Loomio
Tue 18 Apr 2017 3:41PM

Sources of Revenue

TB Thomas Beckett Public Seen by 12

How does this effort pay for itself?

MC

Matthew Cropp Wed 19 Apr 2017 3:05AM

This is the basic toot-length proposal (with #'s pulled out of the air) that I posted to Mastodon a little while back:

Members pay a $1 membership share to join, and commit to paying a $0.10/mo subscription via #Gratipay (a platform co-op). If there is surplus beyond costs, members can propose platform improvements to create bounties for, and then vote on their favorite proposals. Top vote-getters get funded. Members also may propose & vote on instance policies, adjust monthly fee & pay patronage refunds.

@ntnsndr noted that Gratipay does not currently identify donors, which could be an issue, and suggested we look into OpenCollective, which could work, though the fees are high. Definitely open to other options as well...

Ultimately, as we'll almost certainly want a legal entity which can have a bank account (unless someone want to get all fancy DAO), so I'll be talking to Victor of Seedbloom next Friday about both the possibility of a campaign on their equity crowdfunding platform (which hosted the Resonate campaign) and their thoughts on the optimal location to incorporate a platform co-op.

NS

Nathan Schneider Wed 19 Apr 2017 5:36PM

Such small payments are going to be a problem with any paypal-based system. Gratipay accumulates them before processing. Glad you're talking with Seedbloom, that could be great if it works.

Nice thing about opencollective, two, is that the use of funds is transparent as well. Also, it handles incorporation for you. So it may be worth the cost.

NS

Nathan Schneider Wed 19 Apr 2017 8:23PM

I also think we could charge more. $1/month, plus the option for redeemable investment shares.

MC

Matthew Cropp Thu 20 Apr 2017 12:35AM

@ntnsndr after a bit more reading on open-collective, it's something that we could start by using their hosted service until we reach a scale where we need to internalize that function, at which point we could host our own opencollective instance connected to whatever legal entity we come up with in the long term. I'm liking that possibility...

To pricing, yes, I think we need to align pricing to the business plan that comes out of this work, so we need to get a sense of the contours of the supply capacity and demand level of the "co-op nerd" market. ;) I do like the idea of sliding scale based on self-reported income, so as to not exclude the participation of cooperators in the Global South/marginalized community.

NS

Nathan Schneider Thu 20 Apr 2017 1:58AM

I like the sliding scale too.

TB

Thomas Beckett Mon 24 Apr 2017 2:54PM

I think US$1.00/mo is too low for most USAns and many Europeans, but agree with the sliding scale concept. I have no problem with ten cents a month in appropriate circumstances.

MDB

Mayel de Borniol Tue 25 Apr 2017 9:09AM

Handling micro-payments is always issue (unless we go a cryptocurrency route) so paying for membership per-year would make sense

NS

Nathan Schneider Tue 25 Apr 2017 3:43PM

I know Gratipay handles small payments by delaying them until they reach a certain level. Not sure if OpenCollective does that.

NS

Nathan Schneider Wed 26 Apr 2017 4:30PM

Shall we start setting up an OpenCollective instance to test? I'd be happy to do that if y'all like.

NS

Nathan Schneider Wed 26 Apr 2017 10:14PM

And another question: Can members create more than one account?

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