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GA Agenda

JV Jov Ver Public Seen by 328

Three initial points are to be decided on the GA of October 22nd.

  1. We need a decision on moving piratelab.be towards pirateparty.be / partipirate.be / piratenpartij.be. This is a decision only, as the complete project has been developed in a transparent way since July 2nd. A lot of effort has already been put in by various pirates. All pirates have been kept up to date of proceedings on BPU (Belgian Pirates United) and have been informed about the labs which have been held about it. One final lab is scheduled for September 24th, in Mechelen's Expression bar. All with comments or questions are welcome there. Later comments will not be taken into account towards development of the site. Thanks to the Website Squad for all the hard work already.
  2. We need a decision on allowing a national vzw / asbl / non-profit to be installed. Preparation work has been going on since beginning of August. Events were always posted in BPU. Current text is on Google Docs. That text will be finalized Saturday September 10th. As mentioned in the Google Docs' articles of foundation of the vzw / asbl / non-profit, it is an independent organ with a legal and servicing function. Comments about the text are allowed until October 1st (as Saturday 10/09) is too close to react.
  3. We need a decision on allowing said vzw / asbl / non-profit to govern funds and membership database as a tool for pirates to access. The list will clearly not be public, but will serve as a basis for further organisation towards upcoming elections.

Further topics for the GA can be sent to [email protected] before October 1st.


BTW - first time I use Loomio - is this correct?

JVO

Jan Van Opstal Thu 8 Sep 2016 8:41AM

@ Jov Ver (?) it looks like a empty train with open doors, with a conductor screaming.... you are to late to jump on.... whaw ain't that great way of being democratic.... :-(

JV

Jov Ver Thu 8 Sep 2016 12:45PM

I must say I am a bit surprised with your comment: "a great way to be democratic".

Do I understand you well that you find my proposed decisions about efforts which have been carried out in the open, which we solicited input for for weeks or even months, which people have invested their time in and which have a deadline set, an undemocratic way of proceeding?

With input requested at all times - open for each and all, I just think we must prevent high-jacking the assembly, so that all that hard work can be approved. Again: I am doing all of this, not for me, not because of a blind belief in "pirates", I am doing this because the pirate party has a pivotal role to play to improve the local and national communities we live in! I propose that approach so that the pirate party can move forward for crying out loud. We can continue arguing about "democratic process" for aeons and result in never, ever being able to improve it and thus completely and entirely missing the pirate party's intended goal. Would that be a good approach to you?

JVO

Jan Van Opstal Thu 8 Sep 2016 9:36PM

I have the same view as Vincent on this

"I think the crews have a role to play here.
Loomio cannot be the only source of decision but if every proposal has passed the Loomio filter and has been analyzed and commented by each crew before going to the GA, we can save a lot of time.

A general assembly is a place to decide. A debate 5 minutes before making a decision is far too late."

I do understand that many pirates are not fully aware of this workflow.... So as Sarah Van Liefferinghe mentioned today: we need more people on Loomio and a good intro about do and don't s

This workflow has been used in the preparation of the previous GA with positive results.

It is clear that still today not al pirates are informed about the work that has been done during this summertime. Closing the doors so they can not interact is not very friendly way and could result in reverse reactions.... It is easy to divide, it is great to unite ....

With Loomio all proposals can be viewed, commented and voted in advance... So in this way we can grow to consensus toward decisions on the GA....

Let's work on it ...

V

Vincent Thu 8 Sep 2016 8:52AM

If this is a standalone proposal, I recommend you add it as a new topic in the brainstorming zone:
https://www.loomio.org/g/Zur7Xe6o/pirate-party-belgium-permanent-assembly-lvl1-brainstorming-zone

Dispersion of information is our worst enemy.

PS

Pat Seynaeve Thu 8 Sep 2016 8:57AM

It is a proposal for the agenda of the GA.
I suppose this is the topic to do proposals for the GA?
Or should we disperse all the proposals for the GA in apart topics?

V

Vincent Thu 8 Sep 2016 9:05AM

So, what you suggest is that everyone adds proposal for the statutes in this thread and that someone cleans the mess by extracting the relevant information and makes a document with it? Will you do it?
Please show some respect for people who will try to organize this assembly. A consistent input method is important.

And for the record, Jov's post explicitely states:
"Further topics for the GA can be sent to [email protected] before October 1st."
Besides, we are talking about topics to add to the agenda here, not formal proposals to amend the statutes.

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 8 Sep 2016 9:09AM

I suggest that, before sending proposals, you discuss them somewhere, for example in a thread on Loomio.

PS

Pat Seynaeve Thu 8 Sep 2016 9:12AM

Okay, sorry, it was not clear to me, i'll delete mine above.
So the best way to introduce a new proposal is starting a threat at loomio and send it after acceptation from enough members to [email protected].
A little circuitous but if that's the protocol we'll do it that way.

JV

Poll Created Thu 8 Sep 2016 1:55PM

So. GA Agenda ok? Closed Sun 11 Sep 2016 1:02PM

  1. We need a decision on moving piratelab.be towards pirateparty.be / partipirate.be / piratenpartij.be. This is a decision only, as the complete project has been developed in a transparent way since July 2nd. A lot of effort has already been put in by various pirates. All pirates have been kept up to date of proceedings on BPU (Belgian Pirates United) and have been informed about the labs which have been held about it. One final lab is scheduled for September 24th, in Mechelen's Expression bar. All with comments or questions are welcome there. Later comments will not be taken into account towards development of the site. Thanks to the Website Squad for all the hard work already.

  2. We need a decision on allowing a national vzw / asbl / non-profit to be installed. Preparation work has been going on since beginning of August. Events were always posted in BPU. Current text is on Google Docs. That text will be finalized Saturday September 10th. As mentioned in the Google Docs' articles of foundation of the vzw / asbl / non-profit, it is an independent organ with a legal and servicing function. Comments about the text are allowed until October 1st (as Saturday 10/09) is too close to react.

3.We need a decision on allowing said vzw / asbl / non-profit to govern funds and membership database as a tool for pirates to access. The list will clearly not be public, but will serve as a basis for further organisation towards upcoming elections.

Further topics for the GA can be sent to [email protected] before October 1st.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 86.7% 13 SD SVL V H TVB BG J PS L JV SW WM JB
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 13.3% 2 JVO TF
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 33 PI RC KDV SR RVE Z CC TVO PD DR VD PB AI AB JJ WF JC JVP FD JD

15 of 48 people have participated (31%)

TF

Thierry Fenasse
Agree
Thu 8 Sep 2016 6:19PM

In the name of my previous comment.

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