Please introduce yourself.
I'm Bob Haugen, one of the programmers on Mikorizal Software. We love Loomio, so want to hold some discussions and maybe make some decisions here.
Wow, we have three whole people in this group! Maybe we should discuss something. Or at least, more introductions?
I'm Lynn Foster, I work with @bobhaugen on Mikorizal Software. Hi!
Hi I'm Stacco, a member of the P2P Foundation, and co-founder of Guerrilla Translation. I really respect and admire Bob and Lynn's work and their humanity and warmth. Glad to be here!
@staccotroncoso ! Yay! Thanks for joining in.
I have said this before, but Stacco is one of those people who makes everybody around him better.
I just got another request to join this group. First one in 8 months. And this group is not doing much.
In fact, most of the people I approved have not even introduced themselves and said what they were interested in discussing.
You could do that, if you haven't done so already. And then maybe I would start a fascinating discussion or two.
Referred here by Michel Bauwens because an interest in open source logistics. I am a retired geek at large, generalist, independent scholar. Not a coder but can speak the language and translate between engineers and users.
@timothyhitchcock - thanks for popping in here.I also remember our previous interesting discussion of Wikispeed over in https://www.loomio.org/d/OWgeBpVv/nrp-overview
Hi, I am Jon from Old Europe, flag-waving fan of Lynn and Bob.
We try to understand together for the common good how networked economics can be modeled into data streams. Something like this.
Hey @jonrichter - thank you very much! And we are rabid fans of you and TransforMap!
But what time is it there in Old Europe? Don't you ever sleep?
Where in EU? Yes, for the common good, this is an important task, modeling networked economies. What progress so far? What are the immediate challenges?
I'm Johnny from Sweden. I work in a cultural long-term project processing and communicating alternative ideas to economy and production. Our work in "TeaterK", as we call our theater, led me here. I've been following the work at Sensorica for about 2 years.
Hey Johnny from Sweden! Welcome!
I looked at TeaterK, unfortunately through the usual lame Chrome translation. Interesting combination of theater and social projects.
I particularly like Visutopia: "Theatre K has for years dedicated its activities to the issues of the future and the way to a sustainable society. We specifically devoted ourselves to the relationship between climate and environmental issues and how we manage our resources (financial system). We believe that there is now a need for concrete visions of how the economy should be organized in a sustainable way. A phenomenon of our time that have the potential to influence this relationship is the Open Source movement. Something that started as open source software, has now been further developed also for natural products. Open Source production at all stages is transparent, and drawings and designs freely shared."
Do you combine theater and social projects, or are they separate? I mean, do you consider your social projects as life-acting? Creating the world you want to live in as art, but not play-acting: as the real thing, so people can really live in it? (Did that make sense to you?)
Hi Bob and thank you!
We do it for real. One part of Visutopia is for actual creation of hardware for example. We are also involved in local food production.
2015-11-13 14:38 GMT+01:00 Bob Haugen (Loomio) :
I looked at TeaterK ( http://teaterk.nu/ ), unfortunately through the usual lame Chrome translation. Interesting combination of theater and social projects.
I particularly like Visutopia: “Theatre K has for years dedicated its activities to the issues of the future and the way to a sustainable society. We specifically devoted ourselves to the relationship between climate and environmental issues and how we manage our resources (financial system). We believe that there is now a need for concrete visions of how the economy should be organized in a sustainable way. A phenomenon of our time that have the potential to influence this relationship is the Open Source movement. Something that started as open source software, has now been further developed also for natural products. Open Source production at all stages is transparent, and drawings and designs freely shared.”
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We do it for real.
We do it for real.
Good. My kind of theater!
Today I got another request to join this very inactive Loomio group, so I thought, maybe I should say I visit Loomio regularly if anybody wants to discuss something in this group or others. I see a few people who joined here over in the Commons Transition group, which is more active.
@olek joined today, and may want to post an introduction here.
@lynnfoster and I are Mikorizal, and we got a lot going on these days. Not much of it in Loomio, but that might change, or we could tell stories, if anybody is interested. (Just checking the weather...)
Hello, i'm cybernetic interested in Beer "Viable System Model" - that is solid base for virtual distributed organization. As far as i thinked how to realise that type of organisation i understood that virtual distributed cooperative based organization must implement MOOCS as platform for free decentralized education. Then in 2011 i developed model for international complexity advanced research institute www.icari.org/demo . My experience for decentralized organization comes from Petri nets based project planning - "Cybersyn", "Sputnik-scalar" projects. As far as i know there was a project in Latvia called "Delta technology" , also in soviet union was project "Ogas" and the last one based upon blockchain - "DAO" - Distributed Autonomous Organization. My goal is to develop international cooperative distributed virtual platform with crowdbased governance and autonomous control. Need help with software programming.
Interesting stuff! I'll look deeper in to icari when I get time. A couple of years ago the P2P Foundation tried to start a 21st Century Cybersyn project, which never quite got anywhere, as far as I know. You can see a lot of their links at http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Mutual_Coordination
We use the Conversation for Action protocol from Cybersyn in our software and in the upcoming Value Flows project, as you can see here: https://www.valueflo.ws/introduction/cfa.html
You're welcome to participate in Value Flows, if you want, and it makes sense to you. Here's a good place to start: https://gitter.im/valueflows/welcome
@hadishamieh welcome. We haven't had much activity here in our Loomio group for a long time. Please introduce yourself and what you are interested in.
I saw a huge opportunity in the NRP to empower communities. I would like to eventually fork and simplify it with some permaculture aspects in there. I am a member of PraxEco.com community network. I am not sure if this is possible, but our vision is to have it as a mobile application that anyone can download. A summary of the App can be found here:
Are you guys still working on this? Could you provide me some guidance and support?
Thanks in advance!
Hadi, that's totally possible. I saw you in the Sensorica network, and we are not working on that version of the software anymore. NRP and its forks have moved on quite a lot from there.
Here's some history: the latest project is this one:
Make sure you look through the wiki:
It includes a project for a new UI which will end up being mobile-friendly, although it is not quite there yet:
So anyway, that might be what you want to fork. There are several people, including me and
@lynnfoster and people in Italy and Australia, working on the the upstream repo, which is where most of the work is going on:
And then the LearnDeep gang is a computer science college project in Milwaukee Wisconsin USA, and they will probably bend it in their own directions.
So, lots of fun to be had! We can provide guidance and support. Let us now what you need.
Also, depending on how brave or foolish you are, here is what I am thinking about as the next step in this adventure: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fNcmyzol72FctBbF3Nh8gLoRj6UbL9CnqLM2F7iuF2o/edit?usp=sharing
Bob, this is fantastic! Thank you very much for the detailed message. I skimmed through it now, but will check it in more details next week. The idea of introducing a bot and that communication strategy is genious! I will give my comments in details on the page next week as well.
It is true that I am an affiliate to Sensorica, and I've also seen you valuable contributions to some emails we exchanged (like the st louis resources). Thank you very much for those. PraxEco is a new movement that is separately governed from Sensorica. We share different values and our goal is to transition to an abundance self sufficient future through exploring the advantages of natural systems; starting with agriculture (Permaculture). In short, our economic model insists that all "active" participants get a fair share of the profit. This is why the forked NRP that we need is a bit simpler than the ones used by existing communities. We are currently drafting the model. All our work is transparent and available online (PraxEco.com). Nonetheless, I will send you more specific details of what we need for the PraxEco App next week.
It is a huge pleasure to connect with you. I will stay in touch. PS. I believe "foolishness" to be coinciding with creativity. We need more of it!
All the best,