[post - published] Statement after the 12/09 vote in the EU Parliament on Copyright

RVE Renaud Van Eeckhout Public Seen by 247

Today's vote was lost, and I wanted to have a reaction on that. I didn't want to make one more article about why we should have voted against, etc, this has been done by many people already and... they have not been heard.

So the draft I made is a probably more accusing than our previous statements, and the press is pointed at clearly. We cannot have a healthy debate without a press doing their job, and they didn't do it. Who is going to say it, if not us, we who were insulted by them?
So I wanted to take the opportunity to say that, and remind everyone that the fight is not lost, and even if today's vote had been a success, we would have had to keep on fighting no matter what.

Here the draft : https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/copyrightlaw-statement


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:36AM

Julia Reda also has a nice pic where you see which coalitions voted what. Last time I also did a pic with wich Belgian parlementarian voted what, I can see if I can make that again (I made a HTML/JS template, so I just need to find and fill in the information). It would be nice to include those as well.
I may look for it this evening.


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:46AM

Post with Julia's pic on the previous vote: https://mastodon.social/@julianruf/100328962429281615


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:48AM

Post whith my pic on the first vote + a link to how and where I got the info: https://mastodon.pirateparty.be/@Ilja/100333450354814779


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:39AM

And maybe we could also ask people to send mails thanking those who voted against and asking those who voted in favor why they did that and express their disappointment. (As part of the fight). Especially to those who voted against the first time and for this time!

EDIT: I switched 'against' and 'in favor' facepalm


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 5:28AM

Or even call the MEP's about it if they feel up to it ;)
But I think just asking to call is just scaring away people.


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:57AM

(I think you inverted "in favor" and "against", or at least I'm not going to thank those who voted in favor :sweat_smile: )


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 5:27PM

Link to page of Belgian MEPs: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search.html?country=BE

Clicking on the name brings you to a page with (among other things) contact-details


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 5:29PM

We also have a wiki page for that (not sure you knew about it) : https://wiki.pirateparty.be/SaveYourInternet


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 5:34PM

Ah, I didn't know that. We've been doing double work then :confused:


koen_v Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:32AM

Does the text need a translation to dutch? If so, I volunteer (& if so, please give me a sign when the text is ready)


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:58AM

I think it's too early yet to start the translation, many things could still be changed. But thank you already for your contribution!


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 6:52PM

To illustrate the article, we need a good image. As we talk about copyright, nothing better than a meme.

Any idea for a caption? Something like "When you have no idea what you're doing, but you follow the lobby anyway" for example


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:02PM

Why not just the one you posted on fedi?


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:05PM

The one with "The European Parliament just killed the internet" ?

I think it's an exaggeration => it hasn't happened yet (but will in 2019), it's not "the internet" but the internet in Europe, and it doesn't kill it but affects it (very) badly. I believe talking about "killed the internet" doesn't help us because it's very easy to demonstrate it's wrong.


Ilja Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:32PM


HgO Thu 13 Sep 2018 8:25PM

My contributions are in this Mastodon thread : https://mastodon.pirateparty.be/web/statuses/100720141450500619


Ilja Fri 14 Sep 2018 3:55PM

Trying to create a meme and make it go viral, so you can use it in an article :thinking:

Is that what they call Astroturfing :sunglasses:


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Sep 2018 8:41PM

There have been only minor edits in the text, and at least 3 pirates have already passed through it, so we're moving closer to publishing it. I translated (DeepL) the text in English again, so more people can read and comment. But if you want to comment, please do not wait too long, that kind of statement should normally be published quite quickly.

[FR] Il y a eu des légères modifications au texte, au moins 3 pirates ont déjà contribué, donc on se rapproche d'une publication. Si vous voulez commenter, ne trainez plus !


Ilja Fri 14 Sep 2018 3:17AM

Wow, euh :p please dont link to those HTML things directly :p they are on my personal server at home :p


Ilja Fri 14 Sep 2018 3:47AM

They are just single HTML files with some Javascript btw. But it's all in one file (and then the pics are separate ofc). You can just upload them somewhere else. Maybe somewhere on the website? Or just screencap :) No need for HTML/js then even :p I just made the HTML/js page 'cause it's a quick way to make those pages (+ if someone wants to make it pretty with css, they easily can)


Valerie D. Fri 14 Sep 2018 6:58AM

The promptness of your reactions always amazes me! :astonished:

Suggestion - I am not able to write this myself as I don't know well enough: I would find useful a short summary of what was voted, in a few sentences, as an intro, so that it can understood by anyone. And then you can start pointing at the press :stuck_out_tongue:


Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 16 Sep 2018 4:08PM

OK so I put the article online, it will be public tomorrow at 7:30AM - you can see it in the image here.

I think all the comments/remarks made have been taken into account so far.

The meme used will be European Parliament at work / Trying hard to stop memes, but feel free to change it before the publication (I didn't see any real choice in favor of one or another). The flemish version could have another meme, maybe? It doesn't really matter, I think.

@koenvdp the text is now ready to be translated! It's the french version on the pad that needs to be translated in dutch (I left a space on the pad for that if you prefer)

OK donc j'ai mis l'article en ligne, il sera public demain à 7h30 - vous pouvez le voir dans l'image ici.

Je pense que tous les commentaires/remarques ont été pris en compte jusqu'à présent.

Le meme utilisé sera le European Parliament at work / Trying hard to stop memes, mais n'hésitez pas à le changer avant la publication (j'ai pas remarqué de préférence particulière pour l'un ou l'autre). La version flamande pourrait éventuellement être illustrée par un autre meme. Mais c'est pas très important.


koen_v Mon 17 Sep 2018 9:13AM

Dear Renaud @vanecx , and others,
I translated the text, it's on the pad. Beware of the following things:
-I added a little information next to the rtbf-article, so that Dutch speaking persons whot do not understand French well, can read the sentence in Dutch and know what is about, also, I added that the professor who speaks is a professor at the University of Namur, so they would understand it is interesting because it is belgian related information. (but, the big majority of Flemish people is much much more familiar with english, so if a alternative in english or dutch eg could be added, that would be good)
-also, below, I added some links with information in Dutch for the use of the Dutch speaking Belgians. A Pirate who understands well Dutch could read it to control if I made a good choice with those extra links (eg, under heading "Extra info, vóór de stemming van 12/09" )
Kind regards-Koen


Ilja Thu 27 Sep 2018 5:49PM

I read it and I love it! In the past we sometimes tried a bit to hard to make translations that where 'as close as possible' to the original. I'm glad you made an effort to make it more understandable instead, which eventually even kept more of the context as intended. It looks way more professional as well! Really nice!


koen_v Fri 28 Sep 2018 7:16AM

Thx 😊 ! It does give me a very good feeling that you are satisfied with it; -Of course, I’m working as a professional writer for some years now, so that helps of course 😉. & concerning ‘trying to stay as close as possible to the text’: yes, it’s true, my translation is almost never 100% the same as the original -although I try to stay very close to the original. (so, if the original is not well written -which is, luckily, rare- as a consequence, sometimes the text I wrote while translating is not very well, I’ve got the impression-it all begins with a source text which is good too😊 ).


Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 18 Sep 2018 6:17PM

Thanks a lot @koenvdp !

I made the article, it will be automatically published tomorrow morning at 8AM, unless someone shouts and/or cancels it on the wordpress. I used Ilja's 'lobby' meme for this one. Don't forget to publish it on your favourite social networks once it's published on the wordpress.


Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 18 Sep 2018 6:21PM

I forgot : I added 2 of the links you provided, @koenvdp I couldn't understand everything but they seem to give the needed info, thanks for your search


koen_v Wed 19 Sep 2018 6:43AM

you're welcome :-) !