Groups and their principles

@gregorycassel thanks for the Edward West post link! Great to see this attitude of collaborative alliance to create something bigger than the parts, and emphasis on getting away from the individual branding of projects and products.

A couple discussion points:

1. I'm not sure the UI/UX is the key, although I agree it is important. The data has to mesh together too to actually create inter-operability and the ability to create a bigger system out of small open apps plugged together. Duplicating data is no fun.

2. The list of applications is great, but there isn't much for actual exchanges, and nothing for creation of value, although there was more of a hint of that in an earlier version. If we're going to be able to manage our transition to the next economy with some seeds in place, those seem central to me.

I'd be interested in others' thoughts....

The data has to mesh together too to actually create inter-operability and the ability to create a bigger system out of small open apps plugged together.

I agree, and I think this has been a great focal point for some people in the history of Open Apps Ecosystem and Value Flows.

I suggest that UX is probably the key consideration for any end-user application; but perhaps inter-operability should ultimately be considered part of the UX? (The UX not the UI.)

Consider also community experience.

The list of applications is great, but there isn’t much for actual exchanges, and nothing for creation of value, although there was more of a hint of that in an earlier version. If we’re going to be able to manage our transition to the next economy with some seeds in place, those seem central to me.

I agree on this too, although I would imagine that even a lot of techies and coders are reluctant to look closely at value accounting systems/formulae for interactions, contributions and feedback which have traditionally been handled organically-- which seems good-- but also according to vast tangles of implicit biases and privileges, which isn't so good.

Perhaps value accounting systems are our wickedest overall problem, but I think it's a key challenge to face.

Re interop vs UX: think about the stories of the mutual credit networks. Some people belong to more than one network. Often people want to trade between networks. The Mutual Aid Networks are using two different apps, and members will have presences in both and intertrade between both. In Montreal, several organizations (with different internal systems) will move into the same lab and share resources. Interesting UX problems...

At the risk of information overload, I just ran into [Backfeed[(http://backfeed.cc/) via Ouishare's very new blockchain experiment . "Backfeed is building a canonical protocol and platform (akin to the HTTP protocol and the web browser) to enable blockchain-based decentralized collaboration, as easily as one would deploy a website today."

I myself am information-overloaded, diffused and struggling to constructively connect dots. ;)

perhaps inter-operability should ultimately be considered part of the UX?

@gregorycassel That's a good way to think of it, especially if you are starting with UX/UI as your focus. But it is a different animal from the technical side, requires a different set of efforts. But I'm happy as long as we get there.... :)

@bobhaugen good examples of this phenomenon.

What kind of groups are you actually looking for? only 'techy' groups it looks like...

@riabaeck - yeah, sorry about that. This conversation spun out of the Open Apps Ecosystem group, and started out to be a discussion about collaboration between people working on overlapping software projects.

But what kinds of groups did you have in mind? Maybe this discussion is too narrowly focused.

@riabaeck I personally am primarily concerned with social organizational tools and techniques-- including written protocols, agreements, policies and procedures etc-- and secondarily (but quite critically, these days) with software.