Kiez Placement

You can use some of the space between the mesa and valley but you must also put tents in the valley. I would not use the concrete stage as your own, as it would create a 20m deep dancefloor, which will only look empty because there are only 700 total participants and several sound camps. Do something else with it and move the dancefloor eastwards

But this statement differs from the statement we planned on (that we can use the marked area). We need reliable information for our planning. Why we must place tents in the sound area if the space we marked would be enough for us?

because you might need to share it. My understanding was that it would be overflow for your kiez, not the entire camping area.

We wouldn´t have marked the area clearly and asked if we can use it for camping if we wouldn´t need it for camping ;) For our build team is pretty unmotivating now that they might need to reconsider plans although I told them we are safe with camping up there already in April. So what are you plans in that area? It´s not even big and we try to squeeze in as much as we can.

I am sorry Annette, but that area cannot be reserved completely for Underworld and will not be marked on the map. You will be able to put tents there, as Randy stated, but also Payamcakes wants to put some tents there. The Mesa itself not available for tents. As Randy also said: you probably will want to plan some tents within the valley itself. There is some overflow next to the valley, but not that much is available. I am aware this is not 100% satisfying and also that this poses an advantage to people that come earlier to put their tents in nicer places.

From a site planning perspective, we will not be micro-managing the little hills etc. where tenting is possible.

FYI: most camps at burnign man and Nowhere put their tents right next to their big sound stage.

Given the pains that süßkiez and drug sluts are having, I am concerned that Pyjamacakes may also need some tent space, as Waldo has written. I do not see the justification in only using the valley for public space. Every other kiez is having to balance out their public and private space design

Unless we camp on our dancefloor and shrink the planned offerings to guests dramatically, this does remain an issue. Our purpose as a camp is to delight and entertain, but if we have to stuff the area to the brink and camp back to back, we cannot deliver....... Camping "around" is a bit vague and undefined. Depends on paths/exits, and state of things after Freiland.The area is mostly uneven/hilly. I would feel much more positive if we could have a certain solution/mini fallback plan for at least a small amount of tents (8-10) to pitch nearby.

how about the ridge above the road south of you?

you know the site better Randy, what do you think, how many 2x2m tents can we place there?

@randypence During the site visit the Drug Sluts were camped up there. I started discussing with Calum about taking it for Suesskiez but it seems Drug Sluts ALSO have a space issue, because the shower block is going where their main space was going to be and they need to expand their camping site too. I also have no idea how many tents can fit up there, since I didnt measure that space for Suesskiez :<

The ridge is about 6m wide and 100m long from where wings of aya ends, but I cannot guarantee all of it is usable for tents.

I am sorry, but we cannot indicate on the map 100% where all the tents will go. Your main area is covered and that is about what we can do on this kind of terrain. I am aware this is not 100% satisfying and also that this poses an advantage to people that come earlier to put their tents in nicer places.

From a site planning perspective, we will not be micro-managing the little hills etc. where tenting is possible.

FYI: most camps at burnign man and Nowhere put their tents right next to their big sound stage.

I edited the thread on top to re-state the general principle: **
Consider the spot you are given on the map as where your core activities take place. **Tenting needs to be found person by person, tent by tent, either within that area, or just going around and spotting where one can put their tent that is not part of a Kiez's core area.

KBORG does not take responsibility for you causing a clash with your neighbors. Don't be an ass and go perimeter off hundreds of square meters for your tents that are outside of your core area.

Hey folks - It seems like there are some nice rolling hills in back of Suesskiez are a great place to camp... I even considered it to be further away from the noise at Burning Pig. I would 1) consider having some people tent back there who want to have a little more privacy; and/or 2) don't bring 35x2m tents... ; 3) mention to people that yes, those who come earlier will indeed get better camping spots (the more people there setting up at the same time on Wednesday, the easier to work out tent spacing, etc). I have a hard time not believing that there will be plenty of space in the end. There was last year, and this year the site is much much bigger. I understand that there aren't always solutions to make everyone 100% happy - I can promise that the team is working as hard as they can to accommodate 10,000 constantly moving factors.

thank you. Guess we will have to live with the options.

hey @waldo hey@randypence thank you for your support. @randypence could you please specify "rolling hills in back of Suesskiez"? To both: we are of course aware of the need to make ourselves as compact as possible, and do and will plan in this manner. However I am glad you can remain open to two ideas: 1) our allocated area cannot contain everything - I align fully with @waldo suggestion that it should be treated as our "core activity" area, both for guests and camps (plus the amount of tents that can possibly go in there). The 2) fact is that our spot is a bit of a dish - with sound being dramatically amplified by the slopes(we did a soundcheck with a bluetooth speaker and the effect was interesting to say the least!). So asking the more sensitive (older??? :p) camp members to stay permanently bathed in that level of sound is just cruel. thank you for all your hard work and support <3 alles wird gut <3

I totally understand if you do not want to tent in the major sound area. I will sleep right next to Süßkiez and will bring adequate ear-protection. Please welcome people that do want to tent in that area if you do not put your tents there. Tnx!

https://www.google.de/maps/@53.8324987,13.2399111,120m/data=!3m1!1e3 (copy entire url)
this is the ridge meant. Considering the noise would be made by your own kiez, the more sensitive members of your kiez will have to suck it up or camp elsewhere.

@randypence your link gives me a location on the main road down South?! @waldo you can desert Deine Mudda and sleep IN SüessKiez if you want we will take you in even if we have to put tents on top of each other ❤️ ;) @ both: I mentioned the sound as a secondary issue that is there and we cannot neglect. Our primary struggle is still just the space, but solutions will be found around and about. Our offerings will be awesome and we are looking forward to seeing you chilling with us <3

the ridge is right above it