@Rob Guthrie I wish to propose some improvements for a better usability on the home page. It's unclear that the group you start is not free, but is a time limited trial. You have to add more explanations. First I propose to add a "Features" link to a page on the top-right, between "Blog" and "Help" links. On the "Features" page you need to explain syntetically the Loomio features, already explained in the "Help" page with an explanation of different features of different plans. Second I propose to add a subtitle to the button linked to /start_group and to the text "Start a group for free" with this text: "Try a Loomio 14 days' free trial and then update to one of our paid plans" with link to "Prices" page.

OK PESKY TABLES ARE FINALLY FIXED IN 2.0.61

this is an issue with our text editor and an upgrade with a fix is incoming. hopefully i can deploy this today

no apparent way to merge cells in table FF | OS X

initials display strangely (stacked) in reply:

not to mention @Rob Guthrie 's genius deep problem solving 🧠🧠🧠🎊

PS. feel better soon matey!

Greg on fire 🔥🔥🔥🚀

recent fixes and updates:

• fixed group attachments (from comments and group description) not showing up in files panel

• removed mute/unmute thread actions

• fixed outcome not updating after editing

• fixed broken notification links involving memberships

• fixed pin thread modal missing helptext

• made user profile page look less offensive

• fixed broken group links on user profile page

i get logged out if I try to use my google photo period from incognito window

from FF (logged in, non-incognito) | OS X
I don't have any problems

More bug in this area

• Retried the process with one variation I mentioned above: logged into google then tried to Sign in with Google
  and additional variation signing up from link inviting me to vote on a poll

  • Got same result, looping behavior, my pre-populated email address stays in the form "or, enter your email"

So I logged in by email and encountered related bug #2:

1. Clicked the "get photo from Google account"

2. Loomio reloaded back to the Sign in page (without my email pre-populated)

@Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan

yep same issue FF (incognito window) | OS X

1. I click sign in by Google

2. Prompted to log into Google and I log into account (Note: this account email has a Loomio profile, but set up to log in with password)

3. Loomio returns me to the Sign in modal

let me know if you need to test other cases such as 1.) already signed into Google, and 2.) trying to sign up with an google account where the @gmail.com email is not already associated to a Loomio account

hey @John Gieryn , weirdly this is all working for me today, both signing in to an existing account with google, and signing up to a new account with google. can you try again?

Bug when I try to sign up with a Google account:

1. I click sign up by Google

2. I choose a Google account that doesn't have a Loomio user account

3. I get a 400

4. Afterwards, if I try to click Sign in with Google the page reloads and shows me the sign in modal again

@Rob Guthrie I spoke to Greg about this in-person FWIW

is there meant to be an in-app notification when a user has been invited to a group? currently it doesn't show up, and is of type "groupAnnounced" rather than "userAddedToGroup"

this is currently the intended behaviour

you see groups you've been invited to (and are able to participate in them) despite not having accepted the invitation

previewing announcement emails is broken

fixed in 2.0.48 (incoming)

YESSS so great ! It's ok now for Safari browser 👏 thank you guy's ! 😘

hi @Laurène Ghiglia - ZD Nice , the same fix has now been applied to safari!

Oh, that's news to us. Thanks for saying!

in fact I'm working on Safari 😉 so the problem of making things twice is still there. But ok when I work on firefox it appears below 👍 good job ! Let's do the same for safari ? 😆

hi @Laurène Ghiglia - ZD Nice, you can now find the bold, italicize, underline and strikethrough commands on the menu below, instead of the floating menu, for Firefox (as the floating menu seems to be broken on Firefox). please refresh the page if you don't see this change!

Thank you for the detailed report, Laurène. Very helpful!

We notice that the problem is only happening on Firefox browsers. We hope to fix this as soon as we can and will update here as we do.

Hi every one. Sorry if my english is not so good, I do my best (I'm from France).

Thank you @Michael Elwood-Smith to invite me to share my feedback here 🤗

Today I wanted to share some experience with italic/blod button. I've already search in the discussion and find a comment of @Joriam Philipe from juillet 24, on the same problem. So I made a screen video capture 😎

In fact, each time i want to apply the italic or bold effect I need to do twice to obtain the result. It's the same when I want to add a link :

• I underline the text I want to modify, I click the icon and nothing happens 😟

• So I try to find the toolbox by moving the mouse over the underlined text, but never reappears, unless I click right on the underlined text 🤔

• Then I do the manip an other time... underline my text to modify... click the icon... AND oh miracle : then it works ! 😆

Is it possible to fix this little bug please, in the goal to make the manip once ? and also maybe to have the toolbox always appearing (for exemple with emoticon et others buttons below) because like that it is not very intuitive I think 😉

mute/unmute actions removed in 2.0.46

Still an option from Unread and Recent threads page/ 'thread preview'

oh.. I thought we'd removed the Mute action actually.

No.

The only reason I can think of this being a slight priority is that if I accidentally mute the wrong thread then I have to go try and figure out which group page it's related to

yea, it's gone. The intention is to show "subscribed" threads in the interface shortly. Are you saying there are muted threads you're no longer able to access?

How do I see what threads I have muted? No more mute page?

fixed broken notification links involving membership status/role

can confirm that the notification's link for admin role is broken

Clicking the notification "[Name] made you an admin of [Group]" gives me an error:

We were unable to find that. It may have been deleted or moved.

At the moment, I don't see the group that I was invited to... now going into my email I see there's the email inviting me to be part of the group but I did not receive a notification of this within the app

Will refresh and try again, then will click "accept via email" and then try again if that didn't work...

fixed

no, they should all appear there, thanks for the report

Nor do files attached to comments but I have an inkling that that was intentional (maybe the former was as well?0

Files attached to group context do not appear in loomio.org/group/files

fixed

Via Charley Davenport: Deleting the comment, it seemed to work with the black notification that it had been deleted. But then I had to refresh the screen for it to disappear off the conversation.

👌 FWIW you'll see followup from me on an email/ customer thread - I want to further gauge the need, or lack thereof, of company just getting going on Loomio (200 person business moving to teal)

yea, I'm eventually moving towards only having group privacy, so all threads in a group have the same privacy. otherwise it's too complex for users.

Is there no longer the ability to have open threads in a closed group? @Rob Guthrie

need to think about consumption of 'normal' youtube links and conversion to embed link

Problem with embedding a video. I tried both a Loom link and a Youtube link.

@Strypey @Rob Guthrie fix for broken notification links (to do with invitations) incoming in 2.0.54

The email notification had the correct URL.

Is this url from a notification in-app or via email?

From clicking on the bell icon in the app.

just encountered this bug. Thanks for reporting it.

De nada. Keep up the great bug squashing work :)

I just encountered this bug. Thanks for reporting it.

Is this url from a notification in-app or via email?

One issue I've come across is that I got a notification that my application to join a group was approved, but when I click on it, it doesn't take me to the group home page. The URL it points at is:
https://www.loomio.org/invitations/fmLQogo39BDBEgszhsBknruX

FYI I'm currently using 393 on my 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 (Trisquel 8.0 distribution), in Firefox 68.0.2 (ABrowser distribution).

Thanks for explaining. This might take a couple of days to resolve, but it's great to get it identified. Thanks

In this case it's after the fact — the important poll has closed, and I'm just want to know who on the board didn't participate (not re-invite them now as it's too late)

If you invite people, then there is an audience preset for people who have not voted.

How does that work for you?

I can't tell who hasn't yet voted on an open poll

fixed

Via @Malcolm Colman-Shearer

Just had a funny thing with a comment I was drafting up in Enspiral's Loomio then I scrolled down screen and when I came back... it was gone! /shrug 

Hi @Xavi , we no longer show this information, but instead we have a "Seen by" feature which details who has viewed a thread. You can access this by clicking the "Seen by X" below the discussion title:

List of members : how can I see how long ago each member did log in last time? It was possible in previous version. Thanks!

Today, I found that clicking the 'post' button in the comment editor produced no obvious result. When I clicked it the second time, the expected change in UI occurred, but then I noticed I had submitted the same comment twice. I've tried to delete the duplicates whenever this has happened but there may be places I didn't notice the problem and my comments appear twice.

Further experimentation with starting a new threads reveals a similar thing happening. The new thread is created when the relevant button is clicked, but the pop-up doesn't disappear. I clicked again and it still didn't disappear, but I could see the thread list in the background, and I noticed that my new thread had been created twice. In the end I had the close the pop-up manually and delete the duplicate thread.

not incomplete but the link as broken - fixed in 363

export poll functionality incomplete

embed/inline image button for text editor?

does not happen for greg or I on safari mobile

Not sure how to check... the most recent ios update one? I'm on an iphone 8

@Sukie Conley can i ask what version of safari you're on?

also...

safari

^ @Rob Guthrie @Greg Kan not as priority as the one above (one I'm replying to) but -- unrelated bug -- weird to copy an image, paste it and get two attachments in addition to the in-line

at least I'm 90% sure it's Chrome not Safari (checking back... cc @Sukie Conley )

Safari on iOS Can't type as the keyboard that pops up exceeds the window

possibly related: https://github.com/scrumpy/tiptap/issues/451

N.B. this is true of any of the actions that show up in the menu bubble after highlighting some text (only on FF)

FF on Mac OS X First attempt to link something (or make it bold by clicking) fails; second time works fine though. To reproduce:

1. Highlight a bit of text in a draft

2. Click on either the link icon or Bold icon that pops up near the highlighted text

fixed in 362

thread nav does not update when there are new events until refreshed; also does not update when order changes (newest first/oldest first)

@exstral found the pesky bug. fixed now

and we just had another report of this issue. I'll look into it harder!

So I've disabled the extension I use, Privacy Badger, and the built in tracking protection for Firefox. Saving a new profile picture is still broken.

We store uploads to amazon s3, maybe you're blocking that? Please do confirm if disabling your blocker fixes the issue.

We've made significant improvements to the thread code over the last 2 days, and i think that even this thread is much better to use.

Tried it also with Safari. Same problem. Maybe something that only happens with new users? I also have strict third party tracker blocking enabled in all browsers, in case you are using a third party for uploading the photos.

Yes problem is still there. Firefox 70.0.1. Tried a few photos, none works.

hi @exstral , can I ask what browser you're using? would you also be able to try this again and let me know if it still isn't working? i've been unable to reproduce this sadly :(

Hi! First impressions: Looks great! Although scrolling this long thread is incredibly slow and laggy.

Problem: I'm not able to upload a profile picture. I select a file on disk and the upload looks good, the image is shown in the profile info page. But when I click the "Update Profile" button, it reloads and the image is gone. Anyone else having this problem?

I just sent email notifications to one of my groups from the app. Worked fine. If my wife or I strike the issue again, I'll be sure to let you know :)

I just tested with 367, both clicking on a thread from a list, and clicking on a notification. Comments loaded both times. I'll let you know if I hit the problem again. BTW my wife hit the notify by email issue on Firefox 70.0.1 64-bit, on MacOS 10.12.6.

sorry, not the notifications crash. I mean the comments not rendering issue

quick question, does this still happen now (sidebar version 366 or higher)

I'm looking at Loomio.org using Firefox 68.0.2 64-bit (ABrowser distribution), on Ubuntu 16.04 64-bit (Trisquel 8.0 distribution). My wife is using Firefox on MacOSX. I'll need to check with her about what versions.

Thanks Strypey. We're unable to reproduce any crashing when adding people to be notified. What browser are you and your wife using?

When I started the thread about making the Loomio blog discoverable in the fediverse, I was accidentally allowed by a bug to email notify the group members of the new thread (sorry!). I noticed that trying to add the group's users in the notification window made the site hang, but as I mentioned in a comment there, I assumed that was because of the size of the group.

But my wife tried to do the same thing today in a group with only 16 members and the same thing happened. She had to cancel out of the pop-up and use 'invite members' to send email notifications to her group. Seems like there's a serious bug with that feature.

how are things going now (383+) ? lots more bugs resolved today.

Upon opening this thread, I don't see any comments. I assumed there weren't any, until I saw the tiny, greyed out text until the comment window saying "125 responses, newest first". When I clicked on the text, assuming that's what I'm meant to do to see the comments, I got a pop-up asking if I wanted to change the display (see attached screenshot):

This changes the layout for everyone, not just you.

Oldest or Newest first?

AFAIK I'm not an admin of this subgroup. Is it correct that I can change the layout for everyone? Also, is it a bug that I can't see the comments?

The rest of this comment assumes it's a feature, and includes a few thoughts about that. If the design goal for this is to get more responses to the OP before users start replying to each others' comments, making users to click to expose comments is probably a good way to do that.

However, if making the display of comments opt-in is a way to reduce load times for opening a thread, that's a good idea, but it might be better to have the notification about responses numbers displayed a bit more prominently? Maybe located between the Context Box and Comment Box, and/or in a more striking text font/size? FWIW allowing the text in the Context Box to be opened up from the thread list would be another way to allows users to browse those without loading comment threads.

Join group button needs thinking:

Thanks and please continue. I'm still fixing bigger issues, but this is helpful.

Micro frustration when writing a comment: I highlight some text, then I click the link icon to open the Insert Link modal. I put in the url and press Apply. It technically works fine, but there's no visual feedback that the link was inserted correctly, because the highlighted text looks the same as it did before it was a link.

Just mentioning in case there's an easy way to change this :)

Thanks David. Still discovering new things in the software one can do every day 😎

one can pin sidebar open from drop down menu top left...🤓

Some feedback on 2.0 from customer using Loomio in a board context:

• Would be useful if the side bar on left hand side could be permanently shown as in previous version (keeps closing)

• Previously the category tags were visible when looking at a group – they are not now which is very inconvenient as these tags were used to help the Board know what to read / how to action.

• Don't really like the feature where attachments show the first page as this looks messy when multiple attachments.

• It was useful that if you exited a thread before posting that the thread saved for next time you opened the thread.

This has to do with the initial setup for the rank poll, and the number of options you've decided need to be ranked:

Problem with the ranking numbers when 'Add another option' is used.  The new options did not get a rank number.

Time poll, adding times Chrome | Windows

The modal went below the screen → no access to the 'add' button,
and hitting Enter etc did not work

Wasn't on my computer so couldn't get any screenshots sorry

fact that may or may not be related: was duplicating screen onto a second display

this is all fixed now. thanks for the report

It should zoom automatically, but right now it only does this after you've scrolled over thread items. Thanks for the report.

I usually have a thread in groups where all the schedule and RSVP polls live. This seems to result in a quite busy/broken Context timeline for said threads. Example:

hi @Matthew Cropp, the issue is actually that this group does not allow members to add new members, but the shareable link button was still showing. a fix for this is coming.

if you want to share this group with someone, you can give them the link to the group itself (i.e. "https://www.loomio.org/community/") and then they can simply click the "join group" button as this is a public group.

Thanks for saying so. I'll look into it next week.

Tried to get the shareable link for this group, and it seemed to hand and fail to generate when I tried.

fixed

When voting on the score poll in awnTpVOv:

Feature request: the Video Embed feature should be able to eat a a link like this https://youtu.be/BVxXRvOQZTY and turn it into a link like https://youtube.com/embed/BVxXRvOQZTY

Right, got it. Some solution will come to mind soon. Thanks for reporting and making it super clear.

That video embed was working in the preview, but not in the published comment. Maybe because it is set to unlisted?

It is here: https://youtu.be/BVxXRvOQZTY

Not exactly a bug, but feels a bit broken: search.

First, I expect there to be a search bar on every screen. I can understand not including it on the thread page, but it seems weird to not have it on the Inbox as I think of that as my "Loomio home page".

More importantly though, the interaction design feels wacky. I recorded this video on my Macbook to illustrate the nuance:

My focus is in the search field, and when I type, the letters don't show up there. They show up in the address bar, which is quite disorienting. The content of the field only updates once the results are in. Intuitively, that feels back-to-front. What I expect to see is the text showing up in the search field, and then eventually the results come in and the URL is updated.

Maybe it would feel less weird if there was a delay, so the search operation is only triggered half a second after I type?

Bug: comment field loses focus.

Occasionally, when I'm writing a long comment on this thread specifically, the comment form loses focus, and my browser tells me it is waiting on ethercalc.org

I don't know how to reproduce it sorry, just logging it here to alleviate some of my frustration.

fixed!

correction: this occurs when a new thread has just been created, and a poll created right after that

gone since the rollback

poll not showing up in thread on creation

should be fixed now :)

Micro bug: I notice today there are a bunch of missing spaces in the app. E.g. on the Inbox, there should be a space between "2 replies" and "2 unread". Also in the sidebar, there should be a space between the group name and the number of notifications. Currently looks like: Loomio Community(4).

Not a bug, but some missing information.

I made a poll, and got a lot of responses. In this case it would be very useful to be able to see who were the two people that selected "I would like to lead the organising work."

Currently I can only find that info by scrolling through 27 responses.

Maybe it would be nice if I could click on the number "2" and it would expand with the names of the voters.

fixed

we're missing the green and orange blocks from timepoll! For you @Greg Kan ?

actually another neat concept exists here: https://larsjung.de/pagemap/

The thing is, we only know a few thing about the thread when the page is loaded. the number of depth 1 items. We fetch pinned items and draw them on, and we'll fetch unread items soon too.

Otherwise we just load enough items around your viewport so that if you scroll like most people do, it seems like everything is there most of the time.

Yea... it keeps growing until the minimum px between pinned items is met. There is a bug so that it does not resize initially, but I'll fix that.

If you space out your pins, the timeline will resize again.

I think the way I look at it is, your thread was completely unusable before.. now it's fairly accessible. It looks like there is corrupt data at the beginning that might need to be fixed one day.

Very soon I'll be highlighting unread sections on the timeline with orange blocks.. that's fairly certain and close.

It's also easy to imagine a future where we are placing author avatars on the left with reply author heads cascading to the right. Same for proposal icons etc

Ooh so it does! Now very tall — perhaps appropriate to this four-year-long discussion — though feels odd

image.png

Do it resize when you scroll?

d/2s6SRFfh

Thanks for naming it. goes straight into the list of things we'll work out how to fix then fix.

Here's the thinking on this:

You cant just add http:// to links that don't have it. the main protocol these days is https, but we don't know if that's right.

So the user really does need to specify the protocol part of the component... we can't reliably guess it.

In this case, we'll need to add https:// to any link that does not already contain //, but confirm that with the user when they press ok.

We should also add link previews, they're fairly standard these days and add some fun.

Do we have something about embedding URLs?

Every single time I create a link by selecting text, clicking the URL button and typing the URL

I have to manually type
http://
at the beginning

which is just a bit annoying and feels uncessary, but if I don't do it, Loomio breaks my link by adding an odd prefix to it

excuse me...gets straight talking engaged...i was referring to the sporadic lack of keyboard navigation. as per above...

lol, actually the lack of a lack but then further down the page after being to the bottom and coming back up searching for the new comment (hey, it's a friday night!), the lack came and 'click'went and came back and 'click'went...about the time your reply notification came through? (i eventually noticed...how about a dinky ping?)

hmmm...not really that much of a problem with the finish line in sight...or is programming ever really finished?🐎

I enjoyed reading your comment, but I have no idea what it means.

seems to flow at all times now...did u give infinity a stern talking to?

good chap...also thanks for calling my refusal to upgrade... sophisticated.

💾🗿

i have now... kutgw.

Did you discover how to pin it open if you want?

it is good in loomio 2 that cntrl+click to open in another tab works does not activate the link in both tabs as it seemed to with v.1. that may just a sidebar thang. and the sidebar closing every screen change has cured me of my habit of leaving it open....

the usual home, end, pg up down and arrow keys...this relatively minor effect sporadically occurs when using the mouse scroll as well. meaning the focus disappears for any scrolling without a click...🤔

The casual but sophisticated look.

This kind of behaviour is a side affect of the infinite scrolling system I've built, I suppose. I've not put any thought into this aspect of it, I've always used a trackpad or mouse, but want to ensure we have good keyboard support.

How does one scroll with a physical keyboard? Which keys do you use?

is it a mobile program assumption that means when i stop scrolling with my physical keyboard ( i dont use touch screens for loomio...) that the focus ceases after a very short time and requires a click with the mouse? it has been this way for a while and it is...starting...to...get...to ...me.

🙀might just be when it is loading...i am using a pc with 8.1 and latest FF and i am wearing a skivvie and trackpants.

this is fixed now @Luke Flegg !

hello

I am typing the keys you can see, but I'm suffixing it with your favourite signoff, cmd + enter.

edit: I've had to roll it back.. normal enter was broken. I'll look again tomorrow morning.

deploying fix for this now

in fact you can see my (empty) line at the bottom of that ^ comment! I ALWAYS use Ctrl + Enter. I use it on Wrike, Facebook, Twitter and loads of other web apps that support it

Ctrl + Enter (when writing a comment on a thread) POSTs the comment (yay) but also adds a line break! (bum clouds.)

new feature: timeline!

omg life is so good. and it's enabled by default
and voters can add options
and it counts votes up as a total, Toodle pip Doodle

I'm confused Luke! The above comment is about the timeline.... and loomio does support 'if need be'

I would use this instead of Doodle if it allowed 'If need be' - this is an essential feature for me because there are often dates which are much less convenient (but still doable, if need be) which people (including me) will just mark themselves as 'not available' for because it's incredibly annoying and unfair if a date is picked that is super inconvenient for half the group, when there's another date that is much better for the group (or indeed, could have more of us in attendance if they had the option to mark If need be)

I think I might remove the dragging function and just allow clicks.

it is definitely alive and requires a firm touch/mouse click...will give more of a go after my meeting...🙏

@Matthew Bartlett It's live now. I think you should give it a spin

Thanks for the feedback and bug reports @david rayner and @Matthew Bartlett. Appreciated!

Here's a reward - a sneek peek of the best Loomio 2.0 feature nobody knows about yet

searching for old proposal for the previous issue made me miss the 'decisions' menu item as they are not as obvious as they used be...hmmm

maybe an icon to mark which threads contain a poll/proposal/tally?

🗿

when i viewed notification history for a proposal, all the dates for notifications were for when the proposal was started.

Even the reminder notification i recently sent out; 6 days later...

other proposals i have checked seem to be the same i.e. only date being the start date.

This emoji looks like this when I choose it:

fixed

This modal should open with the focus on the link field:

fixed (missing helptext). N.B. this modal only shows up the first time you try to pin a thread

Kinda weird modal. Do we need a modal for this minor action? Or if we have one, it would be good to have some text like "Pinning a thread keeps it at the top of your group's thread list. You can use it to help keep your group's attention on what's important right now."

I'm in a thread, and I can't figure out how to see who has access to it. I have a feeling I invited an extra person, not in this group, to it.

members search is now obvious, and the whole group page is much better for it. thanks for your feedback in making this

Your suffering will not be for nothing! The next few updates will address this.

Owwwww - could have saved me tons of time if I'd seen it.

I propose to put it somewhere more close. Perhaps next to the "invite" button?

Did you notice that there is a search function? I'm worried the magnifying icon is not in a useful place.

Hi, we have a very large group. In Firefox, I am searching one user, in the tab 'Members'. The page loads only a fraction of the users, then I need to click 'Load more'. Then some more are loaded, but the user is still not in the list... So I continue. After a while, it seems to me that clicking "Load more" does not lead to more users being shown on the page, even though the 'Load more' button is still present. A solution would be to provide a search field to quickly find a user. (need to remove someone). Managing the users is quite important for us. (but perhaps I am doing something wrong, or missed som essentials)

quick update just now:

fix new subgroup √

fix images in app and in emails for consent and objection √

note that timezone is your local (and name it) under "when can you attend" √

explain things more clearly the notification settings form √

i clicked on 'export' from the dropdown menu in a proposal just to see what would happen and the screen just went blank.(except for sidebar on left...)

or does it only activate once poll has finished?

Hi @Greg Kan ... the poll closed yesterday so it is no longer active. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Thanks

Hi @Nancy Gibson, can you try hitting the tab or enter key once you've written the text for the option, and then hitting the save button?

@Greg Kan ... I wrote the poll with 5 options but only 4 posted and when I edited the post to Add Another Option, I could write up the text but when I clicked Post it would disappear and didn't get added on. Other people could add options no problem so I'm guessing either user error or a bug specific to the creator of the poll.

i was unable to reproduce nancy's inability to add another option/edit the poll. might have to ask nancy how exactly she tried to do this?

Thanks for saying, good point. I'll sort it out.

FWIW, the variable length coloured bars on polls give me a moment's confusion each time — as the length in other contexts maps to the option's popularity

Three things reported to me by Nancy (and a fourth I discovered) Re: Polls choices

1. Nancy tried to put 5 options in poll, below pictured, but only 4 options came through

2. Nancy then went to edit the poll, or otherwise add option, and was unsuccessful

3. The options' length prevent them from being fully read

4. When I click on long options I can't tell if it is selected or not

@Rob Guthrie

I cannot make a new Subgroup in our organisation, which is called 'The Mobility Factory SCE'. Instead, Loomio creates a completely new Organisation.

Can't seem to clear this (1) Unread in this thread… maybe to do with the share an outcome bit? FF 69

thanks Rob I think that one now fixed... x

@Sophie Jerram thanks so much for the janky jumpy scrolling feedback - I think I've solved all those problems now, (and added a timeline!) so I'd love to know how you find it now.

top left above main menu.

well....that where it was before...🚏yup...still there...

excellent...i can see it going through the same kind of thing in process to the end but one ends up where one is heading without getting deposited elsewhere...like the first page that ended up loading...🗿

ummm - how do I get back to Loomio v.2>? I'm using the original...

If you get a minute, try again now (version, bottom left cnr: 269 onwards), I've changed a setting that might have been contributing to the problem and I'd love to know if you notice an improvement.

I've tried to reproduce it myself, and I definitely did see it jump to the bottom a couple of times, but maybe twice, with many threads and quite a vigorous scrolling.

It’s a laptop. Shall do

Sophie, are you using a mobile or laptop when these scrolling issues happen? Can you please send me a url of a page that is particularly problematic? You may like to send it to me via email rob@loomio.org

i am finding that (in ff 70b14 etc...) i scroll and then wait...and scroll....and wait...etc and it catches up eventually...

patience is a virtue at the moment. still recommending people in our pool check 2.0 out, esp on mobiles...

🗿

ps this a painless way to be a crash test dummy...

Yikes, thanks for reporting this, Sophie. I'll see what's going on.

Hi team apologies if this has already been noted but in loomio 2.0 (Firefox Quantum) I can't scroll to the bottom of the thread- it keeps bumping me back to mid way -probably where i was when i was last online. i am back to using the original loomio

On Loomio 266 / Chrome / OSX the reactions panel turns up at top left of the screen, and scrolls with the thread.

yikes. I'll work on this today.

This poll (on discussion fwX6528a) has finished, and I'm about to share an outcome. I click 'Members of thread' (because in this poll it's everyone in the Ecumenical Chaplaincy group, plus one guest), and only one member of the group is added (it's not the guest):

this don't look right:

That would be nifty

Thanks for the info. Texting could be a really useful Loomio feature eh?

Fwiw: use case for link to share today was for texting slow voters

Use case: planning quarterly board meeting; two members haven't voted and I'm chasing them; meantime some of the dates have become irrelevant, because the date has passed already, or they were too unpopular to be viable options anymore; I'd like to make the experience for the stragglers as simple as possible, rather than making them do the cognitive work to reject now irrelevant options.

@Matthew Bartlett just a further note that right now you can't remove options that have already been voted on

Please try long threads again. It should stick to the bottom if you hit the bottom now (and top if vice versa). However I think it might be a good idea to flip that thread.

Text entry on android/mobile was messed up by menu button overload - it's fixed now too.

Still thinking about link to share poll and the poll options

Thanks RG :)
d/2s6SRFfh / Chrome 76.0.3809.132
But I think I'm seeing this load-whole-thread thing on lots of threads

Ooosh! All these things will be fixed very soon.

Can you tell me the thread id and browser you're having thread scrolling issues?

• I can't remove dates after time poll started, though it looks like I should be able to.

• I can't find a link to share a poll

• Long threads presently almost unusable, with every comment loading before I can get to the comment form (and reloading when I scroll back up to context panel), comment form keeps jumping further down as comments load.

• This text box on Android doesn't auto scroll, so I have to swipe up repeatedly when writing a long comment

It was the intention to add support for moving polls too. Thanks for the poke. I've enabled moving polls via the same function which is now called move items.

We have created a check poll to recruit people to work on some topic. After the poll finished we have created a new thread and I wanted to move related comments and the whole check poll to the new thread. It seems that you can move only comments between threads, but not polls. Is this intentional?

undesirable unread behavior with closed threads:

I'm referring to Loomio 2.0. Is there more specific version info anywhere on the page?

I remember now, way back in version 1, that the datestamp had to be copied. But then you tweaked things, and added an explicit 'copy link' option to the comment's actions menu. This was very convenient - and helpfully explicit.

Which version, mike? FYI, the date stamp is a link which you can copy.

I just discovered that this present version of Loomio no longer has 'Copy link to clipboard' as an option on posted comments. Do please restore this useful function. Thanks.

Thursday & Friday

Support for older browsers including MS Edge 17 (at least .. booting the app)

Fixed a massive memory leek on thread page (no more crashing tabs) 🐲

Make outcome stand out on a poll card

expose close/reopen poll buttons on the toolbar

make group page tab text more visible

prevent jittering on proposals in a thread

sticky footer

convert time poll chart back to a table🗽

i Had wondered if linking tween the platforms was....problematic...🗿

loving 2.0 and i have started encouraging members of our group to try it.

No worries, good to check. Linking the name in the old client is a little hard.

i was wrong. sorry to assume based upon an apparent format change.

why is there no seemingly active link like there used to be?(that also functioned as an indication that i had got the formatting correct same as here...)

and majorly... no reply from people who are active. i will double check again if they are being received or just ignored.

i am quite happy to be wrong.😌

Uhmm... nope. If I mention someone from Loomio 2, and they're on Loomio 1, it'll work just the same.

You can even use the notification history feature to track if they've opened the email or notifications dropdown

a thing i had wondered...and can now confirm... an@ mention here does not transfer to 1.0.

i had wondered why people were not responding. @least they are not dead...

🎲

ditto🗿

I hear ya. I'll keep listening for a bit more.

I'll flip the nav with a flipped thread v soon.

It's a bit weird to me that the order of discussions can be switched around. I feel like I have to think a bit for each thread. It also means the mapping of this nav menu doesn't make sense for 'newest first' thread — clicking 'End' takes one / leaves one at the top of the page:

This is a cool feature, but not quite working — in that all the first list should have ticks beside them, as I know they've seen the notification because they have voted:

copy as / paste from markdown

will be great. thanks Rob

The new rich text system supports more features than Markdown.

However I do recognise the value of markdown. We'll add a copy as / paste from markdown ability.

True dual format support is too much work if we support any features at all, ie: mentions, drag and drop uploads or view edit history.

I just did my first major edit on an old comment containing a long list of sources; I needed to add another to the list. The old comment was pasted in as Markdown, and I want to do the edit in my Markdown editor, where I keep a master copy of all the long comments posted to that group. But I find that there's no Markdown support now, in the new editor😟 Is there really no Markdown support? If so, this is a real loss and inconvenience. The new editor is neat and works well, but Markdown is a basic exchange format.

Recent progress:

• The thread page has had a lot of work (uses less cpu, memory, bandwidth, jitters much less and is faster) - rendering very large threads should feel good, rendering short threads equally good.

• fix proposal legend to support consent and objection (cc @John Gieryn )

• fix editing attachments on comments, proposals etc

• removed the Facilitate button and now you see Comment, Proposal, Poll

• added star and whitecheckmark emojis

• added back explore page and links to it from sidebar and empty dashboard

• big improvements to the group page tabs, threads, polls, members, files all load faster and paginate better

We're very close to calling this a first 2.0 release, work has started on the iOS app

Hi Greg, this report received over the weekend that poll info is pushing over mobile screen.

I keep coming back to this and wondering if I've mis interpreted you. Would you mind sharing a screenshot of the problem you're experiencing, Marco? Thank you!

I think that is what happens already. When you type, the area expands as you go.

Mod proposal: When someone write more than a line (word wrap) on a text entry area (on discussion, comment, proposal, and soon), imho is needed that the area automaticly resizes, so is easier to write the second line and more.

Hi Marco. The translation files are the same as 1.0. So if you bring those translations up to date, they'll apply to Loomio 2.0.

This means that once 1.0 is retired, there will be a lot of translation strings removed.

@robertguthrie I wish to translate LOOMIO 2.0 into italian updating the translations I already have done in the past. Are all the new files available on Transifex?

I went into a subgroup I hadn't visited in a while ("Customer Support") and made a new thread there. When I was done with that, I suddenly had an indicator that there were 14 unread threads in that group. These also had not been showing on my Unread Threads page. Thought you'd like to know :)

just this thread...still trouble shooting before i report again to rob...and it is not that huge in the scheme of things...our main group is working just fine and i am loving the increased finesse of 2.0.xxxxx

Are you still having a thread that continually shows as unread no matter what you do?

my experience of that feature is a lot of people who check it out but do not actually do anything. but then i know they fully received it...

excuse the late reply but i thought i had finally found the 'unread post' that always shows...😟this was not it...

I got confused when today I received a notification "Rob accepted your invitation to join [Thread, see my email], as you had participated in a poll within the thread (so you had joined the thread after I notified you via tagging you the context)

Maybe it has to do with the @mention I sent you two weeks ago in that thread, but the notification would still be confusing, in that case, as you'd already "joined" the thread by voting

We now support switching the thread to display newest items first, and selecting how much nesting is used. I think newest first threads will be really useful for a lot of groups.

Brooks how much of your pain is about groups, vs subgroups?

you can now access the 'Explore groups' page again if you scroll to the bottom of the sidebar 🙂

You got it! Thanks for commenting it here!

I really don't mind if something has been said already, repetition is useful and I'll sort it out if not.

I can't readily gain an overview of the right way to act in here or check if someone has made this point before(I hope so!)

I notice in the 2.0 beta that the issue of easily gaining access to the list of groups to sign up to is nowhere to be found, at least by me. In my view this is the number 1 issue for new users at the Borderland, and the one that causes many of them to flee Talk before giving it a proper chance. Please please please grant us a feature on the sidebar to 'Join more groups' or the like!

Totally bamboozled on this. Keen to know if it ever happens again.

Not sure why/how the format of this thread context got mangled? Was fine last I looked

yeah it is iDXSvbPa

just confirmed it is still broken

hey rich, can i get the group id/key off you?

In beta, I can't toggle the "Members can create subgroups" permission setting.

New feature: Embed Videos!

@Greg Kan made this magic happen in under 60 minutes today. Really amazing!

Also the icon in the Timeline might want to change:

Two things with new voting tools within Proposals:

1. No voting: Group members still see the "Vote" bar+button at the top, which may send mixed message, and when you click this the behavior also doesn't help as it doesn't light up the bit where they're supposed to interact with this type of proposal, ie, the comment field

2. The metrics on the Results are missing some bits (new bits, it appears):

@Rob Guthrie

Recently completed/addressed:

- sidebar should not show archived groups
- thread forking removed, instead...
- can move comments from one thread to another
- fix yes and no check images for check poll
- fix table support in text editor
- add help text for changing cover image and logo in group profile form
- add lastSeenAt to members panel
- support removing attachments
- autofocus on add link dialog
- order sidebar subgroups by those the user is a member of first
- focus color on thread item fades
- show discussion seen by information

Thanks for sharing. I don't think I can make the edit toolbar icons bigger, but I can give them tooltips and make them darker when the field is focused.

I'm struck again in this beta layout, by how small and pale the icons are in the edit options below the comment entry field. And no mouse-over pop-up legend. So a step backwards in clarity and usability. Likewise, small fonts in left and right sidebar menus. Please have a thought for older folks eyesight?

I'm with Sukie regarding the display of time poll results. The little icon rows don't communicate like the grid did. The rows show 'the winner' but the grid shows better who can do what.

Holy hot grid!! Thank you so much! Looks really good 🙌🏽

Ok, the grid is back! (v246)

Thanks for explaining this for me Sukie. I thought I'd had a breakthrough with the new time poll design.

The finishing of it has proved a little difficult though, I'm not happy that it does not line up on a grid vertically.

We'll see what we can do to improve things.

TIME POLL:

I absolutely loved the old time poll feature. It was so easy to see who responded, how many responded, and what the most popular time from the group was. Organizing through doodle was a big nuisance, and I found time poll my answer to no more doodles

Looking at the time poll in 2.0, I quickly became confused, and it was hard to determine results. I really just loved the way the old one worked; how easy it was to scroll through a chart both horizontally and vertically, and see my results at a quick glance. The new way is more spaced out, not a grid, and even the icons are different sizes throughout (see pic below), which made it very difficult to read/determine results. Also, the actual day of the week (Mon, Tue, etc.) is not listed anymore, which necessitates me needing to stare at my calendar while organizing something.

I may be the only one in this boat (I am an spreadsheet enthusiast), but is it possible to bring the grid back? Its clear organization helped put my technology-induced anxiety brain at ease. I get how it could be a cumbersome the old way too, and I do like the new idea of picture icons in green/yellow, so maybe there is way to combine the two?

Sweet Blissful Grid:

I think we've since addressed all these issues, @Sukie Conley . Thanks for naming them all.

Hiya!

Preface: I am a super basic user that loves how easy my iPhone and Mac are to use, but if things aren't super intuitive, I get lost and overwhelmed easily.

Basically, I want to easily navigate to a view of my organization's threads that includes my subgroup threads. With john's help, I found it possible, but honestly, I just thought loomio had deleted my subgroups for some reason (because I couldn't see them/find them from the group page), and I was confused.

1. As a user, from a thread I wanted to return to the organization view that includes the subgroups I am in. When I clicked the hyperlink with my group's name (at the top of the page in blue), it took me to my group's page sans the subgroup threads.

2. From the navigation bar on the left, I didn't know how to use the drop down vs clicking the name in order to include or exclude subgroup threads.

3. It was very difficult and cumbersome to scroll and try to find the subgroups I am a part of because the drop down shows me all of the subgroups available, which was pretty overwhelming as a new user.

Thanks for taking the time to list these out, Mike. I really do appreciate it.

1. Will fix. Can you forward me the email (to rob@loomio.org) that has the link to the comment, I've put a lot of work into arriving at the right place from links, so I'd like to make sure I fix this case too.

2. Confused. Nested not chronological is the default view. Maybe you mean chronological not nested?

3. Will bring back: Thread participants - what was it about that feature that you found useful?

4. Loomio 1 did not offer a notification option when positing a comment. Although in L2, you can see when people have opened your notifications. Can you explain further what you find missing?

5. Bug!? Can you give me the poll url for the situation where not all thread participants were being listed, I'll sort it out.

Thanks for your feedback, I know it seems like nothing happens to it, but I assure you it helps me make progress. Copy link function coming very soon.

The Loomio 2 search function is a massive improvement over 1, and the timeline feature makes it much easier to navigate threads, however I hear you on the need for comment search and will work towards the right solution.

Thanks Rob.

Broadly, I keep discovering things from Loomio 1 that seem to be lost in Loomio 2.

• Dropping into a thread at the place where I’ve been notified of an @mention. Like this present one. I’m replying in email bcos I can’t find the place in the thread, to review my earlier comment that you refer to.
• Displaying a thread Nested not Chronological. I really miss this. Seems basic.
• Being able to view thread participants.
• Being offered a notification option when posting a comment.
• ‘Thread participants’ as a notification option (where it occurs - for example, editing a Poll) didn’t bring up all participants - only about half of them. The others had to be inserted by hand.

And the old problem of searching within threads, which really does need a solution. For example, this thread is so complex now, I’ve given up attempts to find my own previous comments or to search first for other folks’ comments, before I post a new one. Like this one!

I think you'll like the improvements on layout and spacing in the current version of Loomio, @mike_hales.

I just used Loomio 2 for the first time on the iPad. At first encounter (even after using Loomio 2 on MacOS for some time now) the interface here looks kinda opaque, in a way I can’t easily put my finger on. If I weren’t a determined, experienced user, I think I’d be put off. I think it might be enough to discourage some of the less tech literate members of a group that I convene.

I had to hunt for the means to drop in at the latest messages in a thread - turns out it’s in the funny little button down in the bottom right corner. Even then, the legend ‘End’ appears in such tiny writing in the slide-over menu, that’s it was easy to miss the first time. And the slide-over is transparent, which makes it hard to read anyway.

Larger font in the slide-over menu please? Kill the transparency? Maybe add the legend ‘MENU’ to the menu button? In large characters!

I guess I’ll get used to commands being in the slide-over. But at first it feels like part of the opacity I referred to.

On the plus side, the comment editor feels good on the iPad.

In MacOS I commented that the line length in comments is too long for fluent visual scanning of lines. Here in IOS this has the additional effect of making the type size pretty small. My old eyes need larger characters!

Larger characters please, fewer words per line?

As in MacOS, I would say that line spacing could and should be a little closer, and that space between paragraphs should be a little less. In MacOS this was bcos of wanting to scroll less to read comments. Here in IOS it’s just bcos the page overall looks to my eye to have a bit too much white space in it.

I used export data in 2.0 for the first time today. It is nice to now receive data via email. 🙌

However it only seems to export in json, and is unreadable for analysis. Can we please have .csv option too (and maybe HTML) 🤞

Setting a title for a member in the parent group doesn't automatically apply to that same member in all subgroups. I understood from here that this should be the case. Or maybe even better: get the choice to have the title applied to all subgroups or not.

while that online metric can be unreliable in the occasional case,(some kind of auto login thing thru ipad/apple? ) i have found it to be worthwhile and accurate enough. but yes, the occasional head scratch...

Thats something to be concerned about. That figure is updated each time the app is refreshed.

Sidenote: OTOH, I found that on 1.0 those metrics were completely unreliable. For example, a member of our group that passed away years ago, would show as active "1 month ago".

Customer feedback on 2.0: One thing I noticed was that you can no longer see how long it is since a member was online, which I find useful to see how engaged people are with Loomio.

likely low priority:

I checked my notifications in FF on Android (mobile) but Loomio 2.0 did not register that I'd seen those notifications. Result: I went onto desktop and it said I had two notifications, I checked them and was confused as I'd already seen them

Timepoll outcome preview email did not display.

However the outcome email with calendar invitation worked fine.

recently fixed/addressed:

• double click to edit contexts

• dont redirect people to the poll page, unless you're gonna fix it

• notice on edit proposal about new proposals for interations, edit for clarifications and typos.

• support proposals for comment only

• notification history for a comment

• allow different proposal types

• fix guest editing comment

• fix sidebar not showing all groups

• fix anonymous poll vote display

• fix attachments not appearing in discussion context

• fix notification history not showing when event has no notifications

Interesting fact, if you paste a link, rather than typing it, it will be automagically linked.

Fair enough!

If I write a URL in a post I'd expect that to be automagically clickable by anyone reading that post and not have to explicitly make it into a link.

Good questions.

1. We need to the "Explore" page back in, which is an index of publicly findable groups. It's on the list.

2. I'm still learning how to name "groups" properly. People often start a new parent group when they mean to start a subgroup, so we tried calling it organization, because that's what the group is supposed to represent, which might have helped with that, but it means we're using two terms for the same thing, which is bad. Thinking about alternatives.

I'm sure that in a few months we'll allow multiple levels of subgroup. From there we'll allow users to move groups around the tree.

Couple of questions:

1. How do I search Loomio to find open 'groups' that I could read or apply to join? I can't find any UI to list or search stuff that I'm not already part of.

2. Nomenclature: I'm seeing the word 'group' used in the UI, but not clear what it refers to. At the bottom of my list of stuff on the left hand side I see a thing that seems to be inviting me to create a "New organization". Is that different from a 'group'?

We've replaced it with an effect perhaps even more startling! It's getting closer though.

wow that orange is intense!

update 2019-09-05

• double click to edit context

• clear pageError if route changes

• put video into welcome modal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXdl2Oon7bs)

• show if user is on 2.0 in admin panel

• fix outcome notification history

• alert on proposal edit that you should close and new for significant changes (Editing is only recommended for minor changes or fixing spelling errors, for significant changes, close the poll and start a new one)

• use orange for unread highlight

• dont send reminders unless its to a formal group

• warn if only 1 coordinator (but more than 1 member) of a group

• put discussion context below the poll in the email.

• link to use loomio 2 from loomio 1

• show timezone on user profile

As we mentioned in another thread: Deluxe notifications are here

There is a new group navigation drawer and I'm keen to hear how you find it.

Too many fixes to mention actually xx

This jumping to the correct place is fixed now! ..and I'm really happy with the fix.

The last remaining problem in this space is there are still times when stuff loading above pushes the focused comment off screen... but that's a different issue.

Sorry for the delay in fixing this, I'm working on some other areas right now. Thread rendering/navigation will be given time next week.

I'm still seeing this in Safari (I reported something like this weeks ago), although it seems to work better with FF.

I click a notification, "PersonX replied to your comment" and i do not arrive to said comment in FF

I then click "Unread" and I do make it to said comment,
although it's one I'd already read :/

similar but maybe different as I believe I navigated to this poll by clicking the link (in another platform):

FFBug: Time poll vote leads to error. All I did was select options and hit vote.

(ir)relevant context: I was the initiator of this time poll, but I went to vote a day later… ca

Timepoll - after sending invitations, I tried to vote in the timepoll and the following screen appeared. I had to refresh the page to see my active timepoll, and then I could vote...

after having invited a new user to group, members directory list does not populate with new record

Feels like we're getting pretty close to a release now. Check the "deluxe notifications" thread out for a tour of the new notification features.

links open in new window

• insert link submit on enter

• show if subscribed to thread

• thread item: top line text bottom line buttons

• Beginning, End rather than context, latest?

• see when thread/poll/mention notifications were sent and if they've been read

• see preview of notification email before you send them out

• show "subscribed" or "not subscribed" to updates on thread page. explain if you'll get announcements.

Can't react to thread (contexts) in FF. I press button (from the dropdown) and nothing happens

hey @Joriam Philipe i tried logging into one of your test accounts but i could not replicate it! can you please state each step that leads you to this problem? i tried logging in and logging out and everything seemed to be there. i repeated this process again with creating a new thread and then logging out and in again too.

Oh btw @Rob Guthrie

If you wanna test it out, the fake accounts are:
presteprimeiro@gmail.com
prestesecond@gmail.com
prestefourth@gmail.com
prestesixth@gmail.com

The password is always preste1234

Threads and everything inside disappear!

The group still exists in all the 4 fake accounts I created to populate it — but it's always empty when I log in.

When I create a new thread it seems to function normally. I can comment, facilitate and edit it normally. I can even refresh the page and it seems it's all good.

But as soon as I log out (of any of the 4 accounts) the group 'resets' — that even includes member's pictures (though their names remain untouched)

What the???

Groups and threads are just disappearing after log out??

Update on the bug mentioned above:

I tried to create new threads for this same example-group. The threads get created and I can start decisions and comment inside — but as soon as I log out they vanish.

It's impossible to work with this group =/

I created a Time Poll and added a couple of date options. I noticed every time I created a date, a new blank 'option' would show too. I tried to delete them pressing the 'x' button, but they didn't go away, so I just ignored them.

When I click to post the Time Poll, something went very wrong. All my group's threads immediately vanished from the home page and group home page. When I click to load 'recent threads' it loads forever and never shows any results. The only place I can still see the name of my former threads is the notifications menu — and I noticed all my team's photos have vanished as well.

I somehow touched some software uranium when I was creating that time poll — and I was not doing anything unusual at all!

The name of the group is PlasticFree Ocean. Here's some post-disaster reference print screens:

I love that I can swipe open the drawers on both sides!

Layout bug on beta

poll page has no edit vote button

when in the middle of dot vote, sliders reset to 0. unknown conditions

Done recently:

• poll title is hidden on poll page

• need confidence that calendar event function works

• remove slack/install slack are swapped

• invite guest to thread is broken. clicking link in email gives permission denied

• org setup wizard

• ask new users to set a profile picture if they don't have one

• Add subgroup button

You can enclose the URL in backticks like this

https://help.loomio.org/en/user_manual/getting_started/webinar/

to get a one-liner in the code block.

Also, the problem is caused by the second underscore, as enclosing text in underscores is the markdown notation for italics.

It seems that markdown auto-interpretation should be suspended when a link is detected. (Which it is detected, because it is linked automatically.)

I pasted the url 

https://help.loomio.org/en/user_manual/getting_started/webinar/

Aside, minor note
I really tried to pull the "I pasted the url" out of the code block but there was no way to do so if I wanted it above/before the url

Hrrmm. Could you please explain what you've done there.

Links with underscores have problems in FF

https://help.loomio.org/en/usermanual/gettingstarted/webinar/

Unclear what time was chosen;

when I checked with Michael, he responded to say "Tuesday 2.30pm. I added a calendar invitation to the outcome. Did it not come through?" ← I'm imagining he set the outcome using 2.0 given that I could not see the chosen time in 1.0 neither

In case it was intended, in FF a mouseover doesn't give Alt-text of the group's name

Thanks Mike,

The logos, without titles are likely here to stay, but I'll fix the tooltip so they're more easily identified. We also have a group setup wizard on the way to ensure people set logo images for their organisation.

Request for keyboard shortcut to toggle sidebar recorded.

I'll make the icons a touch darker, try making the lines a little shorter and the font a touch smaller.

Loomio 2.0 looks very clean and lovely 🙂 Four initial typography/usability responses . .

1 Menu sidebar no longer shows titles of groups, just logos. Logos (tiny logos!) are not really distinctive enough to serve on their own, titles please too. It's the alphabetic ordering of titles that reveals the structure of the listing. Sometimes the title is revealed on mouse-over (group page?) but not always (thread page).

PS In earlier Loomio, the sidebar would appear and disappear with an 's' keypress. Would be nice to have this in Loomio 2.0.

2 On the group home page, names of tabs are so faint it's hard to read them. More distinct name format please.

PS Icons in text editor toolbar are a bit on the grey side too. Blacker please? I have older eyes!

3 Line length in posts is very long and thus hard to fluently scan in blocks of text. Default legible line length of body text in book typesetting is 65-70 characters per line. I make the current Loomio 2.0 line about 90 characters. Shorter default length please.

4 Not sure about this yet but the font size and white space in comments seems to result in fewer comments visible in a window than in Loomio1; thus more scrolling. More visible, less scrolling, is better. Squeeze things up a bit please? Especially if you shorten line length!

Keep it coming! Thanks

Not sure if this screenshot, taken after trying to react to my own comment, helps: Not saying I need/want to be able to react to my own comment – I don't think I've ever had the desire/ seen the need – but the dropdown (comment options) do say "react" and then nothing happens when I hit the button

Can't add a reaction to a thread context nor this comment in FF

Previously mentioned emoji stuff in FF (in case they fell off the list) :

Also it's very strange to react with a :slight_smile: and the app to display the reaction as a grinning face. When I put the emoji into the text box I get it like normal 🙂; but I'll react to this comment and I'm curious how it will appear to others (I see it as a 😄)

Not sure if this is priority, but eventually FF emojis would look better if displayed as a consistent set, not some yellow faces and some outlines

Notifications settings - looks a bit hinky. I think that's the technical term? ;o) Are the 'edit' buttons supposed to sit like that?

/\ Ok, new 'bug' (???)

Vertical images become uncomfortably big.

Done as of 2019-08-15

• global search

• disable or implement recaptcha on signup

• show thread title on the card until it's scrolled off the screen

• Upgrade button and subscription features

• Ctrl+Enter should save Save/Post/etc.

And other things..

Thanks for that, I'll check it out today

In Beta 89 I'm struggling to figure out how to do this (Firefox and Chromium)

You can! Try it -> Remove from timeline

As a coordinator I would like the ability to unpin a Facilitation event (eg, poll) from the timeline so that I can really curate an easy way for latecomers to jump into the action

¿low importance/ for down the road / perhaps already on your mind?

oh yea (so nice that now it compiles Members, polls, etc; big improvement IMO)

what about "Group and subgroups" or something like this? "All (group with subgroups)" … i dunno… "My groups" may still be the winner thus far

yah! except it's more than just threads..

Sweet; I like this approach… reminded me of the way I can access "All inboxes" in my android gmail app

Maybe "All threads"?

Maybe it should be call "Combined" .. I don't know

@John Gieryn Ok so we're live with a feature for this. "My groups" shows threads from all groups you belong to within the organisation.

Impressions welcome

That is coming.

I wonder if it'll be important to reinstate the ability to see subgroup posts on the parent organization pg (thread tab); I have to do extra clicks to make sure I've seen all content I might need to see from my team unless I use the Unread page (I only started using this feature after 1.5-2 years of Loomio use)

Links don't open a new tab, eg Joriam's links in the context of the thread for "What's New in Loomio 2.0"

Alt mode is me testing two different diffing algorithms, on production, over time. I think the first one gives a more readable result. What do you think?

Curious what "alt mode" is (tick box when I go to Edit History of a thread)

When I've selected the "Facilitate" tab in a thread, clicking "Add comment" doesn't switch it back to "Comment" (likely of little importance: ideally my text-cursor would automatically be in the comment box after clicking)

very very weird. i have loaded it up in firefox and can see no arrows anywhere!

on my to-do list now; but if this gets you there in the meantime — in my Firefox they're just to the right (or even in the form) where the number of items to rank is listed as you edit the poll

yooo @John Gieryn there aren't any up-down arrows in this poll. please share a screenshot if possible!

In rank choice poll creation/editing, clicking the up-down arrows (UI elements) does not alter the number of choices to rank

Done as of 2019-08-07

• slack integration

• inline translation

• teams integration setup

• enable changing group cover image and logo, user profile photo

• allow recactions on outcomes.

• the text I'm typing can disappear off the bottom of the screen, instead of the page automatically shunting up when my cursor moves to a new line.

Invitation form confuses invitations to join group with invitations to participate in a poll/thread, i.e. if your group is out of invitations (for new members), the form does not allow you to invite people to participate in a poll/thread.

Done as of 2019-08-06

• fix select dropdown is annoying on announcement form

• Error: Cannot find module './client.pt-BR.yml'

• score poll voting not working - maybe errors for this from joriam

• ticking "Notify me…" in poll settings should not change the time that the poll ends

• remove serviceworker from angular

It works better with Firefox, so maybe it is in part browser-specific. My problem with using Loomio with Firefox is that with the login process that Loomio uses, Firefox doesn't remember my credentials and so I have to look them up. Safari on the other hand does remember my login, so I tend to use Safari for Loomio.

Thanks for sharing the annoyance - and sorry!

The "taking you to the right place" problem is something we'll have another pass at.

The problem is content is loading above where we took you to, and it is stretching the page, pushing your desired content down below the viewport. I'll take some time to address this soon. There are a couple of ways to approach the problem.

In terms of number 2, I wonder if that's just a bad internet connection or something. Please keep an eye on it and let me know if the condition changes.

I'm having the same issues in ABrowser on GNU/Linux.

This is using Safari on MacOS.

Here's another one - part of the really annoying inability of Loomio 2 to put me where I need to be in a thread. I see a notification in the top right. I click on the notification, on the assumption that it will take me to the place I need to be to see the specifics of the notification and respond to it. In recent days I've seen two things happen:

1. I'm taken to the thread, where for a brief moment I can see the comment or whatever that the notification is linked to, but then the page takes me away from that location and I have to then scroll through the thread to re-find my spot. Mega-annoying.

2. More recently the page is only half-loading, and I'm shown a page that is just a series of numbered boxes, and nothing happens. I've tried to attach a screendump to illustrate this but it looks like it is not uploading - had to remove that in order to activate the 'Post' button

Done today (available in beta 72)

• pin comment to timeline if it has a heading

• put unread indicator back (and include nice fade out when read)

• z-index bug with ranked choice

• after editing a comment the button should read "Save" not "Post"

• X remove - capture dismiss on chip slot

• clicking title of thread in toolbar should scroll to top

Oye 🤗 I don't know if something has been done yet, but the 'text emoticon' is still there today. Just let me know if you need more details 👍

:arrow_right:

it's really incredible how much a screenshot helps me understand the problem. Thank you. We should get this fixed today.

thanks 🤗 let me know when it is ok, I'll check. Cause now it appears like that (see picture) and there is no equivalent in the actual emoticon library

Oh, I understand. Thanks for reporting it, we'll fix that too.🔧

Hi @Rob Guthrie, I have the same problem of former Loomio 1.0 emoticons shown as "arrow_right". On july you wrote 'let me know the text' to fix it. I hope it still possible ;-) Thanks a lot 😘

Yikes! I'll get onto these! 🙏

Initial triage of the list:

• I'll look into add link on firefox - it sounds buggy

• I'll def fix upload progress bar

• Each time emoticons show up as text, let me know the text and I'll fix it.

• I'm super surprised editing Loomio 1.0 text failed. Try it again today, I've implemented a converter so you get WYSIWYG editing of 1.0 text. Screenshot if it's still weird.

• I'll look into score poll voting not working. I have recorded app errors from you.

• Did the choice loading reload the app, or did it just take a breather for some reason.

• X to remove option will be fixed

• Ranked choice Zindex will be fixed

• I'm surprised about losing your place while linking... It does not move the screen... what's going on I wonder? A video would be very helpful

• Heading text buttons are for lines of text only. That's just how they are.

Well, just spent a whole bunch of hours fiddling with the beta to record videos — and found some bugs/weird things. I was using Firefox on a Macbook Pro (screen resolution 2880 x 1800).

Here they are:

— Unresponsive "add link": most of the times, adding a link in the thread editor works, sometimes it just doesn't. I click apply and nothing happens (even the link window doesn't close, it just sits there)

— Invisible loading bar: the files are uploaded alright, but I can't see the progress. It always goes from zero to done, even with 20mb files that take more than a minute to up

— Temperamental italic and bold buttons: sometimes (1 out of 15 +-) the buttons just don't work. I click, nothing happens happens. At first I thought it was my mistake, but I had recorded footage to prove I actually clicked the right place

— Time poll bad layout: the time polls here are a designer's nightmare, as seen here

— Selection bug with "add link": in the thread and comment editor, I select the word I want to turn into a link, then I click the link icon on top of it, it opens this window asking for the url, I ctrl+V an url — but the copied text doesn't go to the new window, but it's added to the text I was editing, thus deleting the word I was trying to link

— Loomio 1.0 emoticons showing as weird text: former Loomio 1.0 checkbox emoticons are shown as "white_check_mark"

— Editing Loomio 1.0: I tried to edit an Assembly Sprint thread just to remove the "white_check_mark" and use a thread as an example. Everything went to hell after that, the text was all weird and full of weird marks. Had to go back to Loomio 1.0 to fix it.

— Score decision sometimes won't let me vote: once I tried to create a Score decision and it just didn't let me vote, just showing me a weird letter thing. I took a pic. When I tried again, it worked

— Choice loading time: not exactly a bug, but I noticed in the video editor that when I clicked to create a new choice decision, it loaded for almost 7 whole seconds. It felt like a lot

— Ranked option creation, "x" is not deleting: While creating a ranked choice decision, I tried to delete one of my tentative choices before posting by clicking the "X" symbol next to it, but nothing happened. When I clicked any other part of the tentative choice, it would delete it, just the "X" didn't work

— Unvoted ranked choices overlap text: as seen here

— After adding a link, I don't know where I'm at: just after adding a link to a specific word in the text editor, when I go back to the text, I'm not seeing what I left behind (not sure if it's the text selection that moves or just the scroll). In bigger texts like this comment, this makes me confused

— Headings text buttons affect everything: the H1 H2 H3 heading text buttons turn 100% of the text into heading, not just my selection

Thanks Graham. I'm not quite sure how to solve this yet. I'll think it over.

Using the little notification thing top right I can click on a notification and it takes to the right place in the relevant thread, for a second or two, then the rest of the content on that thread/page appears to populate the page, and I'm now looking at some other part of that thread (presumably an older part), so I then have to manually scroll to find the bit that the notification was about. Very annoying, especially when I can see that Loomio knows where I should be in the thread. Using Safari on MacOS.

Process improvement: I'll move done items to comments each day or so. Here's initial commit.

Done 2019-07-24

• sticky formatting toolbar

• banner over thread when there is an active poll that you have not voted on

Done 2019-07-23

• remove allow public threads, thread privacy from 2.0

• allow editing title/role on memberships

• pin/unpin item on timeline

• disable forms while submitting

• editing a thread in a Secret group, the message tells me it is a Public thread

• join group button does not disappear after joining group

• position mention dropdown better

• performance is not a valid option https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/talk/issues/10563/

• cancel reply

• display a label on rich text fields

• add table support to editor, clean up menu behaviour

• implement htmldiff viewer in revision history

Done 2019-07-19

• lineheight: of headings

• nested replies attached to the wrong comments

• text editor creating a link is broken, should use floating toolbar?

• fix uploaded images when they arrive as an email

• remove expand/contract for now

• floating or always visible formatting toolbar

Done 2019-07-18

• show dismiss and mute on thread preview on desktop

• attempt to fix comment landing on previously viewed thread

• sign in modal - legal accept text needs v-html

• TypeError: i["a"].goTo is not a function. https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/loomio-org/issues/10556/

• much better handling of locale files

Done 2019-07-16

• enable support for other languages (and translation of dates)

Done 2019-07-15

• upgrade date display (relative if today, day + month if this year, iso stamp otherwise)

• still trying to resolve jump to thread position

Done 2019-07-12

• unify format for actiondock and dropdown menus

• bring notify button to contexts, polls, outcomes (+people icon)

• make it possible to delete active polls

Done 2019-07-11

• add user id to sentry

Done 2019-07-10

• live update of changes is not happening

• remove scroll to on post comment

• scroll to requested position when loading thread with comment, sequence id

• put styles back on load more buttons

• render notifications on client rather than server

• increase Rails.application.secrets.maxmessagelength

• bug when inviting people by email https://sentry.loomio.io/sentry/talk/issues/10440/

• allow customizable theme colours via env

Done 2019-07-09

• Pin thread should be on group page threads list

• fix tags not showing up on group page filters

• Can't embed links in Firefox MAY BE FIXED UPSTREAM

• Use something better than a v-list on notifications

• dont show invite/notify modal after editing a thread (john: I like this feature, in case this just got edited outside of my meaning → I was just asking for the modal text to read "Notify of edits" instead of "Invite to thread")

• Re-add horizontal bar to formatting features? (would be nice!) MORE INFO PLEASE

Done 2019-07-08

• Unread button shows -1 when thread is read.

• uploading images/files is sometimes broken: TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined when uploading images via dnd add files and imageFiles arrays to defaults on models with attachments

• scroll to comment after you post a reply

• dont show invite to thread modal after editing thread.

• validate stance reason and display failure to user

• Load earlier activity might want top padding/margin?

• WYSIWYG edit buttons don't stay at the top of my comment box; for long comments I have to scroll all the way up if I want to, say, add a checkbox to a new line - edit buttons moved to bottom

• Missing comments in this thread (https://www.loomio.org/d/xOocrpB1/loomio-2-0-releases/104)

• Can't add attachment upon editing this thread's context (no paperclip icon to be found)

• Editing a comment posted in Loomio 1.0, the attached image does not appear and I cannot paste in a new image https://www.loomio.org/d/xOocrpB1/loomio-2-0-releases/106

Though I'm enjoying interacting this thread, it doesn't turn up in my Recent Threads

Pretty sure this is because john 'pinned' it.

I don't know what it means that john's comment is in that right-hand menu. Perhaps the facilitator is particularly drawing it to my attention?

yeah, nah, i get it. I guess I'm wondering if I can invent new meaning with this as my grudging argument.

Yeah the awkwardness might be in my head only

Oh, I guess so. I've always thought people used them to return to where they had gotten up to.

Mmm… tells me I've made a choice at some past time to save my spot. That's a similar vibe I suppose.

Yes... What does a bookmark tell you though? (when used in a book)

Idea, for what it's worth: replace the unread icon, which feels really bookmarky to me, with the unread message count in a circle.

Number of check poll responses not centered in the icon:

:star: from 1.0 not working

Is there a way to see who have been invited to a thread? What "Thread participants" used to communicate?

Loomio: It's a little unclear to me whether I'm commenting specifically ON my poll, or just generally in this thread full of polls and chat.

Also, I wanted to edit (re-word) some of the poll options while I was adding them, but clicking on options I've written just instantly deleted them. It's a bit annoying and reminds me of the bastardy way Gmail (until very recently) didn't let you edit email addresses after you've entered them into the 'To:' field. They just become an object you have to delete and type again from scratch.

Trusting we'll get Ctrl+Enter back for submitting as well? Think I saw that on the roadmap :)

All in all ruddy exciting

Worth changing the message here to something like "No results returned for your search"? The italicised info is also eye catching but probably low priority

When looking for the number of people in a group, I noticed some formatting oddity

My hunch is there is an "affirmative no" which is different from "passive no". I'm guessing some of the passive No's are actually If-Need-Be's. Happy to wait and see if this is a real problem or if I just made it up.

I'm not sure we're on the same page.

People don't actually choose No, all bars would be the same length if we included no votes. Is this what you want?

hey @Robert Guthrie I think I want to see the "no" votes on the time poll results.

If Option A has 2 greens and 3 yellows, and Option B has 3 greens and 3 reds, I want to pick Option A. But the results chart only shows me greens and yellows so Option B will look more attractive.

Thank you. Yet to fix but on the list

Fixed today:

• max width on link text in lmotextarea

• make more recent sutff higher rank (will make it higher still in next release)

• fix hugging face reaction

• autofocus comment field when replying

• fix discussion form privacy radio buttons

• make thread "load more, previous" correct when deleting a reply

• fix checkboxes!

• fix check boxes

• yep they're fixed

• great!

• fix group icon in navbar

• fix add options on timepoll

yep, we can add tallies.

Add option works well for other poll types. We'll sort time poll add option tomorrow.

Here's a list of stuff fixed recently:

fix errors when editing time poll stance

fix meeting vote form

fix score poll edit vote form

fix proposal chart. include my stance in events. make selected propos… …

prevent deleting optins that have been voted for, and make em colourful

fix closing at hour on poll form

single poll modal with fixed titles

remove poll common form options component (replaced by comboboxes)

fix add options to poll, fix poll vote form

fix file attachments on poll

fix overflow on timezone list

use v-select rather than v-combobox on proposal and count

fix notifications clearing when clicked and make badge nice

fix paste into lmo-textarea

update scroll position when context comes into view