TPG service
Question on the table: does council approve continuation of TPG service to association as a project manager (where discussed compensation 1000 Euro is payment for his extra free time, the time what he contributes extra to his regular free hours.
Poll Created Thu 3 Apr 2014 1:43PM
Does council agree to accept TPG's service until further notice? Closed Sun 6 Apr 2014 2:08PM
Accepted, but we need to improve dicussions.
When voting, please say "yes" or "no", and if "yes", from which month it should go now: starting March (since we did not raise this topic earlier only due to delay in funding) , or starting April.
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 90.0% | 9 |
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| Abstain | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Disagree | 10.0% | 1 |
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| Block | 0.0% | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 0% | 3 |
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10 of 13 people have voted (76%)
Raphaël Jadot
Thu 3 Apr 2014 2:38PM
I agree on the principle, but there are things that must be done for regular pay.
Bernhard Rosenkränzer
Thu 3 Apr 2014 3:52PM
There's ways to circumvent the VAT number problem (e.g. OMV pays Lindev, Lindev pays TPG the same amount).
At least as far as .ch is concerned, there is no VAT on services provided outside the country.
Anurag Bhandari
Thu 3 Apr 2014 6:43PM
TPG is doing a fine job, so no double thoughts about the decision. But I agree with Raph's free time comment.
Wayne Sallee
Sat 5 Apr 2014 2:21PM
I'm going to vote no. Not because I have anything against TPG, but because we need to have clear direction in what we are doing and where we are going, and not be so quick to throw out a vote without first having a full discussion.
Kate Lebedeff Thu 3 Apr 2014 3:45PM
@raphaeljadot I suggest to discuss technical details out of public, directly with TPG
Wayne Sallee Thu 3 Apr 2014 10:00PM
How about more details.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com
Raphaël Jadot Fri 4 Apr 2014 7:56AM
@waynesallee please initiate an email on council mailing list with all your concerns, it's important to get clear on all this.
Wayne Sallee Sat 5 Apr 2014 2:25PM
We need to try to have better clarity in what we are voting for. And the voting has in my opinion been coming a bit to quick to not allow discussion, and decision on what we want to vote on.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com
Kate Lebedeff Sat 5 Apr 2014 3:41PM
@waynesallee full discussion on this issue with full description of services etc happened in october last year in council ML. Feel free to take it up.
Currently only the continuation is on the table
jclvanier Sat 5 Apr 2014 7:04PM
I understand the reticence of Wayne. We should have first adopt some rules for discussion. And first of all: what do we need? Only after we will be able to decide for what we agree to pay.
This said, we have a problem to resolve:
-- do we need that TPG continues his great and necessary job? For me the answer is obvious: yes.
-- have we the money for that? Yes. At least it should be the case till the end of 2014.
-- does this choice can prevent to do other things ? Imo, no, since we should have enough money.
Therefore, my vote is yes to the proposal for he year 2014.
About the reservations of Raphaël, I have started some reseaches and the fact that TPG is a member of the association should not be a problem. But this must to be confirmed. I suggest to continue the investigations for the best way of doing and give the results to the council.
Raphaël Jadot · Thu 3 Apr 2014 2:34PM
2 things:
We need an identification number of the company, to have the VAT specified (or a line explaining why there is no VAT, such as for entrepreneurs in France) and TPG should not be member of the Association (or only consultative member, with no voice)
If TPG can't have a company number identification, then we can hire him as an employee (I started to ask informations about this) or use an intermediate company such as eLance or oDesk.