Sat 14 Jun 2014 12:43PM

Does U3A need a way to make decisions nationally?

JV John Veitch Public Seen by 14

If the U3A need a way to make national decisions, will a tool like Loomio help us?

Can we talk about that?


Garry Clark Sat 14 Jun 2014 11:03PM

Looks like Loomio is a interesting tool. Called a meeting on Monday at 10am to discuss this issue and draft. Will have feedback to John by Tues or Wed.


Poll Created Mon 16 Jun 2014 4:18AM

Item 2: Ammendment to Item One. Closed Tue 17 Jun 2014 12:09AM

by John Veitch Wed 26 Apr 2017 9:32AM

Garry has permission to invite up to six people to try the Loomio site. If we pass the resolution to invite people a all. That decision is about to close soon.

That Garry Clark in Auckland invite six other people onto the Loomio network for this trial.

This amendment needs to be passed before we vote on Item One so the deadline is tomorrow morning. At Noon.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 75.0% 3 JV JL LH
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 25.0% 1 GC
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 5 FW JE BG AB SC

4 of 9 people have voted (44%)


John Veitch
Mon 16 Jun 2014 4:19AM

Garry has already shared the proposal with four people. Both John and Jo are in Christchurch. We need more Auckland people involved.


Garry Clark
Mon 16 Jun 2014 7:04AM

Too early to say without further discussion


Garry Clark
Mon 16 Jun 2014 11:20AM

Too early to say without further discussion. Now at the point of trying another option like block.


Garry Clark
Mon 16 Jun 2014 11:28AM

Too early to say without further discussion. Now at the point of trying another option like block. Abstain tried now. I can see how one can be pursuaded to change ones mind. You write too much here and run out of characters left. I have 0 left !


Garry Clark
Mon 16 Jun 2014 11:45AM

I see how this is working now after reading that this is an ammendment. 6 extra people are too much at this stage will only agree to 3 more.


Lindsay Hunter Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:01AM

This is a trial. Let's try it. Once we have something to discuss, I will present it to my colleagues.


John Veitch Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:01AM

That's a sensible position to take Garry. I can see that you have already voted. I think it's also possible to change your vote, if you do so before the deadline.


Lindsay Hunter Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:04AM

This is a trial of the decision process enabled by Loomio. It is unclear who are invited to the group as we agreed not to distribute the draft report.


John Veitch Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:08AM

I thought that if each of us invited three people that would make 12 newbies and four originals (who are also newbies of course.) . But given the geographic spread of the first four, there is nobody representing Wellington, and only four from Auckland. In particular Auckland needs a few more people to look at this trial.
That's why I suggested the amendment.


Jo Lord Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:31AM

I approve the amendment as long as all members of this trial know it is just a trial of Loomio at this stage,
i consider it helpful to have a reasonable sized group. This should test how easy or confusing the comments and discussion are to follow.


Garry Clark Mon 16 Jun 2014 11:15AM

Yes this is a trial and its an interesting concept especially if one chooses options like block or abstain which I haven't tried yet. It would be interesting in a committee situation with lots of topics on the addenda. I see John has a photo of himself. Hows that put on?


John Veitch Mon 16 Jun 2014 9:12PM

Ok so we can see, now where everyone stands. Actually the solution is in Garry's hands. Three of us, the people not in Auckland, are happy for Garry to invite six people, and the vote closing a midday, will authorize him to do that.

However at the moment, Garry see's fit to only invite 3, so that's his choice. It seems that the rest of us have given him permission to invite three more if he chooses.


Jo Lord Mon 16 Jun 2014 10:44PM

I agree that it is over to Garry whether he invites a total of 6 people. I am happy with that.


Jo Lord Mon 16 Jun 2014 10:57PM

I am adding this as I don't want to lose sight of Garry's point about use by a committee with many topics to discuss. It sounds as though we may need Threads. Too soon to consider at present, but don't let us forget this.
Also restricted number of characters can probably be avoided by using the Attachment?


Bryan Goulstone Wed 18 Jun 2014 9:55PM

Does U3A need a way to make decisions nationally?
Yes it does.
Will Loomio help?
I think there are other discussion sites which may be better suited for your needs - perhaps there is a need to research this.


Garry Clark Thu 19 Jun 2014 9:35AM

Does U3A need a way to make decisions nationally?
Dont think the timing is right and to go at it now it wont succeed.
Loomio - no good.


John Veitch Thu 19 Jun 2014 11:05AM

I actually think both Bryan, above and Garry above are both right. At some stage New Zealand U3A's do need to find a way to make decisions nationally. Our problems creating a NZ web site point to that.

But I agree with Garry that the timing is not right to make that decision now. So the original question was badly worded, and should not have been offered as a discussion.

Let's see what else people have to offer, if we let this discussion run on for a while. If someone wants to move that this discussion be closed, that's quite in order.