Inquiry: Space - making & holding

 Engaging at this level of abstraction via long text exchanges requires a level of spaciousness that is rarely present in my day-to-day life

Very much agree @Alex Rodriguez , its tough for me to read and respond to all these threads as well given the demands of life. I'll probably get more minimal as we go; theres an email metric that says for every mail you send you get 1.5 back, transferring the assumption to Loomio, Discord or any form of communication it would seem that in the end, entropy always wins!

So the idea about there being fractal scaling resonances between the individual, dyad, crew, and congregation is what I'm thinking about. And in the remote context, I think we can design a process that could have an originary point at any level of scale but offer some scaffolding to fill out and explore the other fractal dimensions.

I dig the frame of "fractal scaling resonances", it feels like your bringing your own flavour in to the "fractal view of belonging" which is the microsolidarity wording. I prefer it actually because while more technical and less understandable, I feel its the underlying mechanism to a group dynamic. Theres a few examples of this in culture where the artists move to a low rent neighbourhood, regenerate it with creativity and then it gets gentrified - the value generated attracted bottom feeders raised prices and drove them out. The same could be said of spirituality; someone has a mystical experience with the unknowable, translates it to others which forms a following/practice and then it gets misinterpreted and debased. In software its said that geeks often create something cool for themselves, the cool kids arrive and then the geeks loose interest in the scene and move on to create a new one.

As you suggest the mechanism at play is a pattern of "fractal resonance", it always falls apart because theres an asymmetry of one->many that basically cant scale without information loss (debasing the info-set). A more symmetrical or graph like approach perhaps can scale - something to think about perhaps? Or perhaps we already are thinking that way? as per your observation below:

It's been interesting that in our "bardo" phase between cycles 1 and 2, we ended up connecting in various dyad constellations, and that felt generative.

Perhaps thinking through the implications of money and care as they relate to our efforts here could lead to some further clarity around both "sides" of the inquiry we opened up (around space and collectivity) in our last call

This seems like a worthy path to me as well, though I defiantly think that it's good to actually practice (safe to fail experimentation) rather than just talk and think about things!

I am inhabiting and tending to a "remote reality" ... in which we ARE physically alone.

@Ronen Hirsch - I'm of similar opinion. If anything, we are individuals working together in a group. You cant have the latter without the former first; as Wilbur would say - greater depth, less span. It's ultimately holons all the way up and down but IMO the collective is a scale above the singular.

Re: Holochain, I'm pretty sure they are influenced by Wilbur. Agree with Arts take on relativity as well.

Hi Ronen, I went back through this thread today and am trying something to experiment with having some genuine aspect of your co-presence with me here in North America. Attached is a photo of the new installation on my office bookshelf :)

So, how do we find a space? By having conversations in other spaces

I was talking with Dil Green (sentient commons/credit commons) about language & semantics and following up on a link he sent over called "Learn Clean Language" I found this video which is kinda interesting given the unfolding conversation: https://learncleanlanguage.com/learn/5-advanced/5-3-clean-space-and-emergence/*

*its basically psychotherapy stuff, but seemed very relevant to unfolding spaces. I have mixed feelings about the site so just take it for what it is if you decide to watch it (on high speed recommended if so).

This talk from Bonnitta Roy speaks much into the inquiry of "making a space" and "entering a space" ... especially during the last third.

For context: This video is mostly a response to questions that came after a series of 4 presentations she gave in the weeks before called "The Hollow" which are the most refreshing and penetrating presentations I've seen in quite some time!

Yeah I'm gonna have to come back to this one, I jumped into the las third and am hearing her talk about seeing models everywhere meaning that your in-fact your looking at your mind. A problem with all metaphysicians... Mic drop... I'm gonna have to take the time to listen to her further as the take is super valid!

"its a tough rabbit hole" hahah