Co-op Data Club

Hi Graham, thank you for your suggestion. We will get a look.

Il giorno gio 10 feb 2022 alle ore 17:09 Graham (via Loomio) ha scritto:

I'm unclear about your application, but it's possible this might be of interest: https://creditcommons.net

I wrote "distributed ledger" as I have in mind the Holochain infrastructure or a sidechain of the Ethereum blockchain, because they should not be centralized, but I am open to solutions not DLT-based.

much clearer - thanks @Vincenzo Giorgino I get it now. I'm not sure I know of anything which can provide for all those needs out of the box... but I will keep this in mind and let you know if I find anything.

Dear Oli,

thank you for your interest. In summary, we expect to test two apps.

One is already alive and kicking, it's Commonshood.eu and deals with P2P transactions.

The other is the real problem because... ... we don't have it: a protocol that allows participants to upload their health data to a vault and manage it together according to the principles of stewardship, and perhaps in a cooperative form.

What I was asking as a suggestion is this: is there a technological platform that has low management costs and that responds to the above?

The experimentation involves uploading the results of about 500 Covid-19 swabs from a sample aged 50 and over, residing in one neighborhood of Turin. It would be the first step towards a self-governing system of health data, not for profit or aimed at individual advantage, but with full individual decision-making power on sharing.

On the legal level, I already know that the trust is not for us, the data cooperative itself seems to me to involve a centralized server, and it was the thing that, at least at the beginning, we wanted to avoid.

I also add that we are a small action-research group and do not have funds to pay developers. We would appreciate if someone had something that solved the problem and, on her side, a kind of use case for testing purposes. I hope this is clearer, but not depressing...

Hi @Vincenzo Giorgino can you explain a little more about what you want the tech to do, specifically!? You may be interested in SourceCred (which we discuss here: https://open.coop/2020/05/15/open-2020-webinar-sourcecred/ ) and possibly Vocdoni (which we discuss here: https://open.coop/2020/05/29/vocdoni-as-an-engagement-tool-for-cooperatives/ ) but I'm not sure exactly what you want to do!?

Hi Chris,

thank you very much for your contribution. I would like to deepen and share with the collaborators of the project. Can you suggest me a reference? Thank you

Hi Vincenzo, my action research at UCL ISRS over the last decade (I've been working on it for over a decade before that) has been on just such simplified legal designs and in a nutshell I use four party mutual "association of association" permissioning agreements. We deconstruct the complex "trustee/beneficiary" relationship (invented by lawyers for lawyers 🙂) into passive IP "custodian" and active IP "steward" service provider managing partner. The legal innovation is that IP users/investors and IP originators have JOINT oversight. The enterprise model is that 1/ IF any payment is made for use of IP as a commons, a % age levy may be applied, pooled and reinvested in new IP 2/IP Platform Service Provider costs are shared. We term this mutual agreement "Nondominium" because no stakeholder has dominant rights over another (as investors do now) and long term funding is possible via IP credits, returnable in payment for IP use. Development finance requires surplus sharing capital partnerships we term smart swaps. My experience is that the consensual/collaborative nature of mutual risk, cost & surplus sharing agreements simplifies them by at least one order of magnitude. Chris

Hi Grace,

thank you for sharing your concern. We do not have any direct scheme of incentives: we expect that voluntary work as well as care work could be recognized by the community via the creation of tokens as evidenced by the features of Commonshood https://www.commonshood.eu/ Moreover, it is important to recognize the need to invent new categories for human commitment to spend intangible personal resources (technical skills, emotional skills, gifts such as generosity, compassion, etc ...) and get out of the usual patterns of dependent, independent and voluntary work. The digitalization and automation of the economy together with the crisis of the social protection of the state, push in that direction. Accelerated by the pandemic. The direction of an area where fiat currency-based income loses its link with personal commitment ("technological unemployment") and it is necessary to invent tools that are part of a complementary and / or alternative trading system. What the sociologist Urlich Beck called civil work...

Before doing this, make sure to study the research on paying volunteers. Many studies have shown that paying volunteers tends to reduce motivation, not increase it. If you are doing something related to test results that could impact people's access to treatment, you might want to be very careful about experiments that go against the common knowledge and research regarding incentivizing volunteers.