Mandate WorkAround Jedlet

Thank you for providing clarity and helping me to understand the purpose of this Jedlet and your perspective. Your initial post was very unclear, hence my questions seeking clarity & understanding. Its re-assuring to know that all Members are complying with the mandate.

I'm sorry you feel harassed & disrespected. I wont be commenting again.

Thanks again Meredith, I think these links belong in the Covid Jedlet under the Risk Jedi, not here. This Jedlet will do research and collaborate with the appropriate Jedlet / Jedi. It is not appropriate here and if you choose to keep going with this barrage of posts I will take this down and report what this Jedlet does in another way. I find this barrage of posts harassment and disrespectful of the minority's perspective in this organisation.

All members in this organisation are complying with current mandates.

You are implying this group is looking for workarounds that are against the law or rules, that is a big assumption of an outcome when conversations haven't even started yet. Please note - no action to date has been taken and when the Jedlet meets it will go through the regular process of defining purpose, making proposal/s, which will go to the membership for feedback and consideration. I'm sorry these conversations are making you uncomfortable. I do not like to assume what the members of Jeder support and don't support, I hope our values and principles are similar. As stated the right or wrong about the mandates is not a part of this topic, that belongs to the Ethics Jedlet. It will not be discussed here. Thank you for sharing your perspective and I appreciate the time you have taken to do so. I look forward to further conversations of this nature in the Ethics Jedlet.

Hi @Jason Emmins , i agree! I think when i first read the post i was shocked and after reading Michaela's comments i'm even more confused as to the purpose of this Jedlet?

For those Not complying with the mandate there are heafty fines , not to mention the Organisations reputational damage.

QLD - Any person found in breach of the Public Health Directions and/or Public Health Act 2005, i.e. to whom a Direction/Act applies, without a reasonable excuse, could face a penalty of up to a maximum of 100 penalty units or 6 months' imprisonment.

On the spot fines can also be issued. https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/covid-safe-businesses

NSW- Breach of orders made under the Public Health Act 2010launch is a criminal offence and attracts heavy penalties.

In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues. In the case of any corporation, the maximum penalty is $55,000 and a further $27,500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/rules/legislation-penalties#toc-penalties-for-breaching-public-health-orders

So, If reported and found to be in breach of Public Health Orders Im not sure how Jeder will sustain itself with fines like the above being a possibility or recover its reputation if damaged. We could all be at risk of losing of our jobs and our Organisation.

Hi @Michaela Kennedy , the heading says 'Mandate workaround' which implies that you are wanting to find a way around the mandate but by doing so, doesn't that place you and every other Member who feels the same way, at risk of being fined and possible further penalties? As you work for an Organisation of 70+ Members, that also places the whole organisation and all its Members at risk of being penalised, so i feel that the ethical questions i shared are very appropriate. I think everyone in Jeder supports choice & control and we all want to do our jobs well & with kindness & respect for everyone. Unfortunately, this post makes me feel very uncomfortable & feels like my job (and the Organisation i work within) is at risk if there are Members who are not complying with Mandates or any other regulations we have to comply with to do the work we do.

Maybe the purpose will be clearer/clarified once the Jedlet meets and discusses it.

From my perspective, its difficult to work from an ambiguous premise. On one hand you say its not to discuss the right/wrong of the mandates, but then state if you think the mandates are appropriate this Jedlet is not for you- this is the ambiguous and confusing for me.

Looking forward to the discussions and defining the purpose.

Thank you for the effort of the News Headlines, I actually find this a bit offensive and disrespectful to other people's point of view. As stated in the previous comment, this Jedlet is a group for people that want to discuss and develop pro-choice strategies and not a place to debate the mandates. As stated with previous comment I look forward to further discussions in the Ethics Jedlet should you wish to discuss it there.

Thank you for your contribution and opinion. As I stated in the description this is not a Jedlet to discuss the right or wrong about the mandate and your comments are better suited to the Ethical Jedlet not here. This is for the people in Jeder that would like to support choice and control. If you think the mandates are appropriate rules then this is not the Jedlet for you. Thanks anyway and I look forward to discussions in the Ethical Jedlet should you wish to take it there.

Thanks for your comment

hey meredith I really resonated with your statement especially as in particular in the ethics space there was much discussion on the concept of using your willingness to be a headline as the barometer of your actions - so would we as an organisation be comfortable to see the byline below on a facebook NDIS page tomorrow or as a headline in a major newspaper??

Mandate workaround?? Why does there need to be a Mandate workaround? A mandate is a mandate and if we want to work in this environment we need to comply with those mandates. They are put in place to keep people safe. I think the ethical questions should be considered before a jedlet about this is created. 😕

Questions to guide our decision making: 

1.       Would I be Happy for this decision to be headlining the news tomorrow? 

2.       Is there an ethical non-negotiable at play? 

3.       Will my action make the world a better place? 

4.       What would happen if everybody did this? 

5.       What will this do to my character or the character of my organisation? Is this consistent with my values and principles? 

I know that I wouldn't be happy, nor would any of the Participants I work with, be happy if Jeder made the headlines tomorrow about this matter so my answers would be no, yes, no, implosion and destruction. 😕