Loomio
Wed 20 Jun 2018 12:58PM

Should we ask for public comment on proposal before voting?

GS Guido Stein Public Seen by 240

Guido would like to share the proposal from Jeff with the community in order to solicit feedback from the community. He believes that this will give the community some bye in and help to bring the conversation in the community into a forward planning process.

GS

Poll Created Wed 20 Jun 2018 1:00PM

Let's hold a public review period on the proposal. Closed Fri 22 Jun 2018 9:07PM

Outcome
by Guido Stein Fri 22 Jun 2018 9:09PM

Guido put a block on this due to the fact that we didn't ask in advance to open up document for public comment and it would take up too much time to clean up the document for public discourse. Time we need to get this decision made.

Guido believes opening this up to the public for review will get community buy in and perhaps some useful input that can make the event better.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 50.0% 3 DB JH RE
Abstain 16.7% 1 JG
Disagree 16.7% 1 MV
Block 16.7% 1 GS
Undecided 0% 0  

6 of 6 people have voted (100%)

JG

Jody Garnett
Abstain
Thu 21 Jun 2018 12:17AM

I like the idea of waiting a week to review the proposal and discussing on the foss4gna email list. The group making the proposal could of opened it for public reivew/feedback if they were interested, it is not our decision.

GS

Guido Stein
Block
Thu 21 Jun 2018 10:36AM

Because we never made this a clear part of the RFP to Jeff, I think it would take up too much time to ask him to change this now.

MV

Marc Vloemans
Disagree
Thu 21 Jun 2018 2:13PM

Still feel that this could open up Pandora's Box. While writing this: this is a first for Foss4g’s (not only NA). Transparency is OK, but trust in LOC will be diminished.

JH

Jim Hughes Wed 20 Jun 2018 3:38PM

Overall, I'm +0 on this at the moment. While I appreciate the idea of gathering community support, I think we may be opening up the proposal to unforeseen criticism.

Also, how will we position the proposal? Is it a done-deal and we are looking for improvements? Will there be a time limit on comments? What if someone creates an alternative proposal during this phase?

For 2019, I'd say that we are getting things back on track. For 2021, I'm all for reviewing the governance doc and having an open RFP process.

GS

Guido Stein Wed 20 Jun 2018 4:06PM

Valid points Jim, In answer to your questions, I suggest the following:

How will we position the proposal? Is it a done-deal and we are looking for improvements?

Dear community,

We are currently reviewing a proposal for FOSS4GNA 2019. We would like to share this publicly to get input from you regarding any concerns you feel we should be contemplating related to this proposal.

We will have a vote in a week on wether to accept this proposal. As described in previous emails the core committee is tasked with choosing the FOSS4GNA chair and there is no public process on how this is done as with the international event. Building a better process into the governance is something we plan to work on after this year is on track.

Will there be a time limit on comments?

Yes, one week

What if someone creates an alternative proposal during this phase?

That is great, and if we decide not to go with Jeff we will talk to them, otherwise that is not the issue we are dealing with today. ;)


Does this work for you?

JH

Jim Hughes Wed 20 Jun 2018 5:37PM

Yes with one modification. I'd clarify the 'we' in the second paragraph to be "The core committee will have a vote in a week on whether to accept this proposal."

(Additionally, this corrects the one typo I noticed.)

I'd suggest stating the end of the 'week', e.g., we'll take comments until July 1st or whatever.

GS

Guido Stein Wed 20 Jun 2018 5:58PM

Looks good to me. I will wait until this loomio expires or the last two members of the group vote.

-Guido

GS

Guido Stein Thu 21 Jun 2018 1:02AM

@jodygarnett valid point. Since we didn't explicitly tell Jeff we would be making this public, I think it makes sense for us to make sure he's ok with that before we open it up to the public.