Using Loomio for Mass Online Involvement With NatGat3

Thanks @Tricia for the article. I read all of them, and Loomio has had some mass uses. encouraging.

@Cal - yea looks like that's what we'd have to do. scale.

The Alliance for Direct Democracy launched 461 Loomio groups, covering 18 federal departments, 13 regions of Greece, 23 prefectures, and hundreds of counties and municipalities. You can check them out at http://www.pripol.org/. Their website has buttons and tabs to loomio, mumble, etherpad (titan), irc chat, and even doodle.

Wanted to remind folks that there are buttons and tabs for loomio and sharetribe on our hub, http://interoccupy.net/natgat2014/`
also facebook feed. we need twitter! (@jackrabbit)

Natgat3 also has a mumble room that anyone can use at anytime. you need to download mumble, http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/, and get the audio settings right - there is a wizard. It may take several tries, but is well worth it for quick impromptu calls/chat meetings.
NatGat3 Mumble
occupystates.org
password is occupy

For new folks that aren't familiar with maestro calls, if you are having regular phone meetings and want to use the maestro calls through IO, just let me or cal know or request here: http://interoccupy.net/services/request-a-call/

While the how-to part gets knocked around, how about throwing out ideas for what we would use it for. Should that have another discussion or leave them together for now?

networking - creating regional or issue based groups
who discuss and bring some kind of proposal to natgat

framing the larger question - why do this - what is the goal or outcome.

the visioning process of natgat1 asked us to take a look at our desired collective future. natgat2 focused on change at local to global levels. I remember seeing a suggestion (after natgat1) that natgats continue to tackle, vision, strategy, tactics, action, goal.

survey questions, where are you now, what's planned
http://natgat2014.titanpad.com/58

temp check - all sorts of stuff

I am not sure about the “passage” of proposals here; the level of abstentions is a concern. On which proposals have we moved ahead after passage?

It will be very important to have clear guidelines about decision making before we use loomio in the wider community. We will need to publish them before asking folks to be involved. (imo)

I tend to agree with Cal that few proposals get much of a critical mass, and many proposals don’t pass. I don't want to go back over them and do the math, but many proposals only had 5-8 people weighing in. The most popular had 12 or 13.

Let's continue this over on:
How we make decisions - Loomio Decision Making
https://www.loomio.org/d/z4RIg1tK/how-we-make-decisions-loomio-decision-making

After writing to loomio "contact us" to find out about problems folks were having getting on here, I decided to ask Rick how we could leverage loomio for natgat. While not suggesting anything specific, they are happy to work with us if we do something.

Hey Rick,
I'd love to find a way to use loomio for an Occupy wide participatory thing, either live over the 4 days (July 31-Aug. 1), or maybe something for weeks in advance.
A few folks in this discussion said loomio is geared for smaller groups; another said we could scale it. - not sure whether a question, a survey, what form, what type of outcome or how to best leverage it and test it for large participation.
https://www.loomio.org/d/ufMBhS3m/using-loomio-for-mass-online-involvement-with-natgat3
Would love if you guys have any suggestions.
Jackie

Great question Jackie!
It's likely that we'll expand to large group participation in future, but we have chosen to focus on solving the problems of small groups first, and there are plenty more to fix yet!
In my experience, Loomio groups between 10-200 people tend to function really easily. We have some successful groups up around the 500 people figure - that just requires a bit more facilitation and structure (e.g. setting up sub-groups for different topics or geographic areas). Beyond that is uncharted territory.
If you'd like to try some large-scale experiments with the Occupy group, I could offer some support. I know we Loomions would love to work with our Occupy family to develop the culture and technology of large-scale real democracy :)
Warm regards,
Rich Bartlett