Copyright

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Copyright issues are already engrained into the dna of the Pirate Party. This discussion will help decide how we specifically want the details of policy regarding copyright to be.

Amanda Johnson Tue 23 Apr 2013 6:11PM

I remain unconvinced that eradicating copyright, eventually or otherwise, is a good thing.

A valid point kbenjamin but I do not see it's relevance.

kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon Tue 23 Apr 2013 6:37PM

which are we discussing?
whether or not getting rid of copyright is a good ultimate goal
or
whether copyright abolition is a good policy for gaining momentum
they are two separate discussions and my point is relevant to the latter, it was a counter to Amanda Johnson's "Or we go too far with our reforms..." which is on the same topic

Amanda Johnson Tue 23 Apr 2013 6:37PM

This conversation is confusing me.

Why do we need to get rid of copyright completely. Why is a five year limit not good enough?

kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon Tue 23 Apr 2013 6:51PM

because we support free speech, and copyright is censorship
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/censorship

kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon Tue 23 Apr 2013 6:59PM

you think preventing sharing is a way to encourage sharing? somehow that seems backwards
why is potential recognition and donations/alternate sources of funding not a good enough incentive?

Amanda Johnson Tue 23 Apr 2013 7:06PM

What I want doesn't prevent sharing so I think you are confused. I've said there needs to be a non-commercial uses exception. Commercial uses are not sharing.

Opposing censorship, just because it is censorship, is silly so I will not even entertain that logic.

kbenjamin sauerhaft coplon Tue 23 Apr 2013 7:23PM

you think preventing copying is a way to encourage sharing? somehow that still seems backwards
can you point to any data that show copyright encourages "sharing"?

Alex M (Coyo) Tue 23 Apr 2013 8:19PM

ksc: she refers to a more systemic monetary incentive to create. speaking as a writer and musician, money is not why i write or compose. i do it because i want to share myself with others. money is merely for subsistence, which i personally do not need. i have money, my family has money, and i am smart enough that i do not need to make music and novels my profession. i am a businessman by trade.

Amanda Johnson Wed 24 Apr 2013 2:20AM

Alex: I'm glad that is true for you but I do not think it is a good model for copyright. Think about how scientific progress was when scientists were stealing each others and hiding their works.

Kbenjamin: i said I said I supported non-commercial sharing so I have no idea what you mean.

Opposing censorship, just because it is censorship, is silly.