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Preliminary bylaws approval process

Nathan Schneider PublicSeen by 40

This is a thread for finalizing the initial bylaws for Social.coop.

Do we approve of these bylaws?

proposal by Nathan Schneider Closed Fri 11 Aug 2017 3:12AM

Outcome
by Nathan Schneider

WE HAVE BYLAWS! Congratulations, all. This is a big step forward. Now time for working groups to get going on policies.

The Governance / Legal Working Group has just approved an initial bylaws document, and we are now bringing it to the full group to approve. If we approve it (according to the standards the bylaws themselves recommend in the last section, I think we can consider it approved:

  • At least 10 days allowed for members to weigh in
  • Agreement by at least 75% of voting members
  • No blocks, unless 95% agreement is reached

View the bylaws draft here.

Keep in mind that these are the work of considerable effort from the working group, so please respect their/our effort that went into this. Nevertheless, if you see glaring need for changes, now is a good time to say so, and we can re-propose an amended version if necessary.

We're very much looking forward to grounding this cooperative in some worthy bylaws!

Results

Luke Opperman
Agree

Simple, describe and slightly formalize a current set of processes. Good place to start.

Michele Kipiel
Agree

Very concise and straight to the point, I like every bit of this.

William Murphy

I like what you have created for the foundational rules, but these bylaws make reference to other policies which I don't see included.

"Members may operate on their own initiative based on pre-established policy (areas of activity, scope of working groups, terms of service, codes of conduct, moderation policies, etc.)"

It is difficult to make a decision without knowing what is in the other policies. I know some are in development (e.g. code of conduct). So, if the situation is that we cannot make these policies until we have a process for doing so (i.e. these bylaws), would it be reasonable to make it explicit in this version which policies are pending and define the expectation to add them to the bylaws?

Nathan Schneider

@williammurphy it's a bit of chicken-and-egg. But I don't think we can approve of policies without bylaws as a basis for doing so. Once we have these bylaws in place, we can get to work on spelling out the more detailed policies.

Nathan Schneider

Now that we have bylaws, @mayel, is there a way we can post them to the website? What's the best way to host static content?

Tobias Damm-Luhr @tobiasfdl

@ntnsndr I would very much like to move forward and work on policies, but I noticed that we got a 20% turnout on the bylaws approval proposal, whereas the bylaws say we need 75% of voting members to agree. Do we need a larger percentage of members to vote "Agree" to approve the bylaws?

Mayel de Borniol

@tobiasdammluhr We discussed turnout when drafting the bylaws but figured that requiring any minimum turnout might just freeze us to a standstill, that's why it is worded as "voting members", meaning only members who actually weight in on a proposal are counted (note that this does include people who explicitly "Abstain")

Mayel de Borniol

I went ahead and put them on a dedicated page: https://social.coop/bylaws and also updated the homepage and 'more about' page with links to it. Maybe would be a good idea to update the homepage copy with some of the phrasings from the bylaws.

Mayel de Borniol

Voila @ntnsndr : https://social.coop/terms
This is the standard Mastodon 'terms of service' page, if we want to use this URL for the code of conduct once we have it, we can move the bylaws to a similar static page.

Nathan Schneider

@mayel is it easy to replace the "mastodon" logo above the bylaws (and other static pages) with our logo and the name "social.coop"? Otherwise it seems like these are bylaws for mastodon itself.

Michele Kipiel

I'm currently working on a few versions of the "three pines" logo, I'll share them as soon as I'm back from my "away from civilization" weekend :)

Neville Park

I was going to contribute a sketch of my own logo idea but it's basically just the first one of yours!

Mayel de Borniol

I like the bottom right a lot!

I played with it a bit, putting it on a dark background, and also based on this symbolism thought two pines might be better: http://www.co-soap.com/cooperation

what do you think?

Nathan Schneider

@michelekipiel @mayel if this conversation continues, let's start a separate thread.

I would go for either two pines (to make clear the co-op connection) or three pines (to combine the co-op movement with the mastodon logo).

I love these! Great work!

Should we do a "dot vote" on our favorite options?

Michele Kipiel

Thank you! I'll add a few more variations, give each a number and start the vote ASAP

Michele Kipiel

I updated the file with a "three pine" variation of the logo @mayel proposed, check it out and let me know! :)

Nathan Schneider

Is there a proposal made about this? I'm not sure where to see it.

Nathan Schneider

Ooh, I love the far-right one on the second-to-last row. Hits a great balance between mastodon and co-op. Can we start an approval process? Or just start using it?

Michele Kipiel

Glad you like them :)
Since a logo is something we all should identify with, I'd say let's vote and keep things democratic at all levels.

Michele Kipiel

OT: I will be on holiday for the next 14 days with very limited access to the internet (I'll be touring Iceland) so feel free to hold the vote and pick the icon you like best without me!

Matt Noyes

Three questions:
1. how are working groups created?
2. Shouldn't "at least 50%" should be "more than 50%"? Or is this not about a majority?
3. What does this mean? "No blocks, unless 90% agreement is reached"

Robert Benjamin

Did you get a reply on this? Unclear on the blocks reference as well.

Matt Noyes

I did not see a reply to this, but I have been busy and traveling this week.