all subgroups. I understood from here that this should be the case. Or maybe even better: get the choice to have the title applied to all subgroups or not.

while that online metric can be unreliable in the occasional case,(some kind of auto login thing thru ipad/apple? ) i have found it to be worthwhile and accurate enough. but yes, the occasional head scratch...

Thats something to be concerned about. That figure is updated each time the app is refreshed.

Sidenote: OTOH, I found that on 1.0 those metrics were completely unreliable. For example, a member of our group that passed away years ago, would show as active "1 month ago".

Customer feedback on 2.0: One thing I noticed was that you can no longer see how long it is since a member was online, which I find useful to see how engaged people are with Loomio.