Loomio
Fri 9 Dec 2022 3:44PM

Proposed changes to the Loomio voting process for e-NABLE proposals

JS Jeremy Simon Public Seen by 120

e-NABLE’s Loomio voting process has served the community effectively for about six years now. It has resulted in quite a few funded projects and governance decisions that have helped to move the community forward in various ways.  See https://www.loomio.com/e-nablio for a full history of our past proposals.

Although the overall process has worked, in recent months, the Community Coordination Council has identified some specific aspects of the process that can be improved. This thread is intended open a discussion and air some possible improvements.

  • Discussion prior to voting

    • On September 20, 2020, the community voted to approve a new policy stating that new proposals would require a discussion period of 1 week before voting starts, and then voting would need to run for at least 7 days. See the full details here.

    • Although the policy was approved, it has not always been observed. Some proposals initiated a vote without a prior discussion. To address this issue, we propose to adjust Loomio permissions so that anyone can create a new discussion thread, but only admins are allowed to start the voting process for a new proposal.

  • Extensions of voting deadlines

    • At present, a failing proposal can be extended repeatedly in order to achieve the desired outcome. It is also possible for  proposals to be modified without allowing adequate time for consideration.  We therefore propose 

    • (1) each proposal should have a voting period of 10 calendar days, with no extensions (unless admins determine that it's appropriate)

    • (2) there should be no changes to proposals within 48 hours of the closing deadline. That way, If changes are made that people have time to vote, or change their votes if they choose.

  • Voting on your own proposals

    • We propose to make it explicit that the lead proposal author/submitter should not vote on their own proposals

  • Requirements to participate in voting

    • The Loomio voting process is designed to ensure that active participants in the e-NABLE community have a say in policy and funding decisions. It should not be possible to recruit non-active friends and/or family members to help get a proposal passed. Therefore, we propose that eligible voters must have:

      • (1)  Joined the e-NABLE Hub, and 

      • (2) Introduced self in the e-NABLE Hub 

    • Each of the above activities results in a digital badge being awarded. Going forward, admins will check to see that these two badges have been obtained at least 10 days before the new membership requests to Loomio are approved.   

  • Calculations for a passing vote

    • The current rules for determining whether a vote passes are as follows:

      • Each project proposal must receive at least 15 Agree votes with at least 80% of the total votes in support of the project in order to be approved. For determining the approval percentage, “Abstain” votes are not counted in the total.

    • This means that “Abstain” votes do not impact the result at all, even though it often indicates genuine ambivalence on the part of the voter (e.g., as compared to those who simply do not vote).

    • To address this issue, we propose that the voting calculations be revised as follows:

      • To be approved, each project proposal must receive at least 20 total votes, with at least 80% of the total votes in support of the project. 10% or more Disagree votes would require discussion in a Town Hall meeting.

    • Block votes:

      • In addition to “Agree,” “Abstain,” and “Disagree,” Loomio also provides a “Block” option when voting

      • If anyone votes to block, this puts voting on hold until the next Town Hall Meeting (currently held each Friday)

      • The blocking voter is expected to attend the next weekly Town Hall meeting to discuss the reasons for the block vote. At the end of this discussion, the attendees of the Town Hall will vote to decide whether to lift the block and allow voting to proceed or to cancel the vote in its current form.

      • If the blocking voter does not show up to the Town Hall meeting, that person’s block vote can be sustained or canceled by a vote of those in attendance.

LG

Leland Green
Agree
Fri 30 Dec 2022 3:59PM

This may not be perfect (IMHO), but it's very close to an ideal solution for a real problem. So I vote to fix that problem, since this will do it. :-)

RH

Rufaida Hussain
Agree
Fri 30 Dec 2022 3:59PM

It's a beneficial proposal.

AJ

Adam Jennings Fri 30 Dec 2022 4:28PM

I think some clarity is needed re: changes to "Abstain" votes. As written, it's unclear whether a) the abstain option is being removed entirely, or b) "voting to abstain" will have some tangible impact. As I understand it, it simply increases the value of the denominator (total votes) to increase the threshold total of "Agree" votes needed for the issue to pass. Do I have that right?

JS

Jon Schull Fri 6 Jan 2023 4:22PM

That is correct Adam!! and happy New Year!

J

Johannes Fri 6 Jan 2023 1:15PM

I agree with the proposal especially to look at people with special needs with special skills.

J

Johannes Fri 6 Jan 2023 1:18PM

Blocking votes seems to punitive .Maybe a period of grace as a reminder before action.

JS

Jon Schull Fri 6 Jan 2023 4:24PM

When we say "Blocking votes" we don't mean that voting is blocked 8-o. It means we will have some discussion in the Town Hall before the vote is concluded.

JO

Jen Owen Fri 6 Jan 2023 5:56PM

Looks like a great new system. Thank you for taking the time to do this Jeremy and for all of your work over the past 10 years to make sure this community continues to thrive.

SS

Saiph Savage Sun 8 Jan 2023 11:25PM

I'm in favor! Voted

J

Johannes Thu 12 Jan 2023 7:37PM

I propose for yes