The Association does not pay for services, and everybody here contributes within his/her free time. This is the general rule. At the same time there will be some exceptions, and it is these on which we must have a common vision.
When should the association pay for services?
- When the service provided is necessary for association legal or operational reasons and there is no volunteer with the ability or professional qualification to undertake the task.
- When the service involves an important responsibility, such as presence and actions within/at certain times, which must be guaranteed (and where people contributing only their free time are unable to meet).
- When existing contributors do not have the necessary breadth of knowledge, experience or skills (for example legal or accounting service)
- When the service required is of major importance to the distribution.
The Association via the council are responsible for making best possible choices for the disbursement of funds donated by our sponsors, maecenas and donators, and for maintaining the value and availability of the assets (the OMA distribution) entrusted to them (the Council) on behalf of the community. This responsibility includes making the best possible use of the assets available and ensuring the greatest benefit from the available financial resources for the distribution and the community.
Furthermore, the Association, through the Council, pledge to use part of the money to facilitate, encourage and maintain the participation of members to the association purpose, to keep solidarity, commitment and good atmosphere at a high level. This by means which will be determined over time and depending on circumstancies, in respect of 1901 Non Profit Association spirit and French Law.
Poll Created Wed 14 May 2014 5:10PM
Do you agree on payments policy? Closed Sat 17 May 2014 6:06PM
|Results||Option||% of points||Voters|
||Agree||72.7%||8||KL VR CC DS|
11 of 13 people have voted (84%)
Wed 14 May 2014 7:46PM
I just disagree for the reason told in comment, if this part is fixed I'll change to agreement :)
Thu 15 May 2014 1:29AM
I hold similar a opinion on gifts and rewards as does Raphael. For that reason, I abstain.
Fri 16 May 2014 7:38AM
I agree with the new formulation (I had the same reserves/doubts as Raphël and Anurag).
Fri 16 May 2014 9:55PM
Because this poll as well as the other poll were pushed before giving time for proper discussion, I'm going to abstain on this vote.
Kate Lebedeff Thu 15 May 2014 3:42PM
Sure we can replace as you suggest the text. Regarding "not doable" - I am not sure I understand what you mean? @raphaeljadot
Raphaël Jadot Thu 15 May 2014 3:51PM
@katelebedeff it's the legal reason I gave in mailing list, we can give money or hardware only in these conditions:
- wage (to avoid to salary people without protection)
- bill of professional worker or company
- Prizes in the case of a contest, if rules are validated by bailiff
- or very small gift under 60€/person/year
Council Judgement only is not legally sufficient reason, for a NPO, to give money to someone, and doing so could bring serious troubles... At least in France, I don't know for other countries...
Kate Lebedeff Thu 15 May 2014 3:55PM
OK, let's imagine as an example, we have a contest "best coder of the month" where amount and quality are judged by TC under certain rules.
Is this OK?
Kate Lebedeff Thu 15 May 2014 6:08PM
I suggest we just then change wording to "all of the above to be done in full accordance with the law", and then we decide how to proceed on a case by case basis
Raphaël Jadot Thu 15 May 2014 7:25PM
@katelebedeff I would rather reformulate, as something like this:
We pledge to use part of the money to facilitate, encourage and maintain the participation of members to the association purpose, to keep solidarity, commitment and good atmosphere at a high level. This by means which will be determined over time and depending on circumstancies, in respect of 1901 Non Profit Association spirit and French Law.
Raphaël Jadot Thu 15 May 2014 7:51PM
@katelebedeff great :) I tried to keep all your ideas and mine in a same sentence.
Do you agree if I reopen the poll with new formulation?
Kate Lebedeff Thu 15 May 2014 7:58PM
sure we can reopen, but we can also just leave like is - from comments the change is clear
up to you:)
Raphaël Jadot Thu 15 May 2014 8:13PM
just wanted to be sure that @denissilakov and @bernhardrosenkranz who already voted does still agree with the reformulation :)
Colin Close Fri 16 May 2014 9:03AM
I think it would be worth trying to find out what the position is internationally. i.e. are payments made outside France subject to French law and if so to what extent.
I'm generally in agreement though. The new wording still allows sufficient flexibility to be able to do most of what was in the original statement.
Wayne Sallee Fri 16 May 2014 9:51PM
It would have been better if we had continued our discussion in the council mailing list rather than for this to be quickly sent to a poll before the discussion was threshed out.
Bernhard Rosenkränzer Sun 18 May 2014 1:36PM
FWIW, still agree, even like the reformulated version better
Raphaël Jadot · Wed 14 May 2014 7:40PM
I agree mostly all except:
Because it's not doable
I would also replace