Who is working now on Open Apps Ecosystem?

@olisb i think that if you register to Framindmap, you can modify my map. It can be embedded and export in mm and other format. The idea was to organize the projects I am working on and introducing myself in the same time. If the map is getting bigger, you need a curation of the software/projects. This is what Framasoft have been doing for more than 10 years now, evaluating and promoting open source software. Their library included hundreds of open source software. I don't know if there is a similar ngo in the English world.

I wonder if Framasoft would be interested in tying a bunch of their apps into more of an ecosystem? Like what @funkycram and others are doing with single-signon, or (more advanced) what DigLife is doing with a bot and some dashboards, or what @ivan116 is doing with a personal agent app, or what he and @lynnfoster are proposing in FairCoop by communicating between apps with a common vocabulary and connecting them into an economic network?

Do they offer single-signon now?

I have to learn all these techs !

No, Framasoft don't offer SSO, sure there should be something to do with them.
Does somebody know https://disroot.org/en#_white-bar ? I found very great what they do and I think we could collaborate with them.

@funkycram what differences do you see between disroot and framasoft? Another set of projects developing the same system? (FairCoop has another similar project, and DigLife contains a set of curated and hosted apps, too.)

Framasoft : much more apps, customised for Framasfot, no SSO, for everybody
Disroot : less apps, out of the box (no customisation), sort of SSO (one account, but it doesn't look to be a real SSO), seems to be more for activists. Their principles : freedom, privacy, federation and decentralisation

@olisb is Digital Life collective accepting one of these currencies : Ğ1, Grantcoin, VIVA, Steem or BTS? I would become a member.

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Forum to claim your universal dividend : https://forum.duniter.org/
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I'll sponsor you in diglife @christopheparot1 if you like. While I question the morality of using central bank money I say use them til you lose them. There are a minority of monetary reformists in https://diglife.com and we need you. You can still join for $10. Soom they are removing the choices and having a flat rate of $20.

not sure if DigLife is accepting anything other than normal currency atm - probably best to ask @jimwhitescarver

To be able to modify a framindmap, the author has to add the mail of new participants.

So if you want to be added, you are welcome to send me your mail at cannecy@free.fr

That's cool :) but it sounds like a bit too much admin for it to be classified as a totally open map... maybe not, since if you were to get lots of Admins I guess new people could be added pretty quickly.

I'm keen to collaborate on a mapping project but want to see if we can build a wider consensus between as many people as possible to encourage greater collaboration and more useful / scale-able results then we can achieve with just a few people...

I'm not sure how best to do that but hopefully you can see my point: that if there was a map which anyone could add to, which was promoted by several groups as the starting point for anyone interested in the existing Open Apps it might gain the kind of momentum we need by benefiting from "the network effect".

One idea to think about, that would be in the spirit of Open Apps, would be for a registry where different people could register their apps that they want to be part of the ecosystem.

That's not a proposal (yet), I don't have enuf details on how it might work, or what problems might present themselves...but I think it could be done in a fairly simple and decentralized way, where people just put something on their repo or website that says OAE candidate in some way (could even be just a hashtag), and other people could pick it up in normal web searches.

Come to think of it, that's not much like a registry...

It could be an exercise or a research project on wikiversity, every body can open an account and add his Apps in the page.

Be nice if we could somehow build on the Linked Open Data mapping work of the Solidarity Economy Association see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkuGjkN6IXo

Lynn and I tried to connect to them a couple of years ago to see if we could collaborate on vocabularies between ValueFlows and SSE, and failed. Maybe somebody else would have better luck. We'd still like to do it, and have a project coming up with the Mutual Aid Networks where it might fit.

We also looked at ESSGlobal vocabulary to see if we could just use it or use pieces of it, but it was too limited in scope for what we wanted to do. But definitely, always interested in seeing if we can collaborate.

And @jdaviescoates nice to see you here!

Framasoft have classified and curated 1,600 software, it is huge ! Framasoft is oriented toward the French speaking community

I guess it might be a good time to talk about what I started doing here
https://www.communecter.org/#oae.view.directory.dir.members

we have a whole bunch of features constantly evolving since 4years now
the first interesting one corresponds to Lynn's previous post about
- everything is shareable and can be reused and interoperated with
- everything is available in multiple extraction formats with the opendata api (BabelFish Module)
- everything is geolocated and tagged
- we have community social bookmarking tool for all our findings
- members can be people or organizations and they can be given roles if needed
- the mapping can reference People, Organizations, Projects, Events , POI internationaly
- we fully integrated RocketChat into it , and other open source projects will soon follow integration
- we recently integrated a graph representation of organizations and search results
I'd be glad to do a live presentation for the purpose of the mapping initiative
if anyone wants to see it in action or answer any specific questions
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I'd be up for a live presentation. I did have some experience, but not enough to get the whole set of potentials.

Hi , I'm reaching out with a similar initiative ctznmuv.org. The CTZN initiative started with the idea that progress should be accessible and inclusive - Costs Sharing and Price Sharing where my initial starting point in 2016. The ultimate aim being an Open Value Network that is accessible to the general public; Developing an economic sustainability for the one and the many - rather than just another ''smart gig'' platform - We want to tackle an over 10billion dollar industry that is emerging: the collaborative economy ( https://p2pmodels.eu/who-are-the-owners-of-collaborative-economy/ ).

Lots of Proof of concept already showed the impact of critical mass. Beyond custom site functionalities, at the moment I'm faced with few options (through the accessible communs of sensorica, github, etc) in my attempted in the development / implementation of features and future upgrades. I was hoping to connect with people of common value to better a vision that could be developed and benefit from a shared mutual interest to converge ideas, knowledge and solutions.

Hi @Nassima Mecheri . Thanks for your post. I have had a quick look. Just to be clear the site is a proof of concept? There is no OVN engine in the backend yet? I tried to log in but the system seemed to hang. Do you have mockup screens for how you want the interface for users to look and behave? I tried to find an about section so who is the "we" behind this? Look forward to your reply. Cheers Daniel (Kendraio)

@Daniel Harris Thank you for the prompt response. At this time, the site is no way near to be a proof of concept but rather a prototype attempt of the platform that requires advanced programming skills. I face limits that require more technical knowledge.

The OVN is not implemented but was used with combination of the current socio-economic reality to emerge a new model that would influence the futur of work that is already impacted by the ''Tasking'' industry that is expanding on the old capitalist model.

I tried to reach out to more conventional blockchain developers and other collaborative platforms as initialiy I was thinking in terms of integrated tools for reward and reputation management and engagement (clickup , padlet , etc ) that I wouldn't have to reinvente. Then in the last 5 months,after talking to experts...We need to do this right and not fast; I've been thinking crypto, Holo, and at this point to redirecting the entire project; it's been on hold for few weeks now. But we definitely need a proof of concept relatable to the general public (less or non-academic) to unlock progress.

this website was meant as a mockup preview. An email sign up gives access to the members pages.

Some already have tried to define the value contribution; if not financial, on a personal and practical level: it enhances creativity with idea generation, helps forcing decisions with prioritization, move forward implementation with the validation it brings: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Collaborative-business-modelling-for-systemic-and-Rohrbeck-Konnertz/f38ebeff617366f0705915184b046d1c444cdfac

In the mean time, the reality is urging the necessity for action... Testing of the customized derivatives solution is now underway, with an incremental rollout scheduled for early 2020: https://greyswan.com/login (Haven't requested access but following closely )

READ MORE AT : https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fetch-ai-grey-swan-digital-102000944.html

Hi @Nassima Mecheri . What I am interested in is how you intend humans to interface with your system. If you can show me a schematic and workflow of the walkthrough then this can be built. Have you got something like that? If not can I encourage you to build the plan so that developers can build your dreams? Cheers Daniel

Sure @Daniel Harris , I do have the few drafts... Point valuation at this stage, is symbolic...

Yeah, this seems huge, but only buildable once you start specifying human interfaces. I mean developers need wireframes and walkthroughs and use cases. Is this an app or a platform? How will you drive adoption?

Indeed :) little UML and some more work need to be done. It's a platform... the key is to balance the project demand with supply of resources, select and prioritize the right project organically , deliver and control more effectively, and ultimately move the organization to its “future state.”

1. And how does your platform interoperate with all the 1000s of other platforms already in existence and operational with real users?

2. And why would I use your platform rather than anyone else's: elevator pitch?

3. And what is your strategy for getting users? Remember good technology doesn't get adopted by itself. What's your hook?

1.And how does your platform interoperate with all the 1000s of other platforms already in existence and operational with real users?

At the moment thirdparties are embedded and are available with reward and/or affiliate programs. We should be able to do it differently if we don't what to end up like these other 1000s of platforms.

2.And why would I use your platform rather than anyone else's: elevator pitch?

It answers the questions : what can i do? how can I help? where do I go? While reaching out to all people from all kind of backgrounds, industries and levels of education. Interactions of individuals; acting as a whole to shape the world that we collectively want to live in.

3.And what is your strategy for getting users? Remember good technology doesn't get adopted by itself. What's your hook?

Self-sufficiency, privacy and transparency for the platform and for the participants, while staying open to known revenue streams available: dominate with functionality , connected tools with reward system. I think, in the long term, this has the potential to provide a basic revenue to all its contributors and if not financial , it gives opportunities of a more conscious life.

Like Nature and Science showed, life is beautiful, complex and everything has a purpose. Hoping to converge ideas, knowledge and solutions.