Why the distinction between "Disagree" and "Block"?
The first time I used Loomio I was right away confused by the distinction between Disagree and Block when voting on "decisions".
If I support the proposal, I "Agree".
If I don't have an opinion, I "Abstain".
If I reject the proposal, I "Disagree".
Why the need for a "Block" decision? If I disagree, of course I want to block it, it's implied! If I find the need to detail my "disagree" I'll leave a comment. Breaking up the votes into two simillar choices seems counter-productive and counter-intuitive to me.
Poll Created Sun 19 Oct 2014 2:57PM
When voting a proposal, Loomio's default choices should be Yes, No, Abstain. Remove "Block" choice. Closed Wed 22 Oct 2014 6:37PM
"Block" is a fundamental tool for concensus decisions since it provides a way for participants to flag invalid decisions and "block" their acceptance. It's also the last resort for minorities to be heard.
Decisions are invalid and in need of "blocking" when they are wrong from the start - e.g. a decision that wouldn't solve things, or would make things worse, or is highly biased.
Voting choices should be objective and limited. When I take a decision (agree, disagree, block) I clearly have a reason and that's the only outcome I want.
If I think the proposal is invalid or nonsense, I'll flag the proposal for moderation. Therefore, "Block" is redudant and should be removed.
|Results||Option||% of points||Voters|
|Undecided||0%||876||KC G DB|
25 of 901 people have voted (2%)
Joop Kiefte (LaPingvino)
Sun 19 Oct 2014 3:22PM
Block is very important in my opinion. Loomio is about reconsidering with new information: disagree means that you don't like it, but you would agree reluctantly if all agree. Block means that it wouldn't solve things, or make things worse.
Sun 19 Oct 2014 4:08PM
Removeing "block" from loomio would be removing one of it's greatest strengths. There are always more than two positions to any argument, and providing fewer options leads to an inferior process.
Sun 19 Oct 2014 5:54PM
I think it's important to make a strong statement of you feel strongly about it.
I like the block feature. It is very, very rarely used in the groups I'm in, so when it is used we know we need to discuss more
Sun 19 Oct 2014 9:42PM
Block is a distinctive and should be retained (as here!) for strong negative. One has every opportunity 250 characters provide to articulate their position, however the vote is cast - including Block.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 12:57AM
Block is a key element to consensus decision making. It indicates that someone is not just unhappy with a proposal but is vehemently opposed to it. Removing this feature in Loomio would make the system of much less of an interest/use to me.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 5:04AM
When a single voice can always be heard, everyone has to think beyond the groupthink of the majority. Even if you never use a block, its very existence is essential. That said, groups can define for themselves what positions mean in their context.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 6:02AM
The existence of the block option is the strongest hint for new entrants that decision making in loomio is different from polling and that there is the different concept of consensus around of which many people are not aware of.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 6:23AM
Others have said it well - part of our process depends on the minority being heard and this is how loomio protects that.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 9:10AM
Block is a critical part of the Loomio approach and more significantly an underpinning of collaborative decision making. However, @Diogos comments raise a critical question about the need for moderation/facilitation if Block is an option.
Mon 20 Oct 2014 1:52PM
"Block" choice allows people involved in a community project to express their opposition when they think a "core value" is at stake. In my opinion this information is extremely useful and is one of the interests of the loom project.
Tue 21 Oct 2014 5:01PM
The tyranny of the majority destroys many groups. The block function helps prevent that for new actions. It opens the questions of whether there is a positive version of block (doesn't feel like it)
Poll Created Wed 22 Oct 2014 7:05PM
Allow the admin to configure custom positions for decisions Closed Fri 24 Oct 2014 6:46PM
As mentioned by Alanna Krause, this is already on the backlog
As Tree Bressen suggested, certain communities may want more than the 4 default positions (Agree, Disagree, Abstain, Block) for decisions. Therefore the Loomio Admin could change the names of those default positions or add more positions like "Strongly Agree/Disagree" or "Needs more research".
Maybe these custom positions should be mapped with one of the four default positions, e.g. the custom "Strongly Agree" would count as a default "Agree" or a "Needs more research" would count as a default "Block".
|Results||Option||% of points||Voters|
|Undecided||0%||892||SW G G C DB DMA|
8 of 900 people have voted (0%)
Wed 22 Oct 2014 10:11PM
I really like the idea of customising button labels (and lots of people have asked for it) - provided the UX is really good and doesn't get in the way of current core functionality
Thu 23 Oct 2014 8:05PM
This would be an interesting feature (in our groups block has the same weight as disagree. It's just a way for a user to show his/her strong disagreement but it doesn't block the proposal)
Thu 23 Oct 2014 11:29PM
This is possibly something that could be looked at down the line, but I think initially Loomio would be better off with clear, concise, well-defined elements rather than feature-creep on user choice.