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Mon 26 Jun 2017 7:02PM

Fiscal Sponsorship fees for Brussels Together ASBL

XD Xavier Damman Public Seen by 346

7 months ago we took the decision to take a 10% fiscal sponsorship fee (which is classic rate in the industry) https://www.loomio.org/d/ZSwXVMWL/commission-for-brusselstogether-on-the-money-raised-by-the-collectives

Since then, we started having more and more collectives that received money (CIN, Veganizer, BeCoWorking, Womer, ...)

To this date, this is how much each collective has contributed to the budget of BrusselsTogether so far:
civicinnovationnetwork €2.022
becoworking €30
womer €24
lajacqueline €19
veganizerbxl €6
reinventingbrussels €3
co-labs €3
refugeesgottalent €2

To that, we need to add direct donations to the BrusselsTogether collective (€6,585):
Xavier Damman: €5,085
Ticto €150
Crowdsourcing Week €150
Raphaël Krings €90
Marine Visart €80
George Kosmopoulos €80
Frederik Vincx €80
Alaric Bouvy €80
Sebastien Deletaille €70
Philippe Drouillon €70
Caroline DC €70
Laurent Hublet €70
Thomas Carton de Wiart €70
Sacha Waedemon €70
Anis Bedda €60
Antonin Léonard €50
Tarik Hennen 50
Vincent De Waele €50
John Jadot €40
Gautier Krings €20
Thomas Hermant €20
Tina Hendriks €10
Caroline Sedda €10
Antoinette Simonart €10
Maite Morren €10
Sébastien Deletaille €10
camille rouffiange €5
Larry Moffett €5
Axel Addington €5
Alexandra Saveljeva €5
Véronique Bockstal €5
Maxime Durand €5

CIN has contributed by far the most because they received a €20k grant from the Lunt Foundation (and since it was done through a wire, there was no commission to the open collective platform).

I think we should look at this budget like a participatory budget. Given that CIN has contributed the most, they should be the one who should decide how that money should to be used. Maybe someone can create a cobudget account and keep it in sync with each collective's contributions to BrusselsTogether?

I've heard that people think that 10% seems prohibitive. It's a bit of a chicken and an egg. Because the more we will be contributing, the less expensive it will be for each of us. That said, I don't think it's fair that CIN is the only one collective contributing that much.

So, multiple options:
- Keep it the same (10%)
- Reduce to 5% (in which case BrusselsTogether makes nothing for donations made by credit card via the platform open collective, since they already take 5% that was included in the 10%).
- Keep it the same but cap it (at €2k a year? That way we make sure that it's always cheaper for each collective to be on BrusselsTogether than to create their own silo/dedicated ASBL)
- Require each creator/organizer of a collective to be a member of BrusselsTogether (at €10/month): I don't think it's a bad idea because even for legal reasons it would be better for each of those administrators of collectives to be legal members of BrusselsTogether ASBL, maybe something that we could add no matter what.
- Move to a 1% monthly fee on the balance that each collective has (that would be a mechanism to also make sure that if a collective doesn't use the money it raises, it slowly goes back up to the level of the collective of the collectives to be redistributed)
- Other ideas?

Constraints:
- There is a 5% fee when a collective collects the money via credit card using the Open Collective platform. We were currently including that fee within the current 10%. This cost doesn't apply if the money is raised through wires (like it was the case for CIN)
- If the money is raised through wires, someone has to manually check the bank account and allocate the money to the right collective (that's work)

AB

Alaric Bouvy Tue 27 Jun 2017 7:49AM

Regarding the 10€/months requirement for collective creators I thought it was already the case... I think that's a fair condition to enjoy membership. In the same time, keep the 10% fee but cap it makes sense to me. I like also the cobudget idea, but since I'll not be available during the next 6 month, I can't volunteer, sorry :-(
The 1% monthly fee coupled with the mechanism would be more prohibitive to me, I would feel obliged to spend quickly the money raised and not be free to spend whenever I want. I don't like it.

J

JF Tue 27 Jun 2017 9:14PM

I also like the idea to ask for a 10€/month compensation. It would motivate creators of collectives to communicate around the tool and grow its community on open collective while giving a bit of revenue to the participatory budget. I think for the start it is the most sustainable way, both for the collectives and #BrusselsTogether.
As we grow, we should progressively go for a fee on donations, but 10% is prohibitive IMO.