Thu 3 Apr 2014 1:40PM

TPG service

KL Kate Lebedeff Public Seen by 298

Question on the table: does council approve continuation of TPG service to association as a project manager (where discussed compensation 1000 Euro is payment for his extra free time, the time what he contributes extra to his regular free hours.


Poll Created Thu 3 Apr 2014 1:43PM

Does council agree to accept TPG's service until further notice? Closed Sun 6 Apr 2014 2:08PM

by Raphaël Jadot Tue 16 May 2017 5:38PM

Accepted, but we need to improve dicussions.

When voting, please say "yes" or "no", and if "yes", from which month it should go now: starting March (since we did not raise this topic earlier only due to delay in funding) , or starting April.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 90.0% 9 RJ AB J KL BR AK VR R DS
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 10.0% 1 WS
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 3 CC TPG AV

10 of 13 people have voted (76%)


Raphaël Jadot
Thu 3 Apr 2014 2:38PM

I agree on the principle, but there are things that must be done for regular pay.


Bernhard Rosenkränzer
Thu 3 Apr 2014 3:52PM

There's ways to circumvent the VAT number problem (e.g. OMV pays Lindev, Lindev pays TPG the same amount).
At least as far as .ch is concerned, there is no VAT on services provided outside the country.


Anurag Bhandari
Thu 3 Apr 2014 6:43PM

TPG is doing a fine job, so no double thoughts about the decision. But I agree with Raph's free time comment.


Wayne Sallee
Sat 5 Apr 2014 2:21PM

I'm going to vote no. Not because I have anything against TPG, but because we need to have clear direction in what we are doing and where we are going, and not be so quick to throw out a vote without first having a full discussion.


Raphaël Jadot Thu 3 Apr 2014 2:34PM

2 things:

  • We need to pay a company (or self employed), we can't bear the invoice we had until now.

We need an identification number of the company, to have the VAT specified (or a line explaining why there is no VAT, such as for entrepreneurs in France) and TPG should not be member of the Association (or only consultative member, with no voice)

If TPG can't have a company number identification, then we can hire him as an employee (I started to ask informations about this) or use an intermediate company such as eLance or oDesk.

  1. We should not compensate for free time, because it's unfair to all people to give free time, and it's not something we can add in a contract. We pay him for project management, or maybe other things, and it should be established even in a very simple contract.

Kate Lebedeff Thu 3 Apr 2014 3:45PM

@raphaeljadot I suggest to discuss technical details out of public, directly with TPG


Wayne Sallee Thu 3 Apr 2014 10:00PM

How about more details.

Wayne Sallee


Raphaël Jadot Fri 4 Apr 2014 7:56AM

@waynesallee please initiate an email on council mailing list with all your concerns, it's important to get clear on all this.


Wayne Sallee Sat 5 Apr 2014 2:25PM

We need to try to have better clarity in what we are voting for. And the voting has in my opinion been coming a bit to quick to not allow discussion, and decision on what we want to vote on.

Wayne Sallee


Kate Lebedeff Sat 5 Apr 2014 3:41PM

@waynesallee full discussion on this issue with full description of services etc happened in october last year in council ML. Feel free to take it up.
Currently only the continuation is on the table


jclvanier Sat 5 Apr 2014 7:04PM

I understand the reticence of Wayne. We should have first adopt some rules for discussion. And first of all: what do we need? Only after we will be able to decide for what we agree to pay.
This said, we have a problem to resolve:
-- do we need that TPG continues his great and necessary job? For me the answer is obvious: yes.
-- have we the money for that? Yes. At least it should be the case till the end of 2014.
-- does this choice can prevent to do other things ? Imo, no, since we should have enough money.
Therefore, my vote is yes to the proposal for he year 2014.

About the reservations of Raphaël, I have started some reseaches and the fact that TPG is a member of the association should not be a problem. But this must to be confirmed. I suggest to continue the investigations for the best way of doing and give the results to the council.