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Kiez Placement

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The map in it's current state is final with the exception of: when everyone agrees to change a certain position. So if for example Süßkiez wants to change location with Just Being and they are both fine with that + Kinderkiez & other kieze agree and are fine with that + no issue for power, then yes, we can change locations. So feel free to take up those discussions here. From an overview POV, the map as it currently is right now, is the best possible solution we could find. But nobody is perfect... So if you have suggestions, feel free to put them here and everyone can chime in.

I need more space for camping?
It is impossible to draw on the map spots dedicated to little tents, that are spread out all over the site. Consider the spot you are given on the map as where your core activities take place. Tenting needs to be found person by person, tent by tent, either within that area, or just going around and spotting where one can put their tent that is not part of a Kiez's core area.

KBORG does not take responsibility for you causing a clash with your neighbors. Don't be an ass and go perimeter off hundreds of square meters for your tents that are outside of your core area.

Freecamping
we try to find freecamping areas that will not clash with camps.

CY

CJ Yetman Sat 28 Apr 2018 7:30PM

Thanks for the clarification Henrik. Obviously I wasn't privy to your private conversations with Site Planning. I was a bit confused why some Kieze were convinced that the Kieze placement had already been finalized, especially since we're still registering new Kieze (just got one new one yesterday). I hear your frustration with how things went down... I will make sure to discuss that next time Area51 meets. Glad to hear that your current site is not unworkable, or at least that's how I'm interpreting your response. 👍🏼Let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

SLC

Sweet Like Candy Sat 28 Apr 2018 6:38PM

Hey CJ, SuessKiez was just trying to help and ease Just Being's pain. But looking at Randy's comment above, a swap is not an option, as we are a soundcamp. As per Henrik's comment, we too appreciate your work and know well it's a hard task! But, that said, we too were under the impression the last discussion we had with AREA 51 was final and had no idea changes were in sight. As per Henrik's comment, a heads up would have been more than nice to ease the transitional pains. Also would have been nice to talk to someone prior to understand the new location, so that we can accommodate our planning. As it went, you guys just dropped it on us and there was no discussion between then and now. We will work with the location assigned to us, of course, but this could have been managed a little more constructively/communicatively. My main problem is that the new location is COMPLETELY BARE - we were counting on having trees around our camp. We would prefer to keep the Wagon - would be good for us to have at least some structure in that case. Without any trees our hammock oasis of chill is not possible. But, we are looking forward to Burning Pig to find out more about the spot. If KiezBurn build is open to help us erect some structure as you just offered to Just Being, we would be thankful for that. Let's talk at Burning Pig. Thanks and love from Suesskiez.

CY

CJ Yetman Sat 28 Apr 2018 7:46PM

Thanks SuessKiez. As I've said in my reply to Henrik, I personally was not included in the private discussions you had with Site Planning, so I don't know the what/how/why of it, but I hear your frustration with it, and I will make sure we discuss it next time Area51 meets. I don't have any immediate ideas of how to resolve the lack of tree problem... though I do believe there are some trees on the South side of your location at the base of the hill. I will investigate that and take some pictures and report back to you after Burning Pig. Also, your original placement is just 20m North of your current location, and according to the "final" map, is not yet specifically assigned to anything. It is meant to be a quiet zone, but maybe we could talk to Site Planning about moving SuessKiez back to that location with a stipulation of keeping the sound system on the far South end, which would maybe not be so much different than having a sound system at your current location? I can't promise that, but I can advocate for that if you think that's a better solution for you. I also can't promise that kborg will be able to build anything for Kieze... I only suggest that as a potential way of resolving the issue... to get our minds in the how-can-we-fix-this mode, but if you have something specific in mind, I will also advocate for that.

CY

CJ Yetman Mon 30 Apr 2018 8:35AM

FYI, particulary @randypence and @waldo, we've had 4 new Kieze register in the past week.

W

waldo Mon 30 Apr 2018 5:15PM

cool, added them to the power sheet. Just waiting for Randy to put them on the map and then I can link in the power requirements. So cool!!!

RP

Randy Pence Wed 2 May 2018 1:36PM

yaeli, lemon, and bandana info is too incomplete to place with

CY

CJ Yetman Wed 2 May 2018 2:04PM

@randypence what info do you need from them?

RP

Randy Pence Wed 2 May 2018 7:42PM

essentials are how many people, power requests, etc.

CY

CJ Yetman Wed 2 May 2018 8:04PM

alright, I'll follow up with them

CY

CJ Yetman Wed 2 May 2018 8:11PM

@randypence all 3 of those Kieze put in their expected number of Kiez mates, and 2 of the 3 put in their power requirements... am I missing something?

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