Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:08PM

Loomio bugs, issues and feedback

RG Rob Guthrie Public Seen by 561

This is where you can report bugs within Loomio and see when they're fixed.


Rob Guthrie Sun 8 May 2022 9:16PM

Cool, thanks!


Fran67 Sun 8 May 2022 2:58PM

I saw it with Greenbeam, a add-on for Firefox allowing to see the third-party domains connected to a visited site through images, cookies etc. For instance, the image below, showing the link I saw to fonts.gstatic.com, will make a side triangle to zzz.zaclys.com:

Of course, every object from outside loomio.org will make such a “third-party site” triangle and a discussion can so become “dirty” even if the base code of Loomio is clean. But I didn't think fonts can be fetched this way. (Is it?)

Anyway, this is good news and also a good opportunity to ask the people at Framasoft to install a recent version.

For your information, they configure their 2.1.9 version of Loomio in order to avoid the link to the fonts of Google, but they have to repeat the operation after each restart.

Thanks a lot!


Rob Guthrie Sun 8 May 2022 9:08AM

How did you decide it was also the case at loomio.org?

Thanks for getting in touch, but this change has already been made. Loomio serves it's own fonts.

If Framavox update to the latest version, the problem will be resolved.


Fran67 Fri 6 May 2022 7:56PM

Hi there!

Somebody recently let me see (with Greenbeam ) that Framavox (French instance of Loomio — v2.1.9) had links with fonts⋅gstatic⋅com and fonts⋅googleapis⋅com.

After that, I realized that it was also (even more) the case at loomio.org.

This could become a serious issue. Certainly for the people concerned with the protection of their privacy, but also for legal reasons.

An example: “Website fined by German court for leaking visitor's IP address via Google Fonts”.

I find the functionalities of Loomio really useful (with your decision-making tools, that have no known equivalent), but I (and the group I belong to) frankly prefer a less performant tool than a better one, that allows a web giant to get information about me.

⇒ So, here comes at last my questions:
- Is there a easy way to get rid of these (quite possibly tracking) “services” on a particular instance?
- Have you got plans to replace these tools by your own code/fonts?

Thanks in advance for any information

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david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 11:23AM

cheers loomio. must not


timeline by writing entire post in h2.

personally...i really like using loomio. especially when u can see what people altered and when...


david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 1:41AM

aha...i remembered the save post hack...write what u want to write first then paste and post.



david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 1:39AM

oh...and i miss the searchable emoji...


david rayner Fri 23 Sep 2022 4:31AM

that persistent box is still irritating...even when i go back a page (alt Left arrow) it persists/

this is the only site i have ever encountered this within.

everything else is quite alright. keep up the good work.


david rayner Mon 14 Mar 2022 2:12AM

that did not end up being the last post...but that is the only one thing that i was giving a heads up about that i truly wish was different.

thanks for the replies.

Tasks is a good idea. i watched the whirly pool quite a few times, wondering what would happen...waiting for a chance to use it. next meeting...


Rob Guthrie Sun 13 Mar 2022 7:44PM



david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 12:32AM

and last but first in my list...the popup box that comes up for 'seen by xx' which is such a useful function (esp. for finding lurkers...) does not evaporate with Esc key or random click outside or in box, only a precise click on the quite small x in a circle. minor but irritating....

@Rob Guthrie i need to get out more...


david rayner Fri 23 Sep 2022 4:08AM

the search has such idiosyncracies...how is the rewrite going?


Rob Guthrie Sun 13 Mar 2022 7:43PM

oh I have a search rewrite in the works... found a great article on how to support that kind of thing.


david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 12:26AM

when one uses search box, it is working great....but adding just one space at end returns zero results.

does it need a reminder (but that may be messy...) written next to search,or in box, not to include spaces?

is the Loomio search boolean? (wow...that sounds like i really know what i am talking about.)


Rob Guthrie Sun 13 Mar 2022 7:42PM

Oh wow. That's more the mobile OS fault that loomio, however save draft is in the near roadmap, a customer is sponsoring the work.


david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 12:21AM

a colleague who uses L on her mobile (not sure what sort...sorry) noticed that it was timing her out when a call (might have been no matter how long...) arrived so she would lose what she was working on. is there a way round this?

any progress on a save post progress sort of notepad or something?


david rayner Mon 14 Mar 2022 2:12AM

hard question of the day....if i ran linux, would that problem go away? 🙊

no reply needed...bigflop are watching thru the nsa backdoors...


Rob Guthrie Sun 13 Mar 2022 7:41PM

dark mode is autodetected on boot, unless you change the setting manually, after that it's always manually set.


david rayner Sat 12 Mar 2022 12:15AM

noticed for a while...dark mode does not turn back on after logging back in until a refresh...

may just be my 8.1 pc...ff 97... as i delete them occasionally, is it a cookie thing?

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Rob Guthrie Mon 29 Nov 2021 11:10PM

Ok, wow, nice spotting. It will be fixed in the next release, which you can subscribe to via github.


Rob Guthrie Mon 29 Nov 2021 9:31PM

Hrrmm, that's odd. I'll look into it.


ALI Moussa Mon 29 Nov 2021 9:27AM

I'd say it's half solved :)

In the poll details page you can see all the voters but on the voting table, the voters who voted 'no' everywhere are still not visible. (tested with v2.11.6)


Rob Guthrie Sun 28 Nov 2021 8:32AM

Did that fix the issue?


ALI Moussa Fri 26 Nov 2021 7:28PM

Update done. Thanks !


Rob Guthrie Fri 26 Nov 2021 1:19PM

Please update your Loomio version, this should be fixed now.


ALI Moussa Fri 26 Nov 2021 11:21AM

Hello community. We have a "bug" on the display of the voters in the results of date poll. When a member votes 'no' everywhere it does not appear in the results so impossible to know who really voted. Here is a capture with 8 voters but only 7 appear on the detail. @Rob Guthrie


Shane Guthrie Thu 27 May 2021 9:49AM

Thanks so much, Rob. Good to see the reason; hope the long URL problem will be OK.

I used Loomio years ago in another role, another organisation. Great to see the improvements over time.


Rob Guthrie Wed 26 May 2021 9:56PM

Sorry about that. I used too much CSS trying to fix a problem where long URLS would blow the width of the page out.

Deploying a fix now, thanks for bringing this up.


Shane Guthrie Wed 26 May 2021 7:55AM

Thanks for a great service; it's helping flexible engagement for groups I volunteer with..


How do I remove hyphenation? I can't find anything in the manual or help search.

It seems to be on automatically, and it makes some strange choices.

In long lines of text across a large window, hyphenation impedes readability rather than improving it, as there is little need to maximise use of available space. I would never, for example, split a word between lines in an A4-sized letter. I might, on a rare occasion, split a word by using a hyphen if it's a narrow column in the style of a newspaper.

I see that help items and the user manual text is not hyphenated. Why would splitting words and hyphenation be applied to user text?

I wonder what the thoughts were behind hyphenation applied to user text in discussion threads, and how there might be an option to either prevent automatic hyphenation when creating text, or to turn it off when reading threads.


Rob Guthrie Fri 23 Apr 2021 9:10PM

Hi Adam,

We have, in our near term roadmap, a plan to build a proper "email to group" function, where your group will have an email address based on it's URL. So your-group@loomio.org can receive emails and turn them into threads.

I think you may be able to get your current plan working with the right forwarding rule in Gmail, but I don't know the correct way to achieve that.

Sorry, that's all I can do right now.



Adam Hardy Fri 23 Apr 2021 5:17PM

I discovered the problem. It's not Loomio, it's Gmail. Instead of forwarding the incoming emails from the account using the gmail email address, Gmail just sort of volleys the email across with no changes, so the forwarded email also seems to come direct from whoever email us, rather than our gmail account. So Loomio rightly ignores it.

Is there a work-around that I'm not thinking of here?

I thought I could make the thread public, so anyone can email onto it if they knew the Loomio reply email address, but then of course the thread would appear to the general public.


Adam Hardy Thu 22 Apr 2021 11:36AM

Hi Loomsters,

I am trying to set up gmail to forward incoming emails from our official email address to Loomio, in particular to get them to land in a thread. Setting up gmail to forward emails was easy, and then I added the email address into Loomio as an account in itself, so it could post.

I figured I'd used the reply-to email from a Loomio notification email on the thread, which worked when I sent an email to the thread from my email address, and then when I sent one from the gmail account I'm talking about, but then it just failed to arrive when I set it up as the forward destination.

This is the email address I'm using - maybe I should use a different set of tokens before the @ sign?


As I said though, it worked for the email address once for a direct mail, but not for a forwarded email. Is there maybe a spam filter on Loomio's incoming email component that might be silently rejecting it because it's forwarded?


david rayner Sat 10 Apr 2021 10:59AM

thanks for all that you and the team do...🙏


Rob Guthrie Fri 9 Apr 2021 11:05PM

Great. Thanks for the support. The best thing is to just report these problems to me, and I'll just keep doing my best to make sure they can't happen again.


Laurène - ZD Nice Fri 9 Apr 2021 5:44PM

So great ! Thank you very much Rob ! If we can do something to prevent this kind of bug, just let we know 👌


Rob Guthrie Tue 6 Apr 2021 2:01AM

ok, fixed. Sorry about this


Rob Guthrie Tue 6 Apr 2021 1:15AM

Hi @Laurène - ZD Nice I'm looking into this now. Thanks for the helpful info.


Laurène - ZD Nice Thu 1 Apr 2021 10:51PM

Hi guys, thank you for all you're doing to get Loomio better 😊

Like some of you, our group is victim of grey boxes (computer or smartphone, it's the same 👹

It's recurrent since last year despite refresh and refresh again, even after clearing temporary storage...

What is really strange is that during one second, while the page is loading, we can see the last comment appearing (last screenshot)

but personally i found a tip : add "/100" to the url to go to the 100th message of the thread for exemple. And after i go up to read the most recent post : a bit fastidious but it works 🙈 Or click on the time line on the right when there is one ➡️

Well, one of our thread is mainly affected (see pictures) : https://www.loomio.org/d/eQ4vhFHB/communication-relations-ext-rieures

@Rob Guthrie please help 🙏

However, how to prevent this kind of bug ? Can you know where it come from ?


david rayner Sun 4 Apr 2021 4:02AM

with latest FFox.


david rayner Tue 30 Mar 2021 10:31PM

another oddity...when linking from email to thread and then logging in...at my end, it requires another refresh in order to gain access to react/reply...

maybe this in the same class of error u speak of?

win 8.1 on a pc...


david rayner Wed 7 Apr 2021 11:29AM

aha adam and @Rob Guthrie ...i think i did similar steps at some stage in my intuitive thread-bothering/whack it with a hammer style amateur wrangling ... i did not have any idea but that is what i did and now the thread seems to be working fine. (just tested it again 47 secs ago.)

i did it other way around...un-nested then re-nested... i would un-nest to re-test but i need to go to b-ed


Adam Hardy Tue 6 Apr 2021 1:09PM

Yes it is still happening. Here's the URL - it's private but you have super privileges?


I discovered a work-around. If I tell Loomio to set the message ordering to nested and back again, my new message will appear :)


Rob Guthrie Tue 6 Apr 2021 10:06AM

Hi Adam, is this still happening for you? Post the URL of the thread (or private message it to me) and I'll look into it.


david rayner Tue 30 Mar 2021 8:14PM

you must have done it in your sleep as the thread i drew attention to is working fine now.

all posts are showing, no issues. 🤔

that is why i said thank u the next day...maybe it was greg...


Rob Guthrie Tue 30 Mar 2021 10:13AM

I've not addressed this yet! Tomorrow!


david rayner Tue 30 Mar 2021 9:31AM

i just told rob....and he fixed it by the next day... he is the one...and greg.

excuse me for using u as an excuse to deride touchscreens. (like i need one...)


Adam Hardy Tue 30 Mar 2021 9:26AM

No, I'm on a laptop and saw the fleeting glimpse. What I meant by work-
around was any way that might fix the thread - adding another message
maybe, or logging out and back in?


david rayner Tue 30 Mar 2021 9:16AM

you need to ask @Rob Guthrie about that last query...and include a link to the page that is giving u jip.(that is my sole technical term...)

i assumed it affects everyone but u asking the question makes me think i need ask other members...

i also realise that u must use a touchscreen as my F5(refresh) workaround to spot the post fleetingly would have no equivalent? i despise dislike touchscreens...for me.


Adam Hardy Tue 30 Mar 2021 8:59AM

Seeing this too! Or more to the point, it's what I'm not seeing 😆

Does it just affect me or does it affect everyone reading the thread? I'm wondering why it hides my message. I see other people's messages on the thread, although no-one has posted after me so maybe it's just the end message.

Is there a work-around that I can use to make it show my message?


david rayner Sun 28 Mar 2021 10:51AM

thank u.

Strange how it was just that one thread...all others seem to be working just fine but i will keep my eyes open...🗿


Rob Guthrie Fri 26 Mar 2021 10:15PM

Shocking. I'm sorry!

I'm working on the new thread page which will remove the whole class of errors.


david rayner Fri 26 Mar 2021 11:41AM

aha... @Rob Guthrie i came here to report a strange bug and... it is exactly what Xavi was experiencing in previous post.

i received email notification of a new comment from mar 24 from a member


it was not there ! but f5 shows it momentarily and after a few reviews i realised there was a post i had made on feb 10 that is not remaining either...last obvious post is from jan 22.

this may be part of why our recent organising of meetings has been...retrograde.

i cannot find the same happening in any other threads...hmmm...mercurial...


Rob Guthrie Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:39AM

Hi @Xavi - are you still having issues with Loomio, I think we've fixed what you raised.


Rob Guthrie Sat 7 Nov 2020 8:09PM

Yes! Tragic isn't it. I'll sort it today.


Xavi Sat 7 Nov 2020 7:28PM

Hi Rob thanks for your suggestion. It's funny because there is also a bug in the thread I created here on Help. When refreshing my screen with F5, I can see your comment for less than half a second and then it vanishes, very strange.


david rayner Wed 11 Nov 2020 7:10AM

thanks rob...i had meant to say that once the initial person completed the loop the next day then more people could be added.

all good...


Rob Guthrie Tue 10 Nov 2020 8:39AM

Hi David.

Re-try your add member process today. We've fixed a few things.

Yes, unfortunately the realtime collab editor has not graduated out of beta yet, it was this feature that was going to also provide the "you cant lose your work" feature. We've got another approach to try.

Please assume that my spelling errors are intentional. Bugs are not, however.


david rayner Sat 7 Nov 2020 11:04AM

@Rob Guthrie love new features...but the direct thread,once setup for one member, could (or would?) not find members for additional entry. the other person has not yet seen this thread.

and the other dayish...i found the 2.4.0 release notes and they said that our comments would no longer be lost...i tested this and could not find a situation where they were retained. what was i doing wrong? or is that out of date?

also spelling error on github release notes...Thread and Poll edit notificaitons

pedantry rains supreme!! 😀...🙊...🗿

ps i wasnt sure where else to send this heads up...


Rob Guthrie Sun 5 Jul 2020 9:44PM

I'm sorry you are having this experience!

I'm always shaving time off the load process. I don't have historical data, but I can tell you there has been a number of ways we've improved this recently and I will keep it up. Hopefully it will start to feel light and snappy for you soon.


Josef Davies-Coates Sat 4 Jul 2020 3:02PM

My main issue with Loomio 2.0 is that it is just too slow. It seems to take ages for it to load. At least in Firefox on Ubuntu and Android anyway.


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Jan 2021 9:54AM

thanks for raising this.. I'm slowly processing it in my head and trying to see if there is an easy way to do it.


Fran67 Thu 21 Jan 2021 8:20AM

@Rob Guthrie
When I say “anybody”, I mean “anybody of the group”, of course.


Fran67 Wed 20 Jan 2021 11:17AM

Hi Rob.

Thanks for your fast answer.

I agree: The "You have a new notification in your loomio group" version of email notifications would be fairly horrible. :wink:

But it should allow not to share content with companies we don't trust.

Maintainig a white or black list is not feasible and should probably not make sense, because my white list could have elements of your black list (or the inverse).

Simply, the administrator of a group could have the possibility to select the option “don't include any content of this group in notification mails”, so nobody could be responsible (at least by mistake) of leaking content to his (bad) mail provider.

And maybe Loomio could limit the sending of such empty messages at a rate of once a day?

As I write this, i think of another option that could do the job another way:

Let the second part of all the user's addresses visible to anybody (in my case, you could now that I'm at “…@dossogne.be”, but nothing more). This would allow anybody to say that an address is not O.K. even without knowing what the exact address is.

Maybe easier and… less horrible? :grinning:



Rob Guthrie Tue 19 Jan 2021 8:11PM

Hi Fran. Thanks for bringing this up - it sure is complicated eh. I think there is a lot of work to be done here, and the least of it is software development.

I'd be very interested to learn what other SASS businesses or hosts are doing to address this issue. Surely there must be some consensus building within blog posts from other products/orgs as they get to grips with this.

The "You have a new notification in your loomio group" version of email notifications would be fairly horrible..but could be done, but then one would need to maintain a list of bad hosts, or good hosts, or the user must enable it or.. it's just a rubbish job - and any work I do at this stage does not feel well informed enough to confidently address the problem.


Fran67 Tue 19 Jan 2021 9:14AM

Hi @robertguthrie ,

I hope I'm not busy in a wrong discussion, as version 2.0 is now an old one.

I'm a user of Framavox, an instance of Loomio presently running version 2.1.9.

I'm wondering if i'm the only one mentionning the problem explained here above.

I think it could be an issue for many users in the European Union : on july, 16th 2020, the Court of Justice of the European Union stated it was illegal to upload personal data of european citizens to services under U.S. jurisdiction.

If an organization runs or uses a trusted Loomio instance, everything is in place to offer the needed confidentiality. But if a single participant of a group uses a “wrong” mail service (e.g. Gmail, which EULA states Google reads the content of the mails and is operated by a U.S. corporation…), all messages posted in the group are exposed to inspection by people and companies that the other participants don't want to trust.

I can't know how much work this would be for you, but even the possibility to block all notifications by mail could be useful. (Though I think a neutral reminder, as proposed above, would be necessary to avoid that people just forget about checking their Loomio groups.)

At this time, the only possibility to avoid releasing content to Gmail, Hotmail, etc. is to ask the group members to use a trusted mail provider… and to trust them.

Thanks for your time and, again, for Loomio!


Fran67 Fri 3 Jul 2020 12:28PM

I'd say to keep it simple: simply allow the manager of a group or sub-group to choose for No Content At All In Any Mail Notification as an option. From there on, all email notifications would be limited to “Somebody mentioned you in a post” or “your are required to answer a poll in the group …”, but absolutely no content at all, in a way that Google (who's privacy policy says: “We will read your mails”) and other operators could not know what information is exchanged (or even about what people talk in this group).

If activists or people caring for their privacy are interested in such a functionality, I think even the title of a discussion or a poll could be too much. Same rationale for context and details (they will discover it by opening Loomio, where “Unread threads” is very useful).

The group name is the only information that could be necessary or useful to go and find the useful post or poll.

Allowing to choose if usernames and discussion title could be an advantage, because it allows to knows whether it's an important or urging matter, but this shouldn't make Loomio a too complicated thing to use. (Une usine à gaz, as we say in French :wink:)

Thanks for your attention and help.


Rob Guthrie Fri 3 Jul 2020 5:52AM

Hi Fran, yes this is possible.

What information would you say is necessary and what can you leave out?

Discussion title, poll title?

discussion context and details?

Group name?

User names?


Fran67 Thu 25 Jun 2020 12:30PM

Privacy in mail notifications… to others

The question of a member on our Framavox group could be interesting for some of Loomio's users.
In short:

How do I prevent other members of my groups to let Loomio send the content of my posts to their mailbox, hosted by companies I don't trust or I don't want to make the life easy.

It's true that you don't know which mail provider the others are using and that mail, by design, is less secure than a Loomio service.

I searched the documentation and I found how I can prevent notifications to my mailbox, but I think there is no mean to prevent the content of a (sub-)group to be sent to anybody.

Don't you think it could be a useful functionality to forbid the content to be integrated into the notification mails, as an option for a group or subgroup? One would receive something like “X mentioned you in the discussion …”, but not the post itself.
Do you think this could be feasible?

Thanks in advance!


Rob Guthrie Thu 28 May 2020 2:58AM

Thanks for the detailed report, I'll get onto it


john gieryn Thu 28 May 2020 2:46AM

Second time this week where I've had unexpected/ incorrect behavior from Send Poll modal's quick-select (Members of thread, Members of group)

In the most recent case, upon starting a poll, the modal incorrectly showed that there were only (5) members of group (there are 7); clicking invite to vote again, now I see (6) as depicted below along with a funny (-1) not yet invited. Detail: 6 of the 7 members are Admins of this subgroup.

The earlier case was also in a subgroup of Enspiral – Members. Whether I clicked "Undecided people" or "Members of Members", the number was short of the truth. (To reproduce, go to the most recent Membership proposal)


Aaron Wolf Mon 25 May 2020 12:40AM

I am using Firefox (latest) on Ubuntu 18.04 with KDE

there I had to hit tab to get the paperclip then shift-tab to come back to here. I had to use keyboard arrow keys for that, the mouse cursor couldn't do it.

EDIT: here's the recording, attached gif


Rob Guthrie Sun 24 May 2020 11:08PM

could you share a video about this problem Aaron? Also what browser and OS? (sorry if you've already shared this, I'm replying by email)


Aaron Wolf Sun 24 May 2020 10:59PM

I'm still having the problem where I can't use my mouse cursor to move the text cursor in a comment field! If I click on the comment field, the text loses focuses. I can't select text with the mouse cursor either. No interaction works with the mouse except for outside of the text entry field. The only way to get the field active again is to tab-through the items until it is active again.


Rob Guthrie Mon 8 Jun 2020 3:17AM

Hi Fran, sorry for my slow reply. Yes, we've seen this but are not yet able to bring back the save draft functionality we had in Loomio 1, sorry.


Fran67 Sun 24 May 2020 12:41PM

Reminder… (“Dealing with unposted comments”)


I don't know if this is necessary, but I didn't notice any reaction to my post in objet and it might have been posted on a wrong time. I'd be happy to know if you saw it already.

Thanks in advance !


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 May 2020 6:53AM

Right, mark as read used to be called dismiss, it does not actually mark stuff as read, maybe it should.. But it notes that until there is more stuff, you're not interested.

I think we've learned from this UX, that we want actual mark as read, plus a good mute until X feature.


john gieryn Wed 20 May 2020 2:41AM

Repost of a bug a nested under another bug for clarity (link to that post)

Bug = Unread messages keep reappearing even after I click read

To reproduce: Last week I used mark as read on a thread that had a lot of old comments that occurred before I joined group.

There was a new comment, and I went and read it.

Subsequently, I saw it was unread... I went in again and it brought me to the same new comment, but I also could see that there was "106 unread"

I've marked it as read and after hard refresh still appears read... I'll update here if I see anything else and try and get the console too.


john gieryn Thu 21 May 2020 9:46PM

@Rob Guthrie added the link to this one above ^


john gieryn Thu 14 May 2020 4:41AM

Another grey boxes thing in this old thread:

  • grey boxes past a certain date will not load (all comments previous to the one appeared have loaded)

  • also the polls i know are in there are not appearing (i guess they are grey boxes).

  • (you'll also notice the Timeline is broken a bit)


Rob Guthrie Wed 13 May 2020 7:54AM

fyi, always appreciate a URL in text form for stuff like this :)


john gieryn Wed 13 May 2020 5:26AM

Grey boxes not going away even after hard refresh @Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan (hope y'all's days been decent!)


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 May 2020 3:04AM

catching up on all the bugs now, one by one. this image preview issue is fixed


john gieryn Wed 13 May 2020 5:27AM

Unread reappeared on this thread although no new messages have appeared... not sure if it's related to the new bug i just posted in here as a separate comment


john gieryn Tue 12 May 2020 11:30PM


Re: the latter (unrelated?) bug:

  • Thread stayed read

    • I think the unread comments were just below where the the app dropped me upon entry to the thread, as when I clicked into the thread (no unreads) it dropped me in the middle again, and I happened to scroll down and see a couple yellow highlighted comments


Greg Kan Tue 12 May 2020 11:24PM

can you paste me the URL john ?


john gieryn Tue 12 May 2020 11:19PM

Unrelated? Smaller bug:

  • I can't seem to get the messages in this thread 'read'. When I click to the group, and then click back in, it doesn't take me to any specific message (just drops me somewhere randomly in the middle). I'm going to mark as read now and see what happens


john gieryn Tue 12 May 2020 11:14PM

@Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan just came upon this large oddity:


Greg Kan Wed 13 May 2020 7:20AM

Totally fair enough! We are always looking to make UX improvements and will look into this.


Fran67 Wed 13 May 2020 7:15AM

Thank you for your answer.

You're right! I found the “invite people to vote” and “…” buttons at the very bottom of the poll.

Maybe it could be a bit more ergonomic or user-friendly if these buttons were placed above the choices to vote for (a time poll can be long), but there is no bug.

I'll go get better eyes. :wink:


Greg Kan Tue 12 May 2020 11:37PM

Hi @Fran67

If you click the dots/ellipsis you should see the "Edit" option. The "Change vote" feature is actually completely different from editing the poll settings themselves, as you've probably observed!

Here's a screenshot:

You should also be seeing the "invite people to vote" button whether or not you have voted, as shown in the screenshot?

Let me know if you find anything else!


Fran67 Tue 12 May 2020 8:56PM

Can't edit the settings of a poll I just created…

… if I don't vote first.

This is confusing: it's not possible to invite people to vote, if you didn't do so at the end of the creation of the poll, nor to edit the settings of the poll if you made a mistake.

It seems that you have to make the button “change vote” appear (by voting) in order to get access to the other options.


john gieryn Mon 18 May 2020 12:00AM

Different bug(?)

So after the above things happened, I reopened Loomio and went into the group-specific email notifications and set them to "ignore"

I was surprised to receive an email notification 2 days ago (PERSON invited you to join THREAD). I checked and indeed my group email setting was still "ignore" as I had recently set it. Clicking into the thread and checking my thread-specific email setting, for some reason this is "normal" even though the thread appears to have started after I'd set group setting to "ignore"


john gieryn Mon 11 May 2020 10:09PM

Funny behavior after clicking 'email preferences' from a Loomio product email

  1. It brought me to my global notification settings (not too surprising although not the settings I wanted to change)

  2. I try to navigate to the group in question, and see a flat list of all my groups and subgroups mixed together

  3. Clicking on the group in question, I get the following 404 and funny URL

  1. The first time I hit the back button, still a 404 but the URL has changed to https://www.loomio.org/g/undefined

Semi-related note:

I always find it a little disconcerting to see the "LOG IN" on my top right, I feel less certain the changes I make will take affect


Fran67 Wed 6 May 2020 1:20PM

Dealing with unposted comments

Hello and thank you for Loomio!

I'm new here and after reading some threads, I hope I post this one in the right place.

I'm very distracted and it happens that I leave a comment unposted. With the previous version, I retrieved an unposted comment where I left it, even weeks or months later.

With the new version, unposted comments seem to disappear if I leave the page and then come back. (I guess my computer will hear ugly words, one day… :wink:)

I think people like me should get a message when they try to leave a page where a comment is left open/unposted. Is it possible?

(The former way of working was better, and should be ideal if there was a special reminder, like “Unpublished post(s)” in the left column, near “Recent threads” and “Unread threads”, for instance. But I suspect this is a lot more work.)
Thanks in advance!


Rob Guthrie Wed 6 May 2020 5:40AM


john gieryn Wed 6 May 2020 4:57AM

@Rob Guthrie funny behavior where I couldn't start a new thread (emailing you screencap), I proceeded to refresh, and then Loomio logged me out (unusual)... logging back in I managed to start the thread I'd intended


john gieryn Wed 6 May 2020 4:55AM

@Rob Guthrie all images in this thread are appearing broken to me


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:52PM

fixed now


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:32PM

deploying fix now


john gieryn Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:04PM

Poll page doesn't link to the parent thread when arriving from search


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:32PM

fix for this is now live, but it does not fix for previously mentioned people, only going forward


john gieryn Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:13PM

Makes sense.

One small simplification, perhaps, may serve:

  • When you 'invite people to vote' who are not members of your group, I reckon that (pop-up) language in the app could make it clear that you are also inviting them to be a guest of this thread

    • then who can vote (currently) = members of group + guests of thread

    • that future tickbox would toggle away from the former to who can vote = those invite to


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:06PM

Seems like it might be a good idea to write something like this into the app or help, soon. Who can vote? seems like useful in-app info.


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:05PM

And, in the coming months, we'll make a checkbox option, so that you can create a poll where ONLY people invited to the poll directly can vote in it.


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 10:04PM

To summarize:

Anyone who is a member of the poll's group, or a guest of the poll's discussion, or has been invited to the poll directly, can vote in a poll.

Inviting someone to a poll, within a discussion, gives that person access to vote in the poll, and comment in the discussion, but does not make them a group member.

We'll be making someone to show who are the participants in a discussion, and if they are guests or members, soon.

The poll page shows all the stances in a poll, which is also a list of everyone invited to the poll.


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 9:57PM

inviting someone to a poll, if it is part of a discussion, also gives that person guest access to the discussion


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 9:46PM

hrrmm no that's different.I would love to be pointed to an example of the problem you're talking about. (before a workaround is used)

A stance (ie: being invited to the poll), will always give you access to the poll because it's an access record in itself. (key part of the new architecture I've been talking about)


john gieryn Thu 30 Apr 2020 9:37PM

cool thanks I think this will also fix the other weird behavior i saw where we tried to do a stand-alone time poll, invited people to the poll, and then one user couldn't access it. Sukie, who was running it, fixed it by adding them as Members to the group.


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 9:33PM

yikes, fixing now


john gieryn Thu 30 Apr 2020 9:16PM

@mentioning someone in my parent group in the thread of a subgroup they do not belong to does not give them guest access to the thread, but still gives that user a notification
(My expectation was that @mention – in a context – functions the same as invite people)

^ mentioning my training account from this account => I get a mention notification but reach a "no permission" page:


Rob Guthrie Thu 30 Apr 2020 8:48PM

Thanks John, pushing up a fix now.


john gieryn Thu 30 Apr 2020 2:18AM

notifications.null have been appearing lately, not sure if they're to do with standalone polls (although the first example I show in this screencast is related to such) https://www.loom.com/share/c065ad02eb6340bca6298850b541d5ea @Rob Guthrie


Rob Guthrie Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:42PM

Hrmm. I cannot reproduce with Safari 13.0.5. Am deploying an update to Tiptap now.

What version of Safari do you have?


Rob Guthrie Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:40PM

Well, while you're there, if there is anything simple that would be a big improvement for the markdown editor, let me know.


Sam Toland Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:25AM

No worries - thanks for the attentiveness (I'm making do with the markdown editor at the moment - which does the job most of the time, even though I like the new editor TBH).


Rob Guthrie Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:39AM

I'll update it tomorrow and test with those browsers then. Sorry for the hassle!


Sam Toland Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:30AM

It appears in my primary group, but as you see on the vid - I am on this thread when I am reproducing it on the video. Haven't found a place I'm not finding it. (Only weird thing is that it was happening on and off, and now all the time - at least apparently).

I've just tested it again on a couple of browsers.

I've replicated it on Brave (Chromium Browser) + Safari - OSX High Sierra. But I've just tried Chrome - and the editor is working as expected.

If it was just Brave - I suppose it might be worth forgetting about (you can't make it bug-free across every conceivable browser) but given it is Safari - it might be worth persisting with.

Having said that - if I'm the first person to have this issue, it can't be very pervasive. It is a really noticeable issue when it occurs, that interferes with the normal use of Loomio, so others would have raised it by now.

Anything thanks for keeping me in the loop.


Rob Guthrie Sun 26 Apr 2020 7:59AM

Sorry, I've been both swamped with work, and kind of shocked about this.

I have no idea how you're seeing that behaviour. I can't reproduce it at all. I think I need more information.. Is it in an group, any thread, any browser? What if you are another user? Or are there some combos where it does or does not happen?

The editor is based on TipTap which is fairly well used, there is an update available. I'll update it tomorrow and let you know.


Sam Toland Sun 26 Apr 2020 7:55AM

any news? :)


Sam Toland Thu 23 Apr 2020 7:00PM

Ha! My bad - meant unlisted. I've changed it there, hope you can see it now.


Rob Guthrie Thu 23 Apr 2020 6:43PM

almost!!! alas, the video is private


Sam Toland Thu 23 Apr 2020 6:27PM


Rob Guthrie Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:40PM

Just to be clear. The text sizes (h1,h2,h3) only work for lines/paragraphs of text. Unlike bold they cannot be applied to selections of text.

I wonder if you could send me a video of what is happening, because I don't quite get it yet..


Sam Toland Thu 23 Apr 2020 12:20PM

I am replying to this comment from Safari.

I am having the same issue unfortunately :/ - I really hope I'm not doing something so stupid, that nobody has ever done it before!


Rob Guthrie Thu 23 Apr 2020 11:58AM

Wow. I've not seen that before. I'll look into it first thing tomorrow. In the meantime, if you have a moment, can you test another browser and let me know the results?


Sam Toland Thu 23 Apr 2020 11:27AM

Hi Folks - I'm having a persistent issue. Which doesn't always happen.

Issue: I am editing the context of a thread - a highlight text and click the button to change to a header. The whole context changes to header. I can't change it in isolation.

I've actually tried to add a header in this comment, and it changes everything to header. (I've left it in, for emphasis).

I'm using Brave (Chromium) browser - it may just be me, if it isn't I'm surprised someone else hasn't raised it.

Thanks in advance.


Rob Guthrie Thu 23 Apr 2020 12:11AM

it's content related, can't do anything about that. just google AI jitters. thanks anyway


john gieryn Wed 22 Apr 2020 11:11PM

Google is responding funny to proposal invitation thought you might wanna know @Rob Guthrie ill email you the screenshot


john gieryn Mon 20 Apr 2020 5:26AM

↓ or is that just my view as the poll starter?


Rob Guthrie
Thu 23 Apr 2020 12:11AM

this is fixed now. thanks


Poll Created Mon 20 Apr 2020 5:25AM

check shows results before you vote Closed Thu 23 Apr 2020 5:04AM


Results Option Voters
Yes 1 RG
No 0  
Undecided 1 JG

1 of 2 people have voted (50%)


john gieryn Mon 20 Apr 2020 3:31AM

'Reveal after close' poll didn't reveal voters after close (closed 23 March)
– just ping me if you want me to set a test and see if i can reproduce; not a big deal but would be cool to get the data of who was which vote on this particular vote depicted @Rob Guthrie


Greg Kan Mon 6 Jul 2020 10:47PM

Yeah I don't feel confident it's gone either. That's cool - will discuss with Rob further.


john gieryn Mon 6 Jul 2020 10:04PM

I have not managed to reproduce recently; I tried once some weeks back (I think with this same example). I feel scant on time, but part of me still wonders whether there's a latent bug here... not sure why it would have gotten fix I suppose is the reason for that hunch FWIW


Greg Kan Mon 6 Jul 2020 3:41AM

hey @John Gieryn, finally following up on this. unfortunately this example seems to actually work now, although i don't believe that means this is fixed. do you know if you can reproduce this still?


Rob Guthrie Wed 15 Apr 2020 9:27PM

Thanks for reporting, now that angular client is retired we can fix the underlying issues with tags. We'll look into it shortly.


john gieryn Wed 15 Apr 2020 9:18PM

Having a similar tags issue that I described to you some weeks/month back @Greg Kan – tag page not showing relevant threads:


Rob Guthrie Tue 14 Apr 2020 8:51AM

@John Gieryn also: auto linking urls when pasting is fixed


Rob Guthrie Sun 12 Apr 2020 5:16AM

@John Gieryn I'm not sure where your message is now, but I've got a fix for members can notify group issue you reported. Thanks. It'll be live shortly.


Rob Guthrie Sun 12 Apr 2020 4:38AM

ok fixed this now. thank you for the heads up, it was just happening to the poll authors vote


Rob Guthrie Sun 12 Apr 2020 2:33AM

I'll look into that right now


john gieryn Sun 12 Apr 2020 2:31AM


john gieryn Sun 12 Apr 2020 2:30AM

@Rob Guthrie I can't leave a reason with my vote (tried hard refresh; no dice). Hope you're having a nice holiday weekend


Rob Guthrie Thu 19 Mar 2020 12:12AM

oh dear! I'll investigate the quick fix today.. I was pretty sure this was e2e tested stuff.


john gieryn Thu 19 Mar 2020 12:06AM

When you invite someone without a Loomio account to a thread by inserting their email into invite to vote the user flow (any link they click in the email they're sent) brings them to a "You do not have permission to do this" screen @Michael Elwood-Smith @Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan


john gieryn Mon 16 Mar 2020 4:25AM

Tags bug, try pods in Enspiral

Threads that I have looked at this session will then appear


david rayner Sat 14 Mar 2020 11:21AM

has anyone else noticed that sometimes an @mention absolutely needs a space before the at,sometimes not. and it does not work within brackets...

is that a syntax aspect? (not a programmer so not sure if i have the right word...)


john gieryn Wed 11 Mar 2020 10:34PM

Bug: Members can notify everyone in group – if unticked – proposals and polls have confusing/buggy UX/UI... see here for best description/ visual

@Greg Kan


john gieryn Mon 9 Mar 2020 10:29PM

Not sure if this is intended or not, but when I post a hyperlink it does not autoformat as a hyperlink: https://twitter.com/nerkles/status/1236880604244905984


john gieryn Fri 6 Mar 2020 1:54AM

ff strange secondary scroll bar in modal (edit context) makes it very hard to scroll down through all of the copy that was there: https://www.loom.com/share/bb78cd66ddc34f3c8780918c282a67f4


Matthew Bartlett Mon 9 Mar 2020 11:13PM

I think that link needs people to log in — I think we used to have a shareable link that didn't need a login created


david rayner Fri 6 Mar 2020 11:15AM

i would put the standalone poll on the 'do not recusitate' table as, in my experience, any poll engenders discussion and cross -referencing becomes problematic.

or...sometimes less talk is better?🤔


Greg Kan Wed 4 Mar 2020 10:12AM

@Matthew Bartlett If you click the dropdown ellipsis you should see the "copy link" option. It will take someone to the poll on the thread page. The standalone poll page is out of commission at the moment but I believe we will resuscitate it!


Matthew Bartlett Tue 3 Mar 2020 1:55AM

Are poll-sharing links gone?


Greg Kan Mon 2 Mar 2020 9:50PM

deploying fix for this now @John Gieryn


john gieryn Mon 2 Mar 2020 8:25PM

Minor bug| FF When I navigate directly to a secret group I'm not a part of it appears that I am not logged in when in fact I am


Rob Guthrie Mon 17 Feb 2020 9:03PM

Hi @Marek Koys. We've had a look and are unable to reproduce the problem you're talking about. If it happens again, please let us know and pass along the poll or discussion url. (Email contact@loomio.org)


Marek Koys Mon 17 Feb 2020 6:16AM

Hi, I'm excited about how you are progressing with the Loomio 2.0 you have done amazing work so far! Nevertheless, we are having an issue with simple voting in our new group.

We set up a simple pool to explain basics functions to our new team members, and despite me making a vote, it didn't count. The yellow confirmation button "vote" doesn't respond. I tried to reload the page, and do it again, but still, no response. I wonder if you have an idea about what's wrong.



john gieryn Mon 17 Feb 2020 3:56AM

Thread items out of order

Items were moved into or from

I showed @Greg Kan


john gieryn Mon 17 Feb 2020 3:54AM

FF | Android

From Group page I cannot scroll through the various tabs (eg, Settings, Subgroups...) I only see the first three and they have a strange left-margin as if someone hit Tab (moving fast sry for lack of screenshot LMK if ya need it @Rob Guthrie )


john gieryn Sun 16 Feb 2020 11:09PM

Time poll voting bug

Potentially issues with add option and/or edit vote as well

I've shown this to @Greg Kan and invited him to the relevant thread (Summer Fest 2020 Crew group, "Meeting coordination")

Greg – here's the other quote from Carolyn who apparently voted "Yes" or "If-need-be" to at least two of the options

I filled it out but I must have had issues if you didn’t see it.


john gieryn Thu 13 Feb 2020 3:29AM

Open groups - membership appears to be visible to non-members (LMK if you need the group/url where I experienced this – I was in incognito, not logged in, in Firefox)


Greg Kan Mon 10 Feb 2020 3:42AM

@John Gieryn let me know if you see this again! i've seen it but couldn't reproduce it. we pushed some speculative code that hopefully fixes it. i haven't seen it again myself.


Rob Guthrie Sun 9 Feb 2020 10:18PM

It's being fixed now


john gieryn Sun 9 Feb 2020 10:17PM

Move thread feature randomly fires on arrival to thread (via in-app notification) and then cannot be closed:

Loom videos sent via email @Rob Guthrie


Rob Guthrie Wed 29 Jan 2020 7:06PM

I've solved the endless login now. Thank you


Joriam Philipe Wed 29 Jan 2020 3:48PM

Hey john and Rob!

Just an additional piece of info here — I just went to probe the subloomio and the settings were 'secret', so at least part of the mystery is solved. About the endless login thing, I'm not sure.


Rob Guthrie Tue 28 Jan 2020 8:21PM

Ok, please email the subgroup url and user details. thank you.


john gieryn Tue 28 Jan 2020 8:20PM

Hi @Rob Guthrie I think some of this is requires dev attention, and the bit that might be first-level I don't have time for until later

from [User: I'll email you]

When I click on the link to the Loomio subgroup, I am caught in an endless loop of sign-ins (although I am already signed in). I sign in again, and it asks again for me to sign-in. Maybe a Loomio 2.0 bug? Anyone else experiencing this too? If so, I am happy to report the bug. (edited) 


Greg Kan Tue 28 Jan 2020 9:44PM

hi there, that option shouldn't be there for proposals. proposals have preset options. a fix is being deployed that will mean this option does not show up for proposals. thank you!


Mathieu Matheod Tue 28 Jan 2020 6:51PM

When creating a proposal, we have the option to allow voters to create their own option, exept it have no effect on proposal, only on poll (exept counting poll).


Rob Guthrie Mon 27 Jan 2020 11:54PM

Cool, thank you, just what I need, I have another thread renderer in the works for this, I think there is just a little work to do to enable 1000+ scale, so this is the right place to fix things


Hugi Ásgeirsson Mon 27 Jan 2020 11:52PM

This is not a bug report but a benchmark. I present to you the 214 replies long Membership prices 2020 from the Borderland Loomio. It's a pretty good place to go for testing how the 2.0 client behaves with huge threads. It's also one of the messier advice processes we've had, so it's also good research material for process geeks.


Rob Guthrie Fri 24 Jan 2020 8:18PM

I'm pretty sure this was due to a network error upstream. Phew.


john gieryn Fri 24 Jan 2020 5:56AM

A bunch of accounts appear to be lacking their profile photos @Rob Guthrie - they are not showing initials, either, as you can probably see from this thread (but here's screenshot anyways)


Greg Kan Mon 2 Mar 2020 10:07PM

@david rayner a rather delayed response but you are now able to re-open closed threads if you're an admin!


david rayner Wed 22 Jan 2020 8:29AM

i had neglected to say that the closed thread was closed to see if closing meant something new and from experience of my pool group,i expected (nay....assumed!) to be able to open it again if not. (but i am an admin...hence the question when i could not.)

i have ruminated in the past as to whether it was a good idea or not for anybody to just make a conversation go away then i experienced a valuable but mildly uncomfortable convo being goneified in our group as optimal for the deleter but not for the group...hmmm...


Rob Guthrie Wed 22 Jan 2020 5:43AM

No, that's not what we intended. Would you expect that you need to be the author or group admin to close or reopen a thread?

Also, if anyone can edit the context (which is a great setting IMO), then should anyone be able to close/reopen it?


david rayner Wed 22 Jan 2020 3:31AM

is it intentional that anyone viewing can close a thread but only admin(or is it only members?) for that group can reopen?

eg https://www.loomio.org/d/XKgxepJN/how-do-i-logout-


Matthew Bartlett Tue 21 Jan 2020 12:52AM

Now that I've restarted my browser; sign-out works. Probably was on older version. Thanks RG


Rob Guthrie Tue 21 Jan 2020 12:46AM

Hrrm.. thanks for reporting. We did have sign out issues last week but I thought I'd solved them, can you screenshot your cookies for me?


Matthew Bartlett Tue 21 Jan 2020 12:43AM

I can't sign out. When I click 'Sign out', the page reloads to loomio.org/dashboard. No error in console.


Rob Guthrie Mon 6 Jan 2020 6:56PM

testing replies, unrelated to original message


Greg Kan Sun 5 Jan 2020 11:25PM

Option for withholding poll results entirely (i.e. hiding votes as well as voters' identities), i guess prior to the user voting?


Eduard Kurganskyi Fri 27 Dec 2019 8:20PM

You're right. This is problem of Safari (13.0). All options are visible in Chrome.


Rob Guthrie Fri 27 Dec 2019 8:12PM

Here's what I see, what browser are you on @Eduard Kurganskyi ?


Eduard Kurganskyi Fri 27 Dec 2019 11:41AM

The English version has the same problem. Creating tables is not available.


Eduard Kurganskyi Fri 27 Dec 2019 11:37AM

In the localized version of Loomio, some options for formatting text are not available.


Aaron Wolf Thu 26 Dec 2019 1:36AM

It wasn't easy to find if this is reported yet, but

When I click with my (mouse) cursor to move the text-cursor to a different part of the text when posting, I end up with the field no longer active. I can't type at all. I can only get back to the field by using my keyboard tab key to cycle around and get the field to be active again.

I could test other browsers. I'm in Firefox with various privacy plugins and things. But I have never experienced this anywhere else on any other website.


john gieryn Mon 23 Dec 2019 8:27PM

Weird unread behaviour; I just went into the thread "PODS CHECK-IN" and scrolled around to make sure all was 'unread'. I checked and indeed it disappeared from my Unread Threads (etc.).

Moments later, it was back, complete with yellow bar:

I've gone through and tried to clear the thing while screen capturing; have shared by email.

Mark read may have cleared it permanently this time; will report back if not. FWIW: I get a NotFoundError: Node was not found when I hit Mark read.


Greg Kan Sun 5 Jan 2020 11:21PM

A customer has also reported the behaviour regarding invitations to subgroups as 'unintuitive'


Rob Guthrie Mon 23 Dec 2019 8:52AM

Thanks for documenting this. I'm aware of this behaviour and it's actually how it's intended. The unintended part is the "auto accept" of membership (as you put it). Yes, we can't really change this until 1.0 is retired. Great to have it noted in here.


john gieryn Mon 23 Dec 2019 4:11AM

Similar to above, when I invite people to more than one subgroup at a time from a subgroup:

the invited user will auto-accept the invitation to the subgroup from which they were invited, but have to accept-by-email to access the other ones

@Rob Guthrie still not sure if this is too edge-case to be priority before 1.0 deprecation but thought I'd make you aware.


john gieryn Mon 23 Dec 2019 4:07AM

Invite people (from subgroup)

Interesting behaviour when I invite someone to a group via a Subgroups's Members' tab (ticking the parent group's box and/or other subgroups')... it may be that the below behaviors are best addressed once 1.0 can be deprecated but thought I'd document...

It seems that – unlike invitation from the parent group's Members tab – this kind of invitation requires the user to accept via email.

The member does not appear as "invited" in any other subgroups' Members tab except for the subgroup from which they were invited.

If invited user doesn't accept from email, they will start seeing activity in Recent threads (maybe Unread too?) but nothing in the navbar... there's currently no notification for being invited to group, as @Greg Kan and I have chatted about.

Navigating to a thread (or notification eg @mention) of the subgroup, the parent group then appears in the navbar with just the one subgroup I was invited from (and sometimes a public group)

This seemed to accept the invitation for the parent group, but I still could not see the other subgroups I'd been invited to.

Navigating to one of the subgroups I'd been invited to, there wasn't an option to Join. I had to go back to my email and hit Accept.


Greg Kan Tue 17 Dec 2019 1:19AM

weird!! thank you, noted


Joriam Philipe Thu 12 Dec 2019 5:06PM

Notification history bug!


Rob Guthrie Thu 12 Dec 2019 8:56PM

Grey oblong is the placeholder for something that is loading. For me, they load within 3 seconds, 100% of the time. usually faster & often before they're on screen.

We have had a problem in the past where an ad blocker updated it's banlist to include '/events' which is a word I use within the loomio api, and so they appeared grey because the requests were blocked by the ad blocker - but I think that was an error they fixed within 24 hours.

My current confidence in the thread page is set to 'quite high', so it's likely to be an issue with a browser extension or your internet connection dropping some requests.

(edit: however it is curious it only happened on this thread. that I cannot explain)


david rayner Thu 12 Dec 2019 7:34PM

and now i can see them all...strange? the big bottom lip can take a day or two to work...


Rob Guthrie Thu 12 Dec 2019 5:28PM

Can I please see a screenshot?


david rayner Thu 12 Dec 2019 5:56AM

still grey...was giving me sorta novembver but now...aug 5. only this thread...🙏


david rayner Wed 11 Dec 2019 9:32AM

and now that last comment is grey too...(big bottom lip emoji)


david rayner Wed 11 Dec 2019 9:30AM

weird bug....i cannot see any posts since aug 5(all grey bars) but only in this particular thread!

everything else seems to be working just fine...

feedback from our group about 2.0 is positive.(that means the doohickey device users are happy...)📱

still keen for a searchable iconji table but in no hurry...(going to bed emoji)


Greg Kan Tue 17 Dec 2019 4:25AM

fixed in 2.0.93


Greg Kan Tue 17 Dec 2019 1:18AM

fixing this and other inconsistencies among the vote forms


john gieryn Tue 10 Dec 2019 4:59AM

Anonymous allocate poll does not let participant's know that their votes will be anonymous:


Greg Kan Tue 17 Dec 2019 4:26AM

will wait on @Rob Guthrie to confirm which term he wants to go with


john gieryn Tue 10 Dec 2019 4:42AM

When I start a count Loomio tells me I have "started a check"

PS, aside, are we switching Allocate to something else? All good no rush and I'm not partial, but do please ping me when ya do :) (or just update help)


Rob Guthrie Tue 10 Dec 2019 4:15AM

ok thanks, I've watched the share now. really helpful we'll address this tomorrow. Cheers


Rob Guthrie Tue 10 Dec 2019 4:14AM

are these attachments from loomio1?


john gieryn Tue 10 Dec 2019 4:13AM

FF | Mac OS Can't remove image-attachments from context (sent Loom to your email Rob)


Rob Guthrie Sun 8 Dec 2019 9:36PM

We have not heard any feedback from customers that the trial is unclear, so I'm going to wait for more input on that one.

I agree about the features page, our intention is that we convert the "What's new in Loomio 2.0" into a features page .


Marco Giustini Sun 8 Dec 2019 7:36AM

@Rob Guthrie I wish to propose some improvements for a better usability on the home page. It's unclear that the group you start is not free, but is a time limited trial. You have to add more explanations. First I propose to add a "Features" link to a page on the top-right, between "Blog" and "Help" links. On the "Features" page you need to explain syntetically the Loomio features, already explained in the "Help" page with an explanation of different features of different plans. Second I propose to add a subtitle to the button linked to /start_group and to the text "Start a group for free" with this text: "Try a Loomio 14 days' free trial and then update to one of our paid plans" with link to "Prices" page.


Greg Kan Wed 4 Dec 2019 2:22AM



Greg Kan Wed 4 Dec 2019 1:36AM

this is an issue with our text editor and an upgrade with a fix is incoming. hopefully i can deploy this today


john gieryn Tue 3 Dec 2019 4:38AM

no apparent way to merge cells in table FF | OS X


john gieryn Tue 3 Dec 2019 4:27AM

initials display strangely (stacked) in reply:


john gieryn Tue 3 Dec 2019 4:41AM

not to mention @Rob Guthrie 's genius deep problem solving 🧠🧠🧠🎊

PS. feel better soon matey!


john gieryn Tue 3 Dec 2019 4:39AM

Greg on fire 🔥🔥🔥🚀


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 3:21AM

recent fixes and updates:

  • fixed group attachments (from comments and group description) not showing up in files panel

  • removed mute/unmute thread actions

  • fixed outcome not updating after editing

  • fixed broken notification links involving memberships

  • fixed pin thread modal missing helptext

  • made user profile page look less offensive

  • fixed broken group links on user profile page


john gieryn Wed 4 Dec 2019 3:55AM

i get logged out if I try to use my google photo period from incognito window

from FF (logged in, non-incognito) | OS X
I don't have any problems


john gieryn Wed 4 Dec 2019 3:49AM

More bug in this area

  • Retried the process with one variation I mentioned above: logged into google then tried to Sign in with Google
    and additional variation signing up from link inviting me to vote on a poll

    • Got same result, looping behavior, my pre-populated email address stays in the form "or, enter your email"

So I logged in by email and encountered related bug #2:

  1. Clicked the "get photo from Google account"

  2. Loomio reloaded back to the Sign in page (without my email pre-populated)

@Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan


john gieryn Wed 4 Dec 2019 3:38AM

yep same issue FF (incognito window) | OS X

  1. I click sign in by Google

  2. Prompted to log into Google and I log into account (Note: this account email has a Loomio profile, but set up to log in with password)

  3. Loomio returns me to the Sign in modal

let me know if you need to test other cases such as 1.) already signed into Google, and 2.) trying to sign up with an google account where the @gmail.com email is not already associated to a Loomio account


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 9:35PM

hey @John Gieryn , weirdly this is all working for me today, both signing in to an existing account with google, and signing up to a new account with google. can you try again?


john gieryn Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:24AM

Bug when I try to sign up with a Google account:

  1. I click sign up by Google

  2. I choose a Google account that doesn't have a Loomio user account

  3. I get a 400

  4. Afterwards, if I try to click Sign in with Google the page reloads and shows me the sign in modal again

@Rob Guthrie I spoke to Greg about this in-person FWIW


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:00AM

is there meant to be an in-app notification when a user has been invited to a group? currently it doesn't show up, and is of type "groupAnnounced" rather than "userAddedToGroup"


Rob Guthrie Tue 3 Dec 2019 12:54AM

this is currently the intended behaviour


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 12:50AM

you see groups you've been invited to (and are able to participate in them) despite not having accepted the invitation


Greg Kan Mon 2 Dec 2019 10:36PM

previewing announcement emails is broken


Greg Kan Mon 2 Dec 2019 2:50AM

fixed in 2.0.48 (incoming)


Laurène - ZD Nice Sun 8 Dec 2019 10:26PM

YESSS so great ! It's ok now for Safari browser 👏 thank you guy's ! 😘


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 8:04PM

hi @Laurène Ghiglia - ZD Nice , the same fix has now been applied to safari!


Rob Guthrie Tue 3 Dec 2019 5:57PM

Oh, that's news to us. Thanks for saying!


Laurène - ZD Nice Tue 3 Dec 2019 3:57PM

in fact I'm working on Safari 😉 so the problem of making things twice is still there. But ok when I work on firefox it appears below 👍 good job ! Let's do the same for safari ? 😆


Greg Kan Mon 2 Dec 2019 3:37AM

hi @Laurène Ghiglia - ZD Nice, you can now find the bold, italicize, underline and strikethrough commands on the menu below, instead of the floating menu, for Firefox (as the floating menu seems to be broken on Firefox). please refresh the page if you don't see this change!


Rob Guthrie Sun 1 Dec 2019 11:52PM

Thank you for the detailed report, Laurène. Very helpful!

We notice that the problem is only happening on Firefox browsers. We hope to fix this as soon as we can and will update here as we do.


Laurène - ZD Nice Sun 1 Dec 2019 9:58PM

Hi every one. Sorry if my english is not so good, I do my best (I'm from France).

Thank you @Michael Elwood-Smith to invite me to share my feedback here 🤗

Today I wanted to share some experience with italic/blod button. I've already search in the discussion and find a comment of @Joriam Philipe from juillet 24, on the same problem. So I made a screen video capture 😎

In fact, each time i want to apply the italic or bold effect I need to do twice to obtain the result. It's the same when I want to add a link :

  • I underline the text I want to modify, I click the icon and nothing happens 😟

  • So I try to find the toolbox by moving the mouse over the underlined text, but never reappears, unless I click right on the underlined text 🤔

  • Then I do the manip an other time... underline my text to modify... click the icon... AND oh miracle : then it works ! 😆

Is it possible to fix this little bug please, in the goal to make the manip once ? and also maybe to have the toolbox always appearing (for exemple with emoticon et others buttons below) because like that it is not very intuitive I think 😉


Greg Kan Sun 1 Dec 2019 8:51PM

mute/unmute actions removed in 2.0.46


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 10:03PM

Still an option from Unread and Recent threads page/ 'thread preview'


Rob Guthrie Thu 28 Nov 2019 5:02AM

oh.. I thought we'd removed the Mute action actually.


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 5:01AM


The only reason I can think of this being a slight priority is that if I accidentally mute the wrong thread then I have to go try and figure out which group page it's related to


Rob Guthrie Thu 28 Nov 2019 4:58AM

yea, it's gone. The intention is to show "subscribed" threads in the interface shortly. Are you saying there are muted threads you're no longer able to access?


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 4:56AM

How do I see what threads I have muted? No more mute page?


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:10AM

fixed broken notification links involving membership status/role


Greg Kan Sun 1 Dec 2019 8:52PM

can confirm that the notification's link for admin role is broken


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:56AM

Clicking the notification "[Name] made you an admin of [Group]" gives me an error:

We were unable to find that. It may have been deleted or moved.

At the moment, I don't see the group that I was invited to... now going into my email I see there's the email inviting me to be part of the group but I did not receive a notification of this within the app

Will refresh and try again, then will click "accept via email" and then try again if that didn't work...


Greg Kan Mon 2 Dec 2019 8:40PM



Rob Guthrie Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:53AM

no, they should all appear there, thanks for the report


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:51AM

Nor do files attached to comments but I have an inkling that that was intentional (maybe the former was as well?0


john gieryn Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:51AM

Files attached to group context do not appear in loomio.org/group/files


Greg Kan Tue 26 Nov 2019 3:04AM



Rob Guthrie Mon 25 Nov 2019 12:46AM

Via Charley Davenport: Deleting the comment, it seemed to work with the black notification that it had been deleted. But then I had to refresh the screen for it to disappear off the conversation.


john gieryn Sun 24 Nov 2019 10:26PM

👌 FWIW you'll see followup from me on an email/ customer thread - I want to further gauge the need, or lack thereof, of company just getting going on Loomio (200 person business moving to teal)


Rob Guthrie Sun 24 Nov 2019 10:11PM

yea, I'm eventually moving towards only having group privacy, so all threads in a group have the same privacy. otherwise it's too complex for users.


john gieryn Sun 24 Nov 2019 10:01PM

Is there no longer the ability to have open threads in a closed group? @Rob Guthrie


Greg Kan Tue 26 Nov 2019 3:05AM

need to think about consumption of 'normal' youtube links and conversion to embed link


Michael Sun 24 Nov 2019 2:49AM

Problem with embedding a video. I tried both a Loom link and a Youtube link.


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 1:48AM

@Strypey @Rob Guthrie fix for broken notification links (to do with invitations) incoming in 2.0.54


Danyl Strype Wed 27 Nov 2019 6:23PM

The email notification had the correct URL.


Danyl Strype Wed 27 Nov 2019 6:21PM

Is this url from a notification in-app or via email?

From clicking on the bell icon in the app.

just encountered this bug. Thanks for reporting it.

De nada. Keep up the great bug squashing work :)


Rob Guthrie Tue 26 Nov 2019 3:52AM

I just encountered this bug. Thanks for reporting it.


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Nov 2019 11:49AM

Is this url from a notification in-app or via email?


Danyl Strype Thu 21 Nov 2019 11:32AM

One issue I've come across is that I got a notification that my application to join a group was approved, but when I click on it, it doesn't take me to the group home page. The URL it points at is:

FYI I'm currently using 393 on my 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 (Trisquel 8.0 distribution), in Firefox 68.0.2 (ABrowser distribution).


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Nov 2019 7:40PM

Thanks for explaining. This might take a couple of days to resolve, but it's great to get it identified. Thanks


Matthew Bartlett Thu 21 Nov 2019 7:39PM

In this case it's after the fact — the important poll has closed, and I'm just want to know who on the board didn't participate (not re-invite them now as it's too late)


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Nov 2019 4:15AM

If you invite people, then there is an audience preset for people who have not voted.

How does that work for you?


Matthew Bartlett Thu 21 Nov 2019 1:52AM

I can't tell who hasn't yet voted on an open poll


Rob Guthrie Tue 26 Nov 2019 3:13AM



Rob Guthrie Wed 20 Nov 2019 12:26AM

Via @Malcolm Colman-Shearer

Just had a funny thing with a comment I was drafting up in Enspiral's Loomio then I scrolled down screen and when I came back... it was gone! /shrug 


Greg Kan Tue 19 Nov 2019 10:04PM

Hi @Xavi , we no longer show this information, but instead we have a "Seen by" feature which details who has viewed a thread. You can access this by clicking the "Seen by X" below the discussion title:


Xavi Tue 19 Nov 2019 1:37PM

List of members : how can I see how long ago each member did log in last time? It was possible in previous version. Thanks!


Danyl Strype Tue 19 Nov 2019 5:51AM

Today, I found that clicking the 'post' button in the comment editor produced no obvious result. When I clicked it the second time, the expected change in UI occurred, but then I noticed I had submitted the same comment twice. I've tried to delete the duplicates whenever this has happened but there may be places I didn't notice the problem and my comments appear twice.

Further experimentation with starting a new threads reveals a similar thing happening. The new thread is created when the relevant button is clicked, but the pop-up doesn't disappear. I clicked again and it still didn't disappear, but I could see the thread list in the background, and I noticed that my new thread had been created twice. In the end I had the close the pop-up manually and delete the duplicate thread.


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 9:21PM

not incomplete but the link as broken - fixed in 363


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 8:27PM

export poll functionality incomplete


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 8:20PM

embed/inline image button for text editor?


Rob Guthrie Tue 26 Nov 2019 3:15AM

does not happen for greg or I on safari mobile


Sukie Conley Mon 18 Nov 2019 10:02PM

Not sure how to check... the most recent ios update one? I'm on an iphone 8


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 9:22PM

@Sukie Conley can i ask what version of safari you're on?


Sukie Conley Mon 18 Nov 2019 7:45AM



Sukie Conley Mon 18 Nov 2019 7:43AM



john gieryn Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:41AM

^ @Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan not as priority as the one above (one I'm replying to) but -- unrelated bug -- weird to copy an image, paste it and get two attachments in addition to the in-line


john gieryn Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:40AM

at least I'm 90% sure it's Chrome not Safari (checking back... cc @Sukie Conley )


john gieryn Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:39AM

Safari on iOS Can't type as the keyboard that pops up exceeds the window


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 3:08AM


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 3:02AM

N.B. this is true of any of the actions that show up in the menu bubble after highlighting some text (only on FF)


john gieryn Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:37AM

FF on Mac OS X First attempt to link something (or make it bold by clicking) fails; second time works fine though. To reproduce:

  1. Highlight a bit of text in a draft

  2. Click on either the link icon or Bold icon that pops up near the highlighted text


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:34AM

fixed in 362


Greg Kan Mon 18 Nov 2019 2:18AM

thread nav does not update when there are new events until refreshed; also does not update when order changes (newest first/oldest first)


Greg Kan Wed 27 Nov 2019 11:51PM

@exstral found the pesky bug. fixed now


Rob Guthrie Fri 22 Nov 2019 7:21PM

and we just had another report of this issue. I'll look into it harder!


exstral Fri 22 Nov 2019 4:59PM

So I've disabled the extension I use, Privacy Badger, and the built in tracking protection for Firefox. Saving a new profile picture is still broken.


Rob Guthrie Wed 20 Nov 2019 11:07PM

We store uploads to amazon s3, maybe you're blocking that? Please do confirm if disabling your blocker fixes the issue.

We've made significant improvements to the thread code over the last 2 days, and i think that even this thread is much better to use.


exstral Wed 20 Nov 2019 10:52PM

Tried it also with Safari. Same problem. Maybe something that only happens with new users? I also have strict third party tracker blocking enabled in all browsers, in case you are using a third party for uploading the photos.


exstral Wed 20 Nov 2019 10:48PM

Yes problem is still there. Firefox 70.0.1. Tried a few photos, none works.


Greg Kan Tue 19 Nov 2019 3:43AM

hi @exstral , can I ask what browser you're using? would you also be able to try this again and let me know if it still isn't working? i've been unable to reproduce this sadly :(


exstral Sun 17 Nov 2019 5:51PM

Hi! First impressions: Looks great! Although scrolling this long thread is incredibly slow and laggy.

Problem: I'm not able to upload a profile picture. I select a file on disk and the upload looks good, the image is shown in the profile info page. But when I click the "Update Profile" button, it reloads and the image is gone. Anyone else having this problem?


Danyl Strype Wed 27 Nov 2019 7:20PM

I just sent email notifications to one of my groups from the app. Worked fine. If my wife or I strike the issue again, I'll be sure to let you know :)


Danyl Strype Tue 19 Nov 2019 4:13PM

I just tested with 367, both clicking on a thread from a list, and clicking on a notification. Comments loaded both times. I'll let you know if I hit the problem again. BTW my wife hit the notify by email issue on Firefox 70.0.1 64-bit, on MacOS 10.12.6.


Rob Guthrie Tue 19 Nov 2019 7:34AM

sorry, not the notifications crash. I mean the comments not rendering issue


Rob Guthrie Tue 19 Nov 2019 7:33AM

quick question, does this still happen now (sidebar version 366 or higher)


Danyl Strype Tue 19 Nov 2019 5:33AM

I'm looking at Loomio.org using Firefox 68.0.2 64-bit (ABrowser distribution), on Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit (Trisquel 8.0 distribution). My wife is using Firefox on MacOSX. I'll need to check with her about what versions.


Rob Guthrie Tue 19 Nov 2019 3:38AM

Thanks Strypey. We're unable to reproduce any crashing when adding people to be notified. What browser are you and your wife using?


Danyl Strype Sun 17 Nov 2019 1:46PM

When I started the thread about making the Loomio blog discoverable in the fediverse, I was accidentally allowed by a bug to email notify the group members of the new thread (sorry!). I noticed that trying to add the group's users in the notification window made the site hang, but as I mentioned in a comment there, I assumed that was because of the size of the group.

But my wife tried to do the same thing today in a group with only 16 members and the same thing happened. She had to cancel out of the pop-up and use 'invite members' to send email notifications to her group. Seems like there's a serious bug with that feature.


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Nov 2019 4:12AM

how are things going now (383+) ? lots more bugs resolved today.


Danyl Strype Sun 17 Nov 2019 1:36PM

Upon opening this thread, I don't see any comments. I assumed there weren't any, until I saw the tiny, greyed out text until the comment window saying "125 responses, newest first". When I clicked on the text, assuming that's what I'm meant to do to see the comments, I got a pop-up asking if I wanted to change the display (see attached screenshot):

This changes the layout for everyone, not just you.

Oldest or Newest first?

AFAIK I'm not an admin of this subgroup. Is it correct that I can change the layout for everyone? Also, is it a bug that I can't see the comments?

The rest of this comment assumes it's a feature, and includes a few thoughts about that. If the design goal for this is to get more responses to the OP before users start replying to each others' comments, making users to click to expose comments is probably a good way to do that.

However, if making the display of comments opt-in is a way to reduce load times for opening a thread, that's a good idea, but it might be better to have the notification about responses numbers displayed a bit more prominently? Maybe located between the Context Box and Comment Box, and/or in a more striking text font/size? FWIW allowing the text in the Context Box to be opened up from the thread list would be another way to allows users to browse those without loading comment threads.


Rob Guthrie Fri 15 Nov 2019 5:15PM

Join group button needs thinking:


Rob Guthrie Fri 15 Nov 2019 4:33PM

Thanks and please continue. I'm still fixing bigger issues, but this is helpful.


Richard D. Bartlett Fri 15 Nov 2019 10:20AM

Micro frustration when writing a comment: I highlight some text, then I click the link icon to open the Insert Link modal. I put in the url and press Apply. It technically works fine, but there's no visual feedback that the link was inserted correctly, because the highlighted text looks the same as it did before it was a link.

Just mentioning in case there's an easy way to change this :)


Michael Thu 14 Nov 2019 10:02PM

Thanks David. Still discovering new things in the software one can do every day 😎


david rayner Thu 14 Nov 2019 9:24PM

one can pin sidebar open from drop down menu top left...🤓


Michael Thu 14 Nov 2019 5:29AM

Some feedback on 2.0 from customer using Loomio in a board context:

  • Would be useful if the side bar on left hand side could be permanently shown as in previous version (keeps closing)

  • Previously the category tags were visible when looking at a group – they are not now which is very inconvenient as these tags were used to help the Board know what to read / how to action.

  • Don't really like the feature where attachments show the first page as this looks messy when multiple attachments.

  • It was useful that if you exited a thread before posting that the thread saved for next time you opened the thread.


Greg Kan Sun 17 Nov 2019 11:11PM

This has to do with the initial setup for the rank poll, and the number of options you've decided need to be ranked:


Michael Thu 14 Nov 2019 4:55AM

Problem with the ranking numbers when 'Add another option' is used.  The new options did not get a rank number.


john gieryn Wed 13 Nov 2019 9:47PM

Time poll, adding times Chrome | Windows

The modal went below the screen → no access to the 'add' button,
and hitting Enter etc did not work

Wasn't on my computer so couldn't get any screenshots sorry

fact that may or may not be related: was duplicating screen onto a second display


Rob Guthrie Thu 21 Nov 2019 4:11AM

this is all fixed now. thanks for the report


Rob Guthrie Wed 13 Nov 2019 2:35AM

It should zoom automatically, but right now it only does this after you've scrolled over thread items. Thanks for the report.


Matthew Cropp Wed 13 Nov 2019 2:33AM

I usually have a thread in groups where all the schedule and RSVP polls live. This seems to result in a quite busy/broken Context timeline for said threads. Example:


Greg Kan Tue 19 Nov 2019 11:18PM

hi @Matthew Cropp, the issue is actually that this group does not allow members to add new members, but the shareable link button was still showing. a fix for this is coming.

if you want to share this group with someone, you can give them the link to the group itself (i.e. "https://www.loomio.org/community/") and then they can simply click the "join group" button as this is a public group.


Rob Guthrie Tue 12 Nov 2019 9:18PM

Thanks for saying so. I'll look into it next week.


Matthew Cropp Tue 12 Nov 2019 8:33PM

Tried to get the shareable link for this group, and it seemed to hand and fail to generate when I tried.


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:01AM



Matthew Bartlett Tue 12 Nov 2019 8:08PM

When voting on the score poll in awnTpVOv:


Richard D. Bartlett Tue 12 Nov 2019 6:22PM

Feature request: the Video Embed feature should be able to eat a a link like this https://youtu.be/BVxXRvOQZTY and turn it into a link like https://youtube.com/embed/BVxXRvOQZTY


Rob Guthrie Tue 12 Nov 2019 6:41PM

Right, got it. Some solution will come to mind soon. Thanks for reporting and making it super clear.


Richard D. Bartlett Tue 12 Nov 2019 6:21PM

That video embed was working in the preview, but not in the published comment. Maybe because it is set to unlisted?

It is here: https://youtu.be/BVxXRvOQZTY


Richard D. Bartlett Tue 12 Nov 2019 6:20PM

Not exactly a bug, but feels a bit broken: search.

First, I expect there to be a search bar on every screen. I can understand not including it on the thread page, but it seems weird to not have it on the Inbox as I think of that as my "Loomio home page".

More importantly though, the interaction design feels wacky. I recorded this video on my Macbook to illustrate the nuance:

My focus is in the search field, and when I type, the letters don't show up there. They show up in the address bar, which is quite disorienting. The content of the field only updates once the results are in. Intuitively, that feels back-to-front. What I expect to see is the text showing up in the search field, and then eventually the results come in and the URL is updated.

Maybe it would feel less weird if there was a delay, so the search operation is only triggered half a second after I type?


Richard D. Bartlett Tue 12 Nov 2019 6:15PM

Bug: comment field loses focus.

Occasionally, when I'm writing a long comment on this thread specifically, the comment form loses focus, and my browser tells me it is waiting on ethercalc.org

I don't know how to reproduce it sorry, just logging it here to alleviate some of my frustration.


Rob Guthrie Tue 12 Nov 2019 12:30AM



Greg Kan Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:32PM

correction: this occurs when a new thread has just been created, and a poll created right after that


Greg Kan Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:09PM

gone since the rollback


Greg Kan Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:39PM

poll not showing up in thread on creation


Greg Kan Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:09PM

should be fixed now :)


Richard D. Bartlett Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:19AM

Micro bug: I notice today there are a bunch of missing spaces in the app. E.g. on the Inbox, there should be a space between "2 replies" and "2 unread". Also in the sidebar, there should be a space between the group name and the number of notifications. Currently looks like: Loomio Community(4).


Richard D. Bartlett Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10AM

Not a bug, but some missing information.

I made a poll, and got a lot of responses. In this case it would be very useful to be able to see who were the two people that selected "I would like to lead the organising work."

Currently I can only find that info by scrolling through 27 responses.

Maybe it would be nice if I could click on the number "2" and it would expand with the names of the voters.


Greg Kan Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:09PM



Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 8:55AM

we're missing the green and orange blocks from timepoll! For you @Greg Kan ?


Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 6:37AM

actually another neat concept exists here: https://larsjung.de/pagemap/

The thing is, we only know a few thing about the thread when the page is loaded. the number of depth 1 items. We fetch pinned items and draw them on, and we'll fetch unread items soon too.

Otherwise we just load enough items around your viewport so that if you scroll like most people do, it seems like everything is there most of the time.


Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 6:32AM

Yea... it keeps growing until the minimum px between pinned items is met. There is a bug so that it does not resize initially, but I'll fix that.

If you space out your pins, the timeline will resize again.

I think the way I look at it is, your thread was completely unusable before.. now it's fairly accessible. It looks like there is corrupt data at the beginning that might need to be fixed one day.

Very soon I'll be highlighting unread sections on the timeline with orange blocks.. that's fairly certain and close.

It's also easy to imagine a future where we are placing author avatars on the left with reply author heads cascading to the right. Same for proposal icons etc


Matthew Bartlett Mon 11 Nov 2019 6:21AM

Ooh so it does! Now very tall — perhaps appropriate to this four-year-long discussion — though feels odd



Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 4:38AM

Do it resize when you scroll?


Matthew Bartlett Mon 11 Nov 2019 4:14AM



Rob Guthrie Sat 9 Nov 2019 7:17PM

Thanks for naming it. goes straight into the list of things we'll work out how to fix then fix.

Here's the thinking on this:

You cant just add http:// to links that don't have it. the main protocol these days is https, but we don't know if that's right.

So the user really does need to specify the protocol part of the component... we can't reliably guess it.

In this case, we'll need to add https:// to any link that does not already contain //, but confirm that with the user when they press ok.

We should also add link previews, they're fairly standard these days and add some fun.


Luke Flegg Sat 9 Nov 2019 7:02PM

Do we have something about embedding URLs?

Every single time I create a link by selecting text, clicking the URL button and typing the URL

I have to manually type
at the beginning

which is just a bit annoying and feels uncessary, but if I don't do it, Loomio breaks my link by adding an odd prefix to it


david rayner Fri 8 Nov 2019 10:46AM

excuse me...gets straight talking engaged...i was referring to the sporadic lack of keyboard navigation. as per above...

lol, actually the lack of a lack but then further down the page after being to the bottom and coming back up searching for the new comment (hey, it's a friday night!), the lack came and 'click'went and came back and 'click'went...about the time your reply notification came through? (i eventually noticed...how about a dinky ping?)

hmmm...not really that much of a problem with the finish line in sight...or is programming ever really finished?🐎


Rob Guthrie Fri 8 Nov 2019 10:26AM

I enjoyed reading your comment, but I have no idea what it means.


david rayner Fri 8 Nov 2019 10:24AM

seems to flow at all times now...did u give infinity a stern talking to?

good chap...also thanks for calling my refusal to upgrade... sophisticated.



david rayner Tue 5 Nov 2019 4:25AM

i have now... kutgw.


Rob Guthrie Tue 5 Nov 2019 4:08AM

Did you discover how to pin it open if you want?


david rayner Tue 5 Nov 2019 4:06AM

it is good in loomio 2 that cntrl+click to open in another tab works does not activate the link in both tabs as it seemed to with v.1. that may just a sidebar thang. and the sidebar closing every screen change has cured me of my habit of leaving it open....


david rayner Tue 5 Nov 2019 3:52AM

the usual home, end, pg up down and arrow keys...this relatively minor effect sporadically occurs when using the mouse scroll as well. meaning the focus disappears for any scrolling without a click...🤔


Rob Guthrie Tue 5 Nov 2019 3:03AM

The casual but sophisticated look.

This kind of behaviour is a side affect of the infinite scrolling system I've built, I suppose. I've not put any thought into this aspect of it, I've always used a trackpad or mouse, but want to ensure we have good keyboard support.

How does one scroll with a physical keyboard? Which keys do you use?


david rayner Tue 5 Nov 2019 2:51AM

is it a mobile program assumption that means when i stop scrolling with my physical keyboard ( i dont use touch screens for loomio...) that the focus ceases after a very short time and requires a click with the mouse? it has been this way for a while and it is...starting...to...get...to ...me.

🙀might just be when it is loading...i am using a pc with 8.1 and latest FF and i am wearing a skivvie and trackpants.


Greg Kan Tue 19 Nov 2019 11:24PM

this is fixed now @Luke Flegg !


Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 8:46AM



Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 8:33AM

I am typing the keys you can see, but I'm suffixing it with your favourite signoff, cmd + enter.

edit: I've had to roll it back.. normal enter was broken. I'll look again tomorrow morning.


Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 8:17AM

deploying fix for this now


Luke Flegg Tue 29 Oct 2019 11:15PM

in fact you can see my (empty) line at the bottom of that ^ comment! I ALWAYS use Ctrl + Enter. I use it on Wrike, Facebook, Twitter and loads of other web apps that support it


Luke Flegg Tue 29 Oct 2019 11:14PM

Ctrl + Enter (when writing a comment on a thread) POSTs the comment (yay) but also adds a line break! (bum clouds.)


Rob Guthrie Thu 24 Oct 2019 9:16PM

new feature: timeline!


Luke Flegg Sat 9 Nov 2019 11:18PM

omg life is so good. and it's enabled by default
and voters can add options
and it counts votes up as a total, Toodle pip Doodle


Rob Guthrie Sat 9 Nov 2019 7:05PM

I'm confused Luke! The above comment is about the timeline.... and loomio does support 'if need be'


Luke Flegg Sat 9 Nov 2019 7:00PM

I would use this instead of Doodle if it allowed 'If need be' - this is an essential feature for me because there are often dates which are much less convenient (but still doable, if need be) which people (including me) will just mark themselves as 'not available' for because it's incredibly annoying and unfair if a date is picked that is super inconvenient for half the group, when there's another date that is much better for the group (or indeed, could have more of us in attendance if they had the option to mark If need be)


Rob Guthrie Thu 24 Oct 2019 10:11PM

I think I might remove the dragging function and just allow clicks.


david rayner Thu 24 Oct 2019 9:49PM

it is definitely alive and requires a firm touch/mouse click...will give more of a go after my meeting...🙏


Rob Guthrie Thu 24 Oct 2019 9:12PM

@Matthew Bartlett It's live now. I think you should give it a spin


Rob Guthrie Thu 24 Oct 2019 8:20PM

Thanks for the feedback and bug reports @david rayner and @Matthew Bartlett. Appreciated!

Here's a reward - a sneek peek of the best Loomio 2.0 feature nobody knows about yet


david rayner Thu 24 Oct 2019 11:21AM

searching for old proposal for the previous issue made me miss the 'decisions' menu item as they are not as obvious as they used be...hmmm

maybe an icon to mark which threads contain a poll/proposal/tally?



david rayner Thu 24 Oct 2019 11:15AM

when i viewed notification history for a proposal, all the dates for notifications were for when the proposal was started.

Even the reminder notification i recently sent out; 6 days later...

other proposals i have checked seem to be the same i.e. only date being the start date.


Matthew Bartlett Wed 23 Oct 2019 9:57PM

This emoji looks like this when I choose it:


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:01AM



Matthew Bartlett Wed 23 Oct 2019 9:56PM

This modal should open with the focus on the link field:


Greg Kan Tue 3 Dec 2019 2:02AM

fixed (missing helptext). N.B. this modal only shows up the first time you try to pin a thread


Matthew Bartlett Wed 23 Oct 2019 9:54PM

Kinda weird modal. Do we need a modal for this minor action? Or if we have one, it would be good to have some text like "Pinning a thread keeps it at the top of your group's thread list. You can use it to help keep your group's attention on what's important right now."


Matthew Bartlett Wed 23 Oct 2019 9:52PM

I'm in a thread, and I can't figure out how to see who has access to it. I have a feeling I invited an extra person, not in this group, to it.


Rob Guthrie Mon 11 Nov 2019 8:16AM

members search is now obvious, and the whole group page is much better for it. thanks for your feedback in making this


Rob Guthrie Tue 22 Oct 2019 9:42PM

Your suffering will not be for nothing! The next few updates will address this.


Joachim Jacob Tue 22 Oct 2019 1:09PM

Owwwww - could have saved me tons of time if I'd seen it.

I propose to put it somewhere more close. Perhaps next to the "invite" button?


Rob Guthrie Mon 21 Oct 2019 6:46PM

Did you notice that there is a search function? I'm worried the magnifying icon is not in a useful place.


Joachim Jacob Mon 21 Oct 2019 3:50PM

Hi, we have a very large group. In Firefox, I am searching one user, in the tab 'Members'. The page loads only a fraction of the users, then I need to click 'Load more'. Then some more are loaded, but the user is still not in the list... So I continue. After a while, it seems to me that clicking "Load more" does not lead to more users being shown on the page, even though the 'Load more' button is still present. A solution would be to provide a search field to quickly find a user. (need to remove someone). Managing the users is quite important for us. (but perhaps I am doing something wrong, or missed som essentials)


Rob Guthrie Thu 17 Oct 2019 5:20AM

quick update just now:

fix new subgroup √

fix images in app and in emails for consent and objection √

note that timezone is your local (and name it) under "when can you attend" √

explain things more clearly the notification settings form √


david rayner Thu 17 Oct 2019 5:09AM

i clicked on 'export' from the dropdown menu in a proposal just to see what would happen and the screen just went blank.(except for sidebar on left...)

or does it only activate once poll has finished?


Nancy Gibson Tue 22 Oct 2019 1:08AM

Hi @Greg Kan ... the poll closed yesterday so it is no longer active. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Thanks


Greg Kan Mon 21 Oct 2019 8:24PM

Hi @Nancy Gibson, can you try hitting the tab or enter key once you've written the text for the option, and then hitting the save button?


Nancy Gibson Mon 21 Oct 2019 8:02PM

@Greg Kan ... I wrote the poll with 5 options but only 4 posted and when I edited the post to Add Another Option, I could write up the text but when I clicked Post it would disappear and didn't get added on. Other people could add options no problem so I'm guessing either user error or a bug specific to the creator of the poll.


Greg Kan Sun 20 Oct 2019 9:36PM

i was unable to reproduce nancy's inability to add another option/edit the poll. might have to ask nancy how exactly she tried to do this?


Rob Guthrie Thu 17 Oct 2019 5:16AM

Thanks for saying, good point. I'll sort it out.


Matthew Bartlett Wed 16 Oct 2019 8:06PM

FWIW, the variable length coloured bars on polls give me a moment's confusion each time — as the length in other contexts maps to the option's popularity


john gieryn Tue 15 Oct 2019 8:26PM

Three things reported to me by Nancy (and a fourth I discovered) Re: Polls choices

  1. Nancy tried to put 5 options in poll, below pictured, but only 4 options came through

  2. Nancy then went to edit the poll, or otherwise add option, and was unsuccessful

  3. The options' length prevent them from being fully read

  4. When I click on long options I can't tell if it is selected or not

@Rob Guthrie


Joachim Jacob Tue 15 Oct 2019 9:48AM

I cannot make a new Subgroup in our organisation, which is called 'The Mobility Factory SCE'. Instead, Loomio creates a completely new Organisation.


john gieryn Mon 14 Oct 2019 4:51AM

Can't seem to clear this (1) Unread in this thread… maybe to do with the share an outcome bit? FF 69


Sophie Jerram Sun 27 Oct 2019 10:13PM

thanks Rob I think that one now fixed... x


Rob Guthrie Thu 24 Oct 2019 11:04PM

@Sophie Jerram thanks so much for the janky jumpy scrolling feedback - I think I've solved all those problems now, (and added a timeline!) so I'd love to know how you find it now.


david rayner Mon 14 Oct 2019 12:00PM

top left above main menu.

well....that where it was before...🚏yup...still there...


david rayner Mon 14 Oct 2019 11:59AM

excellent...i can see it going through the same kind of thing in process to the end but one ends up where one is heading without getting deposited elsewhere...like the first page that ended up loading...🗿


Sophie Jerram Mon 14 Oct 2019 11:55AM

ummm - how do I get back to Loomio v.2>? I'm using the original...


Rob Guthrie Mon 14 Oct 2019 7:11AM

If you get a minute, try again now (version, bottom left cnr: 269 onwards), I've changed a setting that might have been contributing to the problem and I'd love to know if you notice an improvement.

I've tried to reproduce it myself, and I definitely did see it jump to the bottom a couple of times, but maybe twice, with many threads and quite a vigorous scrolling.


Sophie Jerram Mon 14 Oct 2019 4:04AM

It’s a laptop. Shall do


Rob Guthrie Mon 14 Oct 2019 12:21AM

Sophie, are you using a mobile or laptop when these scrolling issues happen? Can you please send me a url of a page that is particularly problematic? You may like to send it to me via email rob@loomio.org


david rayner Sun 13 Oct 2019 2:04AM

i am finding that (in ff 70b14 etc...) i scroll and then wait...and scroll....and wait...etc and it catches up eventually...

patience is a virtue at the moment. still recommending people in our pool check 2.0 out, esp on mobiles...


ps this a painless way to be a crash test dummy...


Rob Guthrie Sat 12 Oct 2019 10:24PM

Yikes, thanks for reporting this, Sophie. I'll see what's going on.


Sophie Jerram Sat 12 Oct 2019 10:19PM

Hi team apologies if this has already been noted but in loomio 2.0 (Firefox Quantum) I can't scroll to the bottom of the thread- it keeps bumping me back to mid way -probably where i was when i was last online. i am back to using the original loomio


Matthew Bartlett Thu 10 Oct 2019 8:57PM

On Loomio 266 / Chrome / OSX the reactions panel turns up at top left of the screen, and scrolls with the thread.


Rob Guthrie Thu 10 Oct 2019 8:56PM

yikes. I'll work on this today.


Matthew Bartlett Thu 10 Oct 2019 8:55PM

This poll (on discussion fwX6528a) has finished, and I'm about to share an outcome. I click 'Members of thread' (because in this poll it's everyone in the Ecumenical Chaplaincy group, plus one guest), and only one member of the group is added (it's not the guest):


Rob Guthrie Mon 7 Oct 2019 7:53PM

this don't look right:


Matthew Bartlett Tue 8 Oct 2019 12:40AM

That would be nifty


Rob Guthrie Tue 8 Oct 2019 12:03AM

Thanks for the info. Texting could be a really useful Loomio feature eh?


Matthew Bartlett Mon 7 Oct 2019 10:17PM

Fwiw: use case for link to share today was for texting slow voters


Matthew Bartlett Mon 7 Oct 2019 10:15PM

Use case: planning quarterly board meeting; two members haven't voted and I'm chasing them; meantime some of the dates have become irrelevant, because the date has passed already, or they were too unpopular to be viable options anymore; I'd like to make the experience for the stragglers as simple as possible, rather than making them do the cognitive work to reject now irrelevant options.


Greg Kan Mon 7 Oct 2019 9:36PM

@Matthew Bartlett just a further note that right now you can't remove options that have already been voted on


Rob Guthrie Mon 7 Oct 2019 8:45PM

Please try long threads again. It should stick to the bottom if you hit the bottom now (and top if vice versa). However I think it might be a good idea to flip that thread.

Text entry on android/mobile was messed up by menu button overload - it's fixed now too.

Still thinking about link to share poll and the poll options


Matthew Bartlett Mon 7 Oct 2019 7:51PM

Thanks RG :)
d/2s6SRFfh / Chrome 76.0.3809.132
But I think I'm seeing this load-whole-thread thing on lots of threads


Rob Guthrie Mon 7 Oct 2019 6:44PM

Ooosh! All these things will be fixed very soon.

Can you tell me the thread id and browser you're having thread scrolling issues?


Matthew Bartlett Mon 7 Oct 2019 6:36PM

  • I can't remove dates after time poll started, though it looks like I should be able to.

  • I can't find a link to share a poll

  • Long threads presently almost unusable, with every comment loading before I can get to the comment form (and reloading when I scroll back up to context panel), comment form keeps jumping further down as comments load.

  • This text box on Android doesn't auto scroll, so I have to swipe up repeatedly when writing a long comment


Rob Guthrie Mon 7 Oct 2019 8:42PM

It was the intention to add support for moving polls too. Thanks for the poke. I've enabled moving polls via the same function which is now called move items.


Rudolf Hornig Mon 7 Oct 2019 9:35AM

We have created a check poll to recruit people to work on some topic. After the poll finished we have created a new thread and I wanted to move related comments and the whole check poll to the new thread. It seems that you can move only comments between threads, but not polls. Is this intentional?


john gieryn Sun 6 Oct 2019 10:07PM

undesirable unread behavior with closed threads:


mike_hales Sat 5 Oct 2019 8:23PM

I'm referring to Loomio 2.0. Is there more specific version info anywhere on the page?

I remember now, way back in version 1, that the datestamp had to be copied. But then you tweaked things, and added an explicit 'copy link' option to the comment's actions menu. This was very convenient - and helpfully explicit.


Rob Guthrie Sat 5 Oct 2019 8:00PM

Which version, mike? FYI, the date stamp is a link which you can copy.


mike_hales Sat 5 Oct 2019 6:28PM

I just discovered that this present version of Loomio no longer has 'Copy link to clipboard' as an option on posted comments. Do please restore this useful function. Thanks.


Rob Guthrie Fri 4 Oct 2019 4:25AM

Thursday & Friday

Support for older browsers including MS Edge 17 (at least .. booting the app)

Fixed a massive memory leek on thread page (no more crashing tabs) 🐲

Make outcome stand out on a poll card

expose close/reopen poll buttons on the toolbar

make group page tab text more visible

prevent jittering on proposals in a thread

sticky footer

convert time poll chart back to a table🗽


david rayner Fri 4 Oct 2019 6:28AM

i Had wondered if linking tween the platforms was....problematic...🗿

loving 2.0 and i have started encouraging members of our group to try it.


Rob Guthrie Fri 4 Oct 2019 4:13AM

No worries, good to check. Linking the name in the old client is a little hard.


david rayner Fri 4 Oct 2019 3:18AM

i was wrong. sorry to assume based upon an apparent format change.


david rayner Fri 4 Oct 2019 3:04AM

why is there no seemingly active link like there used to be?(that also functioned as an indication that i had got the formatting correct same as here...)

and majorly... no reply from people who are active. i will double check again if they are being received or just ignored.

i am quite happy to be wrong.😌


Rob Guthrie Fri 4 Oct 2019 2:49AM

Uhmm... nope. If I mention someone from Loomio 2, and they're on Loomio 1, it'll work just the same.

You can even use the notification history feature to track if they've opened the email or notifications dropdown


david rayner Fri 4 Oct 2019 2:40AM

a thing i had wondered...and can now confirm... an@ mention here does not transfer to 1.0.

i had wondered why people were not responding. @least they are not dead...



david rayner Fri 4 Oct 2019 2:37AM



Rob Guthrie Thu 3 Oct 2019 10:49PM

I hear ya. I'll keep listening for a bit more.

I'll flip the nav with a flipped thread v soon.


Matthew Bartlett Thu 3 Oct 2019 9:59PM

It's a bit weird to me that the order of discussions can be switched around. I feel like I have to think a bit for each thread. It also means the mapping of this nav menu doesn't make sense for 'newest first' thread — clicking 'End' takes one / leaves one at the top of the page:


Matthew Bartlett Thu 3 Oct 2019 9:57PM

This is a cool feature, but not quite working — in that all the first list should have ticks beside them, as I know they've seen the notification because they have voted:


mike_hales Thu 3 Oct 2019 11:13PM

copy as / paste from markdown

will be great. thanks Rob


Rob Guthrie Thu 3 Oct 2019 10:59PM

The new rich text system supports more features than Markdown.

However I do recognise the value of markdown. We'll add a copy as / paste from markdown ability.

True dual format support is too much work if we support any features at all, ie: mentions, drag and drop uploads or view edit history.


mike_hales Thu 3 Oct 2019 2:33PM

I just did my first major edit on an old comment containing a long list of sources; I needed to add another to the list. The old comment was pasted in as Markdown, and I want to do the edit in my Markdown editor, where I keep a master copy of all the long comments posted to that group. But I find that there's no Markdown support now, in the new editor😟 Is there really no Markdown support? If so, this is a real loss and inconvenience. The new editor is neat and works well, but Markdown is a basic exchange format.


Rob Guthrie Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:49AM

Recent progress:

  • The thread page has had a lot of work (uses less cpu, memory, bandwidth, jitters much less and is faster) - rendering very large threads should feel good, rendering short threads equally good.

  • fix proposal legend to support consent and objection (cc @John Gieryn )

  • fix editing attachments on comments, proposals etc

  • removed the Facilitate button and now you see Comment, Proposal, Poll

  • added star and whitecheckmark emojis

  • added back explore page and links to it from sidebar and empty dashboard

  • big improvements to the group page tabs, threads, polls, members, files all load faster and paginate better

We're very close to calling this a first 2.0 release, work has started on the iOS app


Michael Sun 29 Sep 2019 10:51PM

Hi Greg, this report received over the weekend that poll info is pushing over mobile screen.


Rob Guthrie Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:31AM

I keep coming back to this and wondering if I've mis interpreted you. Would you mind sharing a screenshot of the problem you're experiencing, Marco? Thank you!


Rob Guthrie Sun 29 Sep 2019 10:15AM

I think that is what happens already. When you type, the area expands as you go.


Marco Giustini Sun 29 Sep 2019 8:33AM

Mod proposal: When someone write more than a line (word wrap) on a text entry area (on discussion, comment, proposal, and soon), imho is needed that the area automaticly resizes, so is easier to write the second line and more.


Rob Guthrie Sat 28 Sep 2019 7:02PM

Hi Marco. The translation files are the same as 1.0. So if you bring those translations up to date, they'll apply to Loomio 2.0.

This means that once 1.0 is retired, there will be a lot of translation strings removed.


Marco Giustini Sat 28 Sep 2019 2:46PM

@robertguthrie I wish to translate LOOMIO 2.0 into italian updating the translations I already have done in the past. Are all the new files available on Transifex?


john gieryn Fri 27 Sep 2019 3:24AM

I went into a subgroup I hadn't visited in a while ("Customer Support") and made a new thread there. When I was done with that, I suddenly had an indicator that there were 14 unread threads in that group. These also had not been showing on my Unread Threads page. Thought you'd like to know :)


david rayner Thu 16 Jan 2020 2:01AM

just this thread...still trouble shooting before i report again to rob...and it is not that huge in the scheme of things...our main group is working just fine and i am loving the increased finesse of 2.0.xxxxx


john gieryn Wed 15 Jan 2020 9:05PM

Are you still having a thread that continually shows as unread no matter what you do?


david rayner Wed 15 Jan 2020 9:08AM

my experience of that feature is a lot of people who check it out but do not actually do anything. but then i know they fully received it...

excuse the late reply but i thought i had finally found the 'unread post' that always shows...😟this was not it...


john gieryn Fri 27 Sep 2019 3:15AM

I got confused when today I received a notification "Rob accepted your invitation to join [Thread, see my email], as you had participated in a poll within the thread (so you had joined the thread after I notified you via tagging you the context)

Maybe it has to do with the @mention I sent you two weeks ago in that thread, but the notification would still be confusing, in that case, as you'd already "joined" the thread by voting


Rob Guthrie Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:26PM

We now support switching the thread to display newest items first, and selecting how much nesting is used. I think newest first threads will be really useful for a lot of groups.


Richard D. Bartlett Wed 25 Sep 2019 8:13AM

Brooks how much of your pain is about groups, vs subgroups?


Greg Kan Wed 25 Sep 2019 1:17AM

you can now access the 'Explore groups' page again if you scroll to the bottom of the sidebar 🙂


Rob Guthrie Tue 24 Sep 2019 7:57PM

You got it! Thanks for commenting it here!

I really don't mind if something has been said already, repetition is useful and I'll sort it out if not.


Daniel DeTerrence Brooks Tue 24 Sep 2019 6:59PM

I can't readily gain an overview of the right way to act in here or check if someone has made this point before(I hope so!)

I notice in the 2.0 beta that the issue of easily gaining access to the list of groups to sign up to is nowhere to be found, at least by me. In my view this is the number 1 issue for new users at the Borderland, and the one that causes many of them to flee Talk before giving it a proper chance. Please please please grant us a feature on the sidebar to 'Join more groups' or the like!


Rob Guthrie Tue 24 Sep 2019 7:57PM

Totally bamboozled on this. Keen to know if it ever happens again.


john gieryn Mon 23 Sep 2019 2:33AM

Not sure why/how the format of this thread context got mangled? Was fine last I looked


Richard D. Bartlett Wed 25 Sep 2019 8:14AM

yeah it is iDXSvbPa

just confirmed it is still broken


Greg Kan Mon 23 Sep 2019 9:49PM

hey rich, can i get the group id/key off you?


Richard D. Bartlett Wed 18 Sep 2019 12:47PM

In beta, I can't toggle the "Members can create subgroups" permission setting.


Rob Guthrie Wed 18 Sep 2019 8:49AM

New feature: Embed Videos!

@Greg Kan made this magic happen in under 60 minutes today. Really amazing!


john gieryn Wed 18 Sep 2019 2:14AM

Also the icon in the Timeline might want to change:


john gieryn Wed 18 Sep 2019 1:21AM

Two things with new voting tools within Proposals:

  1. No voting: Group members still see the "Vote" bar+button at the top, which may send mixed message, and when you click this the behavior also doesn't help as it doesn't light up the bit where they're supposed to interact with this type of proposal, ie, the comment field

  2. The metrics on the Results are missing some bits (new bits, it appears):

@Rob Guthrie


Greg Kan Mon 16 Sep 2019 11:52PM

Recently completed/addressed:

- sidebar should not show archived groups
- thread forking removed, instead...
- can move comments from one thread to another
- fix yes and no check images for check poll
- fix table support in text editor
- add help text for changing cover image and logo in group profile form
- add lastSeenAt to members panel
- support removing attachments
- autofocus on add link dialog
- order sidebar subgroups by those the user is a member of first
- focus color on thread item fades
- show discussion seen by information


Rob Guthrie Mon 16 Sep 2019 10:59AM

Thanks for sharing. I don't think I can make the edit toolbar icons bigger, but I can give them tooltips and make them darker when the field is focused.


mike_hales Mon 16 Sep 2019 8:21AM

I'm struck again in this beta layout, by how small and pale the icons are in the edit options below the comment entry field. And no mouse-over pop-up legend. So a step backwards in clarity and usability. Likewise, small fonts in left and right sidebar menus. Please have a thought for older folks eyesight?


mike_hales Sun 15 Sep 2019 8:32AM

I'm with Sukie regarding the display of time poll results. The little icon rows don't communicate like the grid did. The rows show 'the winner' but the grid shows better who can do what.


Sukie Conley Fri 4 Oct 2019 8:30AM

Holy hot grid!! Thank you so much! Looks really good 🙌🏽


Rob Guthrie Fri 4 Oct 2019 4:12AM

Ok, the grid is back! (v246)


Rob Guthrie Mon 16 Sep 2019 7:50AM

Thanks for explaining this for me Sukie. I thought I'd had a breakthrough with the new time poll design.

The finishing of it has proved a little difficult though, I'm not happy that it does not line up on a grid vertically.

We'll see what we can do to improve things.


Sukie Conley Sat 14 Sep 2019 11:18PM


I absolutely loved the old time poll feature. It was so easy to see who responded, how many responded, and what the most popular time from the group was. Organizing through doodle was a big nuisance, and I found time poll my answer to no more doodles

Looking at the time poll in 2.0, I quickly became confused, and it was hard to determine results. I really just loved the way the old one worked; how easy it was to scroll through a chart both horizontally and vertically, and see my results at a quick glance. The new way is more spaced out, not a grid, and even the icons are different sizes throughout (see pic below), which made it very difficult to read/determine results. Also, the actual day of the week (Mon, Tue, etc.) is not listed anymore, which necessitates me needing to stare at my calendar while organizing something.

I may be the only one in this boat (I am an spreadsheet enthusiast), but is it possible to bring the grid back? Its clear organization helped put my technology-induced anxiety brain at ease. I get how it could be a cumbersome the old way too, and I do like the new idea of picture icons in green/yellow, so maybe there is way to combine the two?

Sweet Blissful Grid:


Rob Guthrie Sun 6 Oct 2019 8:22PM

I think we've since addressed all these issues, @Sukie Conley . Thanks for naming them all.


Sukie Conley Sat 14 Sep 2019 10:44PM


Preface: I am a super basic user that loves how easy my iPhone and Mac are to use, but if things aren't super intuitive, I get lost and overwhelmed easily.

Basically, I want to easily navigate to a view of my organization's threads that includes my subgroup threads. With john's help, I found it possible, but honestly, I just thought loomio had deleted my subgroups for some reason (because I couldn't see them/find them from the group page), and I was confused.

  1. As a user, from a thread I wanted to return to the organization view that includes the subgroups I am in. When I clicked the hyperlink with my group's name (at the top of the page in blue), it took me to my group's page sans the subgroup threads.

  2. From the navigation bar on the left, I didn't know how to use the drop down vs clicking the name in order to include or exclude subgroup threads.

  3. It was very difficult and cumbersome to scroll and try to find the subgroups I am a part of because the drop down shows me all of the subgroups available, which was pretty overwhelming as a new user.


Rob Guthrie Tue 29 Oct 2019 8:13PM

Thanks for taking the time to list these out, Mike. I really do appreciate it.

  1. Will fix. Can you forward me the email (to rob@loomio.org) that has the link to the comment, I've put a lot of work into arriving at the right place from links, so I'd like to make sure I fix this case too.

  2. Confused. Nested not chronological is the default view. Maybe you mean chronological not nested?

  3. Will bring back: Thread participants - what was it about that feature that you found useful?

  4. Loomio 1 did not offer a notification option when positing a comment. Although in L2, you can see when people have opened your notifications. Can you explain further what you find missing?

  5. Bug!? Can you give me the poll url for the situation where not all thread participants were being listed, I'll sort it out.

Thanks for your feedback, I know it seems like nothing happens to it, but I assure you it helps me make progress. Copy link function coming very soon.

The Loomio 2 search function is a massive improvement over 1, and the timeline feature makes it much easier to navigate threads, however I hear you on the need for comment search and will work towards the right solution.


mike_hales Tue 29 Oct 2019 9:02AM

Thanks Rob.

Broadly, I keep discovering things from Loomio 1 that seem to be lost in Loomio 2.

  • Dropping into a thread at the place where I’ve been notified of an @mention. Like this present one. I’m replying in email bcos I can’t find the place in the thread, to review my earlier comment that you refer to.
  • Displaying a thread Nested not Chronological. I really miss this. Seems basic.
  • Being able to view thread participants.
  • Being offered a notification option when posting a comment.
  • ‘Thread participants’ as a notification option (where it occurs - for example, editing a Poll) didn’t bring up all participants - only about half of them. The others had to be inserted by hand.

And the old problem of searching within threads, which really does need a solution. For example, this thread is so complex now, I’ve given up attempts to find my own previous comments or to search first for other folks’ comments, before I post a new one. Like this one!


Rob Guthrie Tue 29 Oct 2019 7:23AM

I think you'll like the improvements on layout and spacing in the current version of Loomio, @mike_hales.


mike_hales Sat 14 Sep 2019 6:40PM

I just used Loomio 2 for the first time on the iPad. At first encounter (even after using Loomio 2 on MacOS for some time now) the interface here looks kinda opaque, in a way I can’t easily put my finger on. If I weren’t a determined, experienced user, I think I’d be put off. I think it might be enough to discourage some of the less tech literate members of a group that I convene.

I had to hunt for the means to drop in at the latest messages in a thread - turns out it’s in the funny little button down in the bottom right corner. Even then, the legend ‘End’ appears in such tiny writing in the slide-over menu, that’s it was easy to miss the first time. And the slide-over is transparent, which makes it hard to read anyway.

Larger font in the slide-over menu please? Kill the transparency? Maybe add the legend ‘MENU’ to the menu button? In large characters!

I guess I’ll get used to commands being in the slide-over. But at first it feels like part of the opacity I referred to.

On the plus side, the comment editor feels good on the iPad.

In MacOS I commented that the line length in comments is too long for fluent visual scanning of lines. Here in IOS this has the additional effect of making the type size pretty small. My old eyes need larger characters!

Larger characters please, fewer words per line?

As in MacOS, I would say that line spacing could and should be a little closer, and that space between paragraphs should be a little less. In MacOS this was bcos of wanting to scroll less to read comments. Here in IOS it’s just bcos the page overall looks to my eye to have a bit too much white space in it.


Michael Fri 13 Sep 2019 8:55PM

I used export data in 2.0 for the first time today. It is nice to now receive data via email. 🙌

However it only seems to export in json, and is unreadable for analysis. Can we please have .csv option too (and maybe HTML) 🤞


Clara Vanderschueren - Partago Team Wed 11 Sep 2019 7:19AM

Setting a title for a member in the parent group doesn't automatically apply to that same member in all subgroups. I understood from here that this should be the case. Or maybe even better: get the choice to have the title applied to all subgroups or not.


david rayner Wed 2 Oct 2019 1:25AM

while that online metric can be unreliable in the occasional case,(some kind of auto login thing thru ipad/apple? ) i have found it to be worthwhile and accurate enough. but yes, the occasional head scratch...


Rob Guthrie Tue 1 Oct 2019 7:41PM

Thats something to be concerned about. That figure is updated each time the app is refreshed.


Connor Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:40PM

Sidenote: OTOH, I found that on 1.0 those metrics were completely unreliable. For example, a member of our group that passed away years ago, would show as active "1 month ago".


Michael Tue 10 Sep 2019 2:48AM

Customer feedback on 2.0: One thing I noticed was that you can no longer see how long it is since a member was online, which I find useful to see how engaged people are with Loomio.


john gieryn Tue 10 Sep 2019 12:44AM

likely low priority:

I checked my notifications in FF on Android (mobile) but Loomio 2.0 did not register that I'd seen those notifications. Result: I went onto desktop and it said I had two notifications, I checked them and was confused as I'd already seen them


Michael Mon 9 Sep 2019 8:30PM

Timepoll outcome preview email did not display.

However the outcome email with calendar invitation worked fine.


Greg Kan Sun 8 Sep 2019 11:00PM

recently fixed/addressed:

  • double click to edit contexts

  • dont redirect people to the poll page, unless you're gonna fix it

  • notice on edit proposal about new proposals for interations, edit for clarifications and typos.

  • support proposals for comment only

  • notification history for a comment

  • allow different proposal types

  • fix guest editing comment

  • fix sidebar not showing all groups

  • fix anonymous poll vote display

  • fix attachments not appearing in discussion context

  • fix notification history not showing when event has no notifications


Rob Guthrie Fri 6 Sep 2019 6:02AM

Interesting fact, if you paste a link, rather than typing it, it will be automagically linked.


Rob Guthrie Thu 5 Sep 2019 8:28PM

Fair enough!


Graham Thu 5 Sep 2019 3:27PM

If I write a URL in a post I'd expect that to be automagically clickable by anyone reading that post and not have to explicitly make it into a link.


Rob Guthrie Thu 5 Sep 2019 8:26PM

Good questions.

  1. We need to the "Explore" page back in, which is an index of publicly findable groups. It's on the list.

  2. I'm still learning how to name "groups" properly. People often start a new parent group when they mean to start a subgroup, so we tried calling it organization, because that's what the group is supposed to represent, which might have helped with that, but it means we're using two terms for the same thing, which is bad. Thinking about alternatives.

I'm sure that in a few months we'll allow multiple levels of subgroup. From there we'll allow users to move groups around the tree.


Graham Thu 5 Sep 2019 3:11PM

Couple of questions:

  1. How do I search Loomio to find open 'groups' that I could read or apply to join? I can't find any UI to list or search stuff that I'm not already part of.

  2. Nomenclature: I'm seeing the word 'group' used in the UI, but not clear what it refers to. At the bottom of my list of stuff on the left hand side I see a thing that seems to be inviting me to create a "New organization". Is that different from a 'group'?


Rob Guthrie Tue 17 Sep 2019 7:15AM

We've replaced it with an effect perhaps even more startling! It's getting closer though.


Richard D. Bartlett Mon 16 Sep 2019 1:46PM

wow that orange is intense!


Rob Guthrie Thu 5 Sep 2019 5:37AM

update 2019-09-05

  • double click to edit context

  • clear pageError if route changes

  • put video into welcome modal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXdl2Oon7bs)

  • show if user is on 2.0 in admin panel

  • fix outcome notification history

  • alert on proposal edit that you should close and new for significant changes (Editing is only recommended for minor changes or fixing spelling errors, for significant changes, close the poll and start a new one)

  • use orange for unread highlight

  • dont send reminders unless its to a formal group

  • warn if only 1 coordinator (but more than 1 member) of a group

  • put discussion context below the poll in the email.

  • link to use loomio 2 from loomio 1

  • show timezone on user profile

As we mentioned in another thread: Deluxe notifications are here

There is a new group navigation drawer and I'm keen to hear how you find it.

Too many fixes to mention actually xx


Rob Guthrie Fri 8 Nov 2019 3:05AM

This jumping to the correct place is fixed now! ..and I'm really happy with the fix.

The last remaining problem in this space is there are still times when stuff loading above pushes the focused comment off screen... but that's a different issue.


Rob Guthrie Thu 5 Sep 2019 8:18PM

Sorry for the delay in fixing this, I'm working on some other areas right now. Thread rendering/navigation will be given time next week.


Graham Thu 5 Sep 2019 3:29PM

I'm still seeing this in Safari (I reported something like this weeks ago), although it seems to work better with FF.


john gieryn Thu 5 Sep 2019 12:34AM

I click a notification, "PersonX replied to your comment" and i do not arrive to said comment in FF

I then click "Unread" and I do make it to said comment,
although it's one I'd already read :/


john gieryn Thu 5 Sep 2019 12:48AM

similar but maybe different as I believe I navigated to this poll by clicking the link (in another platform):

FFBug: Time poll vote leads to error. All I did was select options and hit vote.

(ir)relevant context: I was the initiator of this time poll, but I went to vote a day later… ca


Michael Tue 3 Sep 2019 12:24AM

Timepoll - after sending invitations, I tried to vote in the timepoll and the following screen appeared. I had to refresh the page to see my active timepoll, and then I could vote...


Greg Kan Mon 2 Sep 2019 9:17PM

after having invited a new user to group, members directory list does not populate with new record


Rob Guthrie Mon 2 Sep 2019 2:49AM

Feels like we're getting pretty close to a release now. Check the "deluxe notifications" thread out for a tour of the new notification features.

links open in new window

  • insert link submit on enter

  • show if subscribed to thread

  • thread item: top line text bottom line buttons

  • Beginning, End rather than context, latest?

  • see when thread/poll/mention notifications were sent and if they've been read

  • see preview of notification email before you send them out

  • show "subscribed" or "not subscribed" to updates on thread page. explain if you'll get announcements.


john gieryn Sun 1 Sep 2019 10:55PM

Can't react to thread (contexts) in FF. I press button (from the dropdown) and nothing happens


Greg Kan Mon 2 Sep 2019 9:55PM

hey @Joriam Philipe i tried logging into one of your test accounts but i could not replicate it! can you please state each step that leads you to this problem? i tried logging in and logging out and everything seemed to be there. i repeated this process again with creating a new thread and then logging out and in again too.


Joriam Philipe Sat 31 Aug 2019 3:30PM

Oh btw @Rob Guthrie

If you wanna test it out, the fake accounts are:

The password is always preste1234


Joriam Philipe Sat 31 Aug 2019 3:12PM

Threads and everything inside disappear!

The group still exists in all the 4 fake accounts I created to populate it — but it's always empty when I log in.

When I create a new thread it seems to function normally. I can comment, facilitate and edit it normally. I can even refresh the page and it seems it's all good.

But as soon as I log out (of any of the 4 accounts) the group 'resets' — that even includes member's pictures (though their names remain untouched)


Rob Guthrie Sat 31 Aug 2019 1:30PM

What the???

Groups and threads are just disappearing after log out??


Joriam Philipe Sat 31 Aug 2019 12:41PM

Update on the bug mentioned above:

I tried to create new threads for this same example-group. The threads get created and I can start decisions and comment inside — but as soon as I log out they vanish.

It's impossible to work with this group =/


Joriam Philipe Fri 30 Aug 2019 7:34PM

I created a Time Poll and added a couple of date options. I noticed every time I created a date, a new blank 'option' would show too. I tried to delete them pressing the 'x' button, but they didn't go away, so I just ignored them.

When I click to post the Time Poll, something went very wrong. All my group's threads immediately vanished from the home page and group home page. When I click to load 'recent threads' it loads forever and never shows any results. The only place I can still see the name of my former threads is the notifications menu — and I noticed all my team's photos have vanished as well.

I somehow touched some software uranium when I was creating that time poll — and I was not doing anything unusual at all!

The name of the group is PlasticFree Ocean. Here's some post-disaster reference print screens:


Richard D. Bartlett Fri 30 Aug 2019 12:20PM

I love that I can swipe open the drawers on both sides!


Richard D. Bartlett Fri 30 Aug 2019 12:11PM

Layout bug on beta


Greg Kan Fri 30 Aug 2019 2:02AM

poll page has no edit vote button


Greg Kan Fri 30 Aug 2019 1:57AM

when in the middle of dot vote, sliders reset to 0. unknown conditions


Rob Guthrie Thu 29 Aug 2019 10:11PM

Done recently:

  • poll title is hidden on poll page

  • need confidence that calendar event function works

  • remove slack/install slack are swapped

  • invite guest to thread is broken. clicking link in email gives permission denied

  • org setup wizard

  • ask new users to set a profile picture if they don't have one

  • Add subgroup button


Connor Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:47PM

You can enclose the URL in backticks like this


to get a one-liner in the code block.

Also, the problem is caused by the second underscore, as enclosing text in underscores is the markdown notation for italics.

It seems that markdown auto-interpretation should be suspended when a link is detected. (Which it is detected, because it is linked automatically.)


john gieryn Tue 27 Aug 2019 5:57AM

I pasted the url 


Aside, minor note
I really tried to pull the "I pasted the url" out of the code block but there was no way to do so if I wanted it above/before the url


Rob Guthrie Tue 27 Aug 2019 5:41AM

Hrrmm. Could you please explain what you've done there.


john gieryn Tue 27 Aug 2019 5:30AM

Links with underscores have problems in FF



john gieryn Mon 26 Aug 2019 1:11AM

Unclear what time was chosen;

when I checked with Michael, he responded to say "Tuesday 2.30pm. I added a calendar invitation to the outcome. Did it not come through?" ← I'm imagining he set the outcome using 2.0 given that I could not see the chosen time in 1.0 neither


john gieryn Thu 22 Aug 2019 11:51PM

In case it was intended, in FF a mouseover doesn't give Alt-text of the group's name


Rob Guthrie Tue 20 Aug 2019 8:04PM

Thanks Mike,

The logos, without titles are likely here to stay, but I'll fix the tooltip so they're more easily identified. We also have a group setup wizard on the way to ensure people set logo images for their organisation.

Request for keyboard shortcut to toggle sidebar recorded.

I'll make the icons a touch darker, try making the lines a little shorter and the font a touch smaller.


mike_hales Tue 20 Aug 2019 10:05AM

Loomio 2.0 looks very clean and lovely 🙂 Four initial typography/usability responses . .

1 Menu sidebar no longer shows titles of groups, just logos. Logos (tiny logos!) are not really distinctive enough to serve on their own, titles please too. It's the alphabetic ordering of titles that reveals the structure of the listing. Sometimes the title is revealed on mouse-over (group page?) but not always (thread page).

PS In earlier Loomio, the sidebar would appear and disappear with an 's' keypress. Would be nice to have this in Loomio 2.0.

2 On the group home page, names of tabs are so faint it's hard to read them. More distinct name format please.

PS Icons in text editor toolbar are a bit on the grey side too. Blacker please? I have older eyes!

3 Line length in posts is very long and thus hard to fluently scan in blocks of text. Default legible line length of body text in book typesetting is 65-70 characters per line. I make the current Loomio 2.0 line about 90 characters. Shorter default length please.

4 Not sure about this yet but the font size and white space in comments seems to result in fewer comments visible in a window than in Loomio1; thus more scrolling. More visible, less scrolling, is better. Squeeze things up a bit please? Especially if you shorten line length!

Keep it coming! Thanks


john gieryn Sun 18 Aug 2019 1:13AM

Not sure if this screenshot, taken after trying to react to my own comment, helps: Not saying I need/want to be able to react to my own comment – I don't think I've ever had the desire/ seen the need – but the dropdown (comment options) do say "react" and then nothing happens when I hit the button


john gieryn Sun 18 Aug 2019 1:10AM

Can't add a reaction to a thread context nor this comment in FF

Previously mentioned emoji stuff in FF (in case they fell off the list) :

Also it's very strange to react with a :slight_smile: and the app to display the reaction as a grinning face. When I put the emoji into the text box I get it like normal 🙂; but I'll react to this comment and I'm curious how it will appear to others (I see it as a 😄)

Not sure if this is priority, but eventually FF emojis would look better if displayed as a consistent set, not some yellow faces and some outlines


Jody Connor Thu 15 Aug 2019 11:58PM

Notifications settings - looks a bit hinky. I think that's the technical term? ;o) Are the 'edit' buttons supposed to sit like that?


Joriam Philipe Thu 15 Aug 2019 7:30PM

/\ Ok, new 'bug' (???)

Vertical images become uncomfortably big.


Rob Guthrie Wed 14 Aug 2019 11:18PM

Done as of 2019-08-15

  • global search

  • disable or implement recaptcha on signup

  • show thread title on the card until it's scrolled off the screen

  • Upgrade button and subscription features

  • Ctrl+Enter should save Save/Post/etc.

And other things..


Rob Guthrie Mon 12 Aug 2019 7:54PM

Thanks for that, I'll check it out today


john gieryn Mon 12 Aug 2019 4:43PM

In Beta 89 I'm struggling to figure out how to do this (Firefox and Chromium)


Rob Guthrie Thu 8 Aug 2019 10:22PM

You can! Try it -> Remove from timeline


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:22PM

As a coordinator I would like the ability to unpin a Facilitation event (eg, poll) from the timeline so that I can really curate an easy way for latecomers to jump into the action

¿low importance/ for down the road / perhaps already on your mind?


john gieryn Sun 18 Aug 2019 1:07AM

oh yea (so nice that now it compiles Members, polls, etc; big improvement IMO)

what about "Group and subgroups" or something like this? "All (group with subgroups)" … i dunno… "My groups" may still be the winner thus far


Rob Guthrie Tue 13 Aug 2019 7:12PM

yah! except it's more than just threads..


john gieryn Tue 13 Aug 2019 3:53PM

Sweet; I like this approach… reminded me of the way I can access "All inboxes" in my android gmail app

Maybe "All threads"?


Rob Guthrie Mon 12 Aug 2019 7:56PM

Maybe it should be call "Combined" .. I don't know


Rob Guthrie Mon 12 Aug 2019 7:55PM

@John Gieryn Ok so we're live with a feature for this. "My groups" shows threads from all groups you belong to within the organisation.

Impressions welcome


Rob Guthrie Thu 8 Aug 2019 10:22PM

That is coming.


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:20PM

I wonder if it'll be important to reinstate the ability to see subgroup posts on the parent organization pg (thread tab); I have to do extra clicks to make sure I've seen all content I might need to see from my team unless I use the Unread page (I only started using this feature after 1.5-2 years of Loomio use)


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:18PM

Links don't open a new tab, eg Joriam's links in the context of the thread for "What's New in Loomio 2.0"


Rob Guthrie Thu 8 Aug 2019 10:21PM

Alt mode is me testing two different diffing algorithms, on production, over time. I think the first one gives a more readable result. What do you think?


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:17PM

Curious what "alt mode" is (tick box when I go to Edit History of a thread)


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:16PM

When I've selected the "Facilitate" tab in a thread, clicking "Add comment" doesn't switch it back to "Comment" (likely of little importance: ideally my text-cursor would automatically be in the comment box after clicking)


Greg Kan Tue 13 Aug 2019 8:22PM

very very weird. i have loaded it up in firefox and can see no arrows anywhere!


john gieryn Mon 12 Aug 2019 4:28PM

on my to-do list now; but if this gets you there in the meantime — in my Firefox they're just to the right (or even in the form) where the number of items to rank is listed as you edit the poll


Greg Kan Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:43PM

yooo @John Gieryn there aren't any up-down arrows in this poll. please share a screenshot if possible!


john gieryn Thu 8 Aug 2019 4:14PM

In rank choice poll creation/editing, clicking the up-down arrows (UI elements) does not alter the number of choices to rank


Greg Kan Wed 7 Aug 2019 4:57AM

Done as of 2019-08-07

  • slack integration

  • inline translation

  • teams integration setup

  • enable changing group cover image and logo, user profile photo

  • allow recactions on outcomes.

  • the text I'm typing can disappear off the bottom of the screen, instead of the page automatically shunting up when my cursor moves to a new line.


Greg Kan Tue 6 Aug 2019 9:56PM

Invitation form confuses invitations to join group with invitations to participate in a poll/thread, i.e. if your group is out of invitations (for new members), the form does not allow you to invite people to participate in a poll/thread.


Rob Guthrie Tue 6 Aug 2019 4:11AM

Done as of 2019-08-06

  • fix select dropdown is annoying on announcement form

  • Error: Cannot find module './client.pt-BR.yml'

  • score poll voting not working - maybe errors for this from joriam

  • ticking "Notify me…" in poll settings should not change the time that the poll ends

  • remove serviceworker from angular


Graham Tue 6 Aug 2019 11:43AM

It works better with Firefox, so maybe it is in part browser-specific. My problem with using Loomio with Firefox is that with the login process that Loomio uses, Firefox doesn't remember my credentials and so I have to look them up. Safari on the other hand does remember my login, so I tend to use Safari for Loomio.


Rob Guthrie Mon 5 Aug 2019 11:51PM

Thanks for sharing the annoyance - and sorry!

The "taking you to the right place" problem is something we'll have another pass at.

The problem is content is loading above where we took you to, and it is stretching the page, pushing your desired content down below the viewport. I'll take some time to address this soon. There are a couple of ways to approach the problem.

In terms of number 2, I wonder if that's just a bad internet connection or something. Please keep an eye on it and let me know if the condition changes.


Danyl Strype Mon 5 Aug 2019 4:24PM

I'm having the same issues in ABrowser on GNU/Linux.


Graham Mon 5 Aug 2019 11:31AM

This is using Safari on MacOS.


Graham Mon 5 Aug 2019 11:30AM

Here's another one - part of the really annoying inability of Loomio 2 to put me where I need to be in a thread. I see a notification in the top right. I click on the notification, on the assumption that it will take me to the place I need to be to see the specifics of the notification and respond to it. In recent days I've seen two things happen:

  1. I'm taken to the thread, where for a brief moment I can see the comment or whatever that the notification is linked to, but then the page takes me away from that location and I have to then scroll through the thread to re-find my spot. Mega-annoying.

  2. More recently the page is only half-loading, and I'm shown a page that is just a series of numbered boxes, and nothing happens. I've tried to attach a screendump to illustrate this but it looks like it is not uploading - had to remove that in order to activate the 'Post' button


Rob Guthrie Thu 25 Jul 2019 5:36AM

Done today (available in beta 72)

  • pin comment to timeline if it has a heading

  • put unread indicator back (and include nice fade out when read)

  • z-index bug with ranked choice

  • after editing a comment the button should read "Save" not "Post"

  • X remove - capture dismiss on chip slot

  • clicking title of thread in toolbar should scroll to top


Laurène - ZD Nice Sun 8 Dec 2019 10:23PM

Oye 🤗 I don't know if something has been done yet, but the 'text emoticon' is still there today. Just let me know if you need more details 👍


Rob Guthrie Tue 3 Dec 2019 5:59PM

it's really incredible how much a screenshot helps me understand the problem. Thank you. We should get this fixed today.


Laurène - ZD Nice Tue 3 Dec 2019 4:04PM

thanks 🤗 let me know when it is ok, I'll check. Cause now it appears like that (see picture) and there is no equivalent in the actual emoticon library


Rob Guthrie Mon 2 Dec 2019 12:40AM

Oh, I understand. Thanks for reporting it, we'll fix that too.🔧


Laurène - ZD Nice Sun 1 Dec 2019 10:09PM

Hi @Rob Guthrie, I have the same problem of former Loomio 1.0 emoticons shown as "arrow_right". On july you wrote 'let me know the text' to fix it. I hope it still possible ;-) Thanks a lot 😘


Rob Guthrie Wed 24 Jul 2019 7:20PM

Yikes! I'll get onto these! 🙏

Initial triage of the list:

  • I'll look into add link on firefox - it sounds buggy

  • I'll def fix upload progress bar

  • Each time emoticons show up as text, let me know the text and I'll fix it.

  • I'm super surprised editing Loomio 1.0 text failed. Try it again today, I've implemented a converter so you get WYSIWYG editing of 1.0 text. Screenshot if it's still weird.

  • I'll look into score poll voting not working. I have recorded app errors from you.

  • Did the choice loading reload the app, or did it just take a breather for some reason.

  • X to remove option will be fixed

  • Ranked choice Zindex will be fixed

  • I'm surprised about losing your place while linking... It does not move the screen... what's going on I wonder? A video would be very helpful

  • Heading text buttons are for lines of text only. That's just how they are.


Joriam Philipe Wed 24 Jul 2019 6:32PM

Well, just spent a whole bunch of hours fiddling with the beta to record videos — and found some bugs/weird things. I was using Firefox on a Macbook Pro (screen resolution 2880 x 1800).

Here they are:

Unresponsive "add link": most of the times, adding a link in the thread editor works, sometimes it just doesn't. I click apply and nothing happens (even the link window doesn't close, it just sits there)

Invisible loading bar: the files are uploaded alright, but I can't see the progress. It always goes from zero to done, even with 20mb files that take more than a minute to up

Temperamental italic and bold buttons: sometimes (1 out of 15 +-) the buttons just don't work. I click, nothing happens happens. At first I thought it was my mistake, but I had recorded footage to prove I actually clicked the right place

Time poll bad layout: the time polls here are a designer's nightmare, as seen here

Selection bug with "add link": in the thread and comment editor, I select the word I want to turn into a link, then I click the link icon on top of it, it opens this window asking for the url, I ctrl+V an url — but the copied text doesn't go to the new window, but it's added to the text I was editing, thus deleting the word I was trying to link

Loomio 1.0 emoticons showing as weird text: former Loomio 1.0 checkbox emoticons are shown as "white_check_mark"

Editing Loomio 1.0: I tried to edit an Assembly Sprint thread just to remove the "white_check_mark" and use a thread as an example. Everything went to hell after that, the text was all weird and full of weird marks. Had to go back to Loomio 1.0 to fix it.

Score decision sometimes won't let me vote: once I tried to create a Score decision and it just didn't let me vote, just showing me a weird letter thing. I took a pic. When I tried again, it worked

Choice loading time: not exactly a bug, but I noticed in the video editor that when I clicked to create a new choice decision, it loaded for almost 7 whole seconds. It felt like a lot

Ranked option creation, "x" is not deleting: While creating a ranked choice decision, I tried to delete one of my tentative choices before posting by clicking the "X" symbol next to it, but nothing happened. When I clicked any other part of the tentative choice, it would delete it, just the "X" didn't work

Unvoted ranked choices overlap text: as seen here

After adding a link, I don't know where I'm at: just after adding a link to a specific word in the text editor, when I go back to the text, I'm not seeing what I left behind (not sure if it's the text selection that moves or just the scroll). In bigger texts like this comment, this makes me confused

Headings text buttons affect everything: the H1 H2 H3 heading text buttons turn 100% of the text into heading, not just my selection


Rob Guthrie Wed 24 Jul 2019 7:26PM

Thanks Graham. I'm not quite sure how to solve this yet. I'll think it over.


Graham Wed 24 Jul 2019 10:42AM

Using the little notification thing top right I can click on a notification and it takes to the right place in the relevant thread, for a second or two, then the rest of the content on that thread/page appears to populate the page, and I'm now looking at some other part of that thread (presumably an older part), so I then have to manually scroll to find the bit that the notification was about. Very annoying, especially when I can see that Loomio knows where I should be in the thread. Using Safari on MacOS.


Rob Guthrie Wed 24 Jul 2019 9:40AM

Process improvement: I'll move done items to comments each day or so. Here's initial commit.

Done 2019-07-24

  • sticky formatting toolbar

  • banner over thread when there is an active poll that you have not voted on

Done 2019-07-23

  • remove allow public threads, thread privacy from 2.0

  • allow editing title/role on memberships

  • pin/unpin item on timeline

  • disable forms while submitting

  • editing a thread in a Secret group, the message tells me it is a Public thread

  • join group button does not disappear after joining group

  • position mention dropdown better

  • performance is not a valid option https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/talk/issues/10563/

  • cancel reply

  • display a label on rich text fields

  • add table support to editor, clean up menu behaviour

  • implement htmldiff viewer in revision history

Done 2019-07-19

  • lineheight: of headings

  • nested replies attached to the wrong comments

  • text editor creating a link is broken, should use floating toolbar?

  • fix uploaded images when they arrive as an email

  • remove expand/contract for now

  • floating or always visible formatting toolbar

Done 2019-07-18

  • show dismiss and mute on thread preview on desktop

  • attempt to fix comment landing on previously viewed thread

  • sign in modal - legal accept text needs v-html

  • TypeError: i["a"].goTo is not a function. https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/loomio-org/issues/10556/

  • much better handling of locale files

Done 2019-07-16

  • enable support for other languages (and translation of dates)

Done 2019-07-15

  • upgrade date display (relative if today, day + month if this year, iso stamp otherwise)

  • still trying to resolve jump to thread position

Done 2019-07-12

  • unify format for actiondock and dropdown menus

  • bring notify button to contexts, polls, outcomes (+people icon)

  • make it possible to delete active polls

Done 2019-07-11

  • add user id to sentry

Done 2019-07-10

  • live update of changes is not happening

  • remove scroll to on post comment

  • scroll to requested position when loading thread with comment, sequence id

  • put styles back on load more buttons

  • render notifications on client rather than server

  • increase Rails.application.secrets.maxmessagelength

  • bug when inviting people by email https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/talk/issues/10440/

  • allow customizable theme colours via env

Done 2019-07-09

  • Pin thread should be on group page threads list

  • fix tags not showing up on group page filters

  • Can't embed links in Firefox MAY BE FIXED UPSTREAM

  • Use something better than a v-list on notifications

  • dont show invite/notify modal after editing a thread (john: I like this feature, in case this just got edited outside of my meaning → I was just asking for the modal text to read "Notify of edits" instead of "Invite to thread")

  • Re-add horizontal bar to formatting features? (would be nice!) MORE INFO PLEASE

Done 2019-07-08

  • Unread button shows -1 when thread is read.

  • uploading images/files is sometimes broken: TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined when uploading images via dnd add files and imageFiles arrays to defaults on models with attachments

  • scroll to comment after you post a reply

  • dont show invite to thread modal after editing thread.

  • validate stance reason and display failure to user

  • Load earlier activity might want top padding/margin?

  • WYSIWYG edit buttons don't stay at the top of my comment box; for long comments I have to scroll all the way up if I want to, say, add a checkbox to a new line - edit buttons moved to bottom

  • Can't add attachment upon editing this thread's context (no paperclip icon to be found)

  • Editing a comment posted in Loomio 1.0, the attached image does not appear and I cannot paste in a new image https://www.loomio.org/d/xOocrpB1/loomio-2-0-releases/106


Matthew Bartlett Sat 13 Jul 2019 6:07AM

Though I'm enjoying interacting this thread, it doesn't turn up in my Recent Threads


Jody Connor Thu 18 Jul 2019 10:10PM

Pretty sure this is because john 'pinned' it.


Matthew Bartlett Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:35AM

I don't know what it means that john's comment is in that right-hand menu. Perhaps the facilitator is particularly drawing it to my attention?


Rob Guthrie Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:42AM

yeah, nah, i get it. I guess I'm wondering if I can invent new meaning with this as my grudging argument.


Matthew Bartlett Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:34AM

Yeah the awkwardness might be in my head only


Rob Guthrie Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:31AM

Oh, I guess so. I've always thought people used them to return to where they had gotten up to.


Matthew Bartlett Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:30AM

Mmm… tells me I've made a choice at some past time to save my spot. That's a similar vibe I suppose.


Rob Guthrie Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:19AM

Yes... What does a bookmark tell you though? (when used in a book)


Matthew Bartlett Fri 12 Jul 2019 5:11AM

Idea, for what it's worth: replace the unread icon, which feels really bookmarky to me, with the unread message count in a circle.


john gieryn Wed 10 Jul 2019 4:03PM

Number of check poll responses not centered in the icon:


john gieryn Wed 10 Jul 2019 3:54PM

:star: from 1.0 not working


john gieryn Wed 10 Jul 2019 2:42PM

Is there a way to see who have been invited to a thread? What "Thread participants" used to communicate?


Luke Flegg Mon 8 Jul 2019 9:50AM

Loomio: It's a little unclear to me whether I'm commenting specifically ON my poll, or just generally in this thread full of polls and chat.

Also, I wanted to edit (re-word) some of the poll options while I was adding them, but clicking on options I've written just instantly deleted them. It's a bit annoying and reminds me of the bastardy way Gmail (until very recently) didn't let you edit email addresses after you've entered them into the 'To:' field. They just become an object you have to delete and type again from scratch.

Trusting we'll get Ctrl+Enter back for submitting as well? Think I saw that on the roadmap :)

All in all ruddy exciting


john gieryn Fri 5 Jul 2019 1:58PM

Worth changing the message here to something like "No results returned for your search"? The italicised info is also eye catching but probably low priority


Michael Thu 4 Jul 2019 2:30AM

When looking for the number of people in a group, I noticed some formatting oddity


Richard D. Bartlett Tue 9 Jul 2019 7:19AM

My hunch is there is an "affirmative no" which is different from "passive no". I'm guessing some of the passive No's are actually If-Need-Be's. Happy to wait and see if this is a real problem or if I just made it up.


Rob Guthrie Wed 3 Jul 2019 8:27PM

I'm not sure we're on the same page.

People don't actually choose No, all bars would be the same length if we included no votes. Is this what you want?


Richard D. Bartlett Wed 3 Jul 2019 8:55AM

hey @Robert Guthrie I think I want to see the "no" votes on the time poll results.

If Option A has 2 greens and 3 yellows, and Option B has 3 greens and 3 reds, I want to pick Option A. But the results chart only shows me greens and yellows so Option B will look more attractive.


Rob Guthrie Wed 3 Jul 2019 1:52AM

Thank you. Yet to fix but on the list


Rob Guthrie Tue 2 Jul 2019 4:44AM

Fixed today:

  • max width on link text in lmotextarea

  • make more recent sutff higher rank (will make it higher still in next release)

  • fix hugging face reaction

  • autofocus comment field when replying

  • fix discussion form privacy radio buttons

  • make thread "load more, previous" correct when deleting a reply

  • fix checkboxes!

  • fix check boxes

  • yep they're fixed

  • great!

  • fix group icon in navbar

  • fix add options on timepoll


Rob Guthrie Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:49AM

yep, we can add tallies.

Add option works well for other poll types. We'll sort time poll add option tomorrow.


Rob Guthrie Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:46AM

Here's a list of stuff fixed recently:

fix errors when editing time poll stance

fix meeting vote form

fix score poll edit vote form

fix proposal chart. include my stance in events. make selected propos… …

prevent deleting optins that have been voted for, and make em colourful

fix closing at hour on poll form

single poll modal with fixed titles

remove poll common form options component (replaced by comboboxes)

fix add options to poll, fix poll vote form

fix file attachments on poll

fix overflow on timezone list

use v-select rather than v-combobox on proposal and count

fix notifications clearing when clicked and make badge nice

fix paste into lmo-textarea

update scroll position when context comes into view


Matthew Bartlett Fri 28 Jun 2019 12:31AM

Really excited by this @robertguthrie . 1000 congratulations on getting to this point. Looking forward to having a play.


Mary O' Keeffe Thu 27 Jun 2019 10:57PM

I'm soooo excited to be in Beta!! Thanks @Robert Guthrie and @gregkan for all your hard work!! 🙏