[post] pirate reaction on Ecolo's proposals

J Josse Public Seen by 408

With CDH wanting to get the PS out of the government and as such inviting Ecolo, Ecolo puts forwards some propositions to get rid of the bad political culture. On https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/ecolo you will find a pad in French with a summary article and a reference to the wiki of Patrick as a reaction to those proposals. Do not be afraid to add your comments or even improve the article.


Thierry Fenasse Sun 25 Jun 2017 8:32PM

Do you have a «dead line» about the when you wish to publish the post?
thanks for this thread by the way!


Josse Sun 25 Jun 2017 9:23PM

Let us give ourselves at least until Saturday. I don't expect the political situation to be solved by then anyways.


Josse Sat 1 Jul 2017 10:57AM

@hgo made the first part so beautiful that I don't know what to do with the rest.


HgO Sat 1 Jul 2017 7:11PM

Ahah thank you :blush: I'm currently working again on this article, and if I'm not done tonight, I will work again tomorrow evening. I hope to finish this before the end of the week-end ^

I think that what you wrote is already great (for what I read), but it just needs rephrasing (as French isn't your native language, that's normal ;) )

I'm not sure about the meaning of some sentences though. Maybe I'll put my questions in the chat.

Yes you can start to translate the first part (Introduction + "Ethique des mandataire"). For the title, do as you want, we just need to keep the global meaning (in French the actual title sounds a bit strange to me, that's why I proposed something else).

@everybody Feel free to help ;) Just proof-reading would be already very much welcome :D


Josse Sat 1 Jul 2017 11:02AM

If some part is ok, I could start translating too.


HgO Sun 2 Jul 2017 7:19PM

Okay, we are almost done ! :D There are a few paragraphs that still need some work, and then we will have to write down the conclusion.

@josse we would need some clarifications on certain sentences :/ We are not sure about what you meant sometimes...


Josse Sun 2 Jul 2017 10:00PM

I tried to answer where there were question marks. It would be good to have @patrickinstalle 's ideas on this.


Josse Sun 2 Jul 2017 10:11PM

There is quite some things that could be cleared out more and some interesting thinking we could do. E.g. I thought about creating an image to show the differences between the ideal city council and the current city council and how it interacts with citizens and how the agenda would be different between them. That could make the case for showing how important it is to change those.


Josse Tue 4 Jul 2017 9:55PM


Patrick Installé Wed 5 Jul 2017 8:55AM

I am sorry not respond last days. I had a system crash. I should reconstruct it.
It still need work but I am online now.


Josse Wed 5 Jul 2017 7:00PM

@patrickinstalle We could not find back anywhere that the salary of an MP depends on something of the army historically. Secondly about the aldermen and their responsibilities in Brussels: I am too keen to tell that the Brussels should have one city council and not 10. But I don't think that is what the proposals talked about.


Josse Wed 5 Jul 2017 7:02PM

Et encore sur la commission, c'est proposition 4: Proposition 4 - Donner un pouvoir de décision à la Commission de déontologie commune
aux Parlements de Wallonie, de la Fédération Wallonie-Bruxelles, de la COCOF et au PDG. La Région
bruxelloise devra également se doter d’une telle Commission de déontologie. Il est urgent d'installer
cette Commission de déontologie, qui doit voir ses pouvoirs élargis. Les citoyens devront pouvoir la
saisir. Ses décisions devront être publiques.


Patrick Installé Thu 6 Jul 2017 8:32AM

For the base of deputy salary, the source is TV. It would be very difficult to find it back.

Les commisions de déontologies sont des lieux ou se précise la notion de "bon père de famille". Ce qui est gagné en précision et perdu en généralité. A mon sens ces commissions donnent des avis et pas des décisions.


Josse Thu 6 Jul 2017 8:57PM

Mais elle doit quand même avoir quelque chose à dire et être respecté ou autrement cela n'a aucun sens. Si elle ne prend pas de décision, je ne vois pas l'intérêt.


HgO Fri 7 Jul 2017 11:59AM

Je viens de faire d'autres modification, surtout vers la fin. En particulier, j'ai écrit la conclusion, dites-moi si c'est suffisant ou s'il faut encore l'améliorer ^ (Si vous pouvez l'améliorer, c'est encore mieux !!) J'ai aussi rajouté un paragraphe sur le genre, parce que c'était l'occasion d'en parler il me semble :D

Il reste encore à améliorer les paragraphes sur Bruxelles (réduction du nombre d'échevins, etc.). Je ne pense pas pouvoir vous aider là-dessus malheureusement...

Je serai à un festival tout le week-end, donc ne m'attendez pas si vous décidez de publier l'article d'ici-là ;)

PS: J'ai vu que quelqu'un avait fait des commentaires dans la version néerlandaise.. Merci de les faire dans la version originale, sinon on va se perdre : https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/ecolo


Josse Sat 8 Jul 2017 11:50AM

I cleaned things up, integrated the comments of the Dutch pad into the French one and put this cleaned version before the original one in https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/ecolo

I will translate that version into Dutch now and if no further comments, we can publish.


Josse Sat 8 Jul 2017 5:41PM

I published both.


Thierry Fenasse Mon 10 Jul 2017 9:09PM

Thanks for the work, the follow up and the posting on the website! :monkey:


Josse Sat 8 Jul 2017 5:42PM

And mentioned it on BPU. I will wait a little before showing it on the public groups, Mastodon, Twitter, ... So, if anyone still wants to tweak...


Josse Sat 8 Jul 2017 5:43PM

And then FB promotion only to women...


Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 13 Jul 2017 11:28AM

We didn't make it easy for Josse by not being more reactive, sorry about that :/

I just published the french version on our FB page, and the dutch version is scheduled to be published at 4PM today (I think it's best to separate the postings otherwise one might 'hide' the other).

Thanks to all those who participated in the writing.