Feature update: Volume

Is it possible, do not assign default volume and is the user that selects among the four options?
Loud - Normal - Quiet - Mute

@carlosgallogaravan It will be possible to filter your dashboard by volume level in the future.. so you could filter to only see normal and loud content.

In the meantime.. if you Mute a group then you will not see it in your dashboard, but I understand that this is slightly different to toggling following. Sorry for the inconvenience!

The default volume level for a user might be cool, but it would be more development and we needed to draw the line somewhere to balance functionality and speed of development. It might happen in the future.

Actually.. @carlosgallogaravan, I think that we should not restore "Following" but rather add "Participating" as a filter.

This would filter discussions to only those you have been participating in. IE: This button will filter discussions to only show those that you have started, or commented in, or voted upon etc.

Thank You @robertguthrie
I already tested the group Quiet and Mute, but continues to visible in dashboard

FYI about 600 of the 180,000 visits to the dashboard in the last month have had the "following" filter active.

Thank You @richarddbartlett
Interesting information, which allowed to make decisions

@carlosgallogaravan it might be a bit confusing.. if you set the group to mute then it will not show in dashboard - BUT! discussions might have their own volume level overriding the group setting. In those cases you will need to mute the individual discussions.

Why would that happen? Because of the migration from following to volume, we have set all discussions that you were following to have volume normal or loud.

What can you do about this?
* Ensure that "Change discussion volume when I participate" (in the email settings page) is off.
* Set the group to Mute.
* Set any discussions that still show up in the dashboard to mute also.

New discussions will start as muted so they will not show up.

Thanks for the feedback and patience @carlosgallogaravan, it's helpful. Maybe we need to ask the user if they want to mute/change all their existing discussions when they change the volume for a group?

Thank You @robertguthrie
I will verify following your comments

Thanks for this work & lovely consultation, @robertguthrie.

One thing I'd like is an option to mute a discussion from the inbox.

@matthewbartlett that'll be in the L1.0 inbox.

@joshuavial ^{^}

Awesome, looking forward to muting all the things.

@robertguthrie
Attached is a way to identify the four options volume

Name: Total, Normal, Minimum and Mentioned

Meaning of the symbols from left to right:
1- When I was mentioned
2- Information on the dashboard
3- Summary activity 24 hours
4- New discussion
5- Activity proposals
6- Activity in discussions

I hope I explained properly and allows to improve the use of volume

Wow, @carlosgallogaravan that's really cool. Definitely worth thinking about.

@robertguthrie Are the advantages of working in teams and sharing

Thanks for thinking about all this. I would just say that the label normal gives an idea of what people should select (or will influence people to select that option if they don't have a strong opinion themselves), having an effect on how people use Loomio. And I don't think that that option is necessarily the one that should be encouraged (or at least there could be differing opinions about that).

What if we use other labels such as all / most / some / only @mentions? These labels are in line with the idea of "information", since they describe the level of information one would receive, not the metaphor of "volume". This might imply looking at the metaphor of "volume" again, which I like in theory but I don't think works well with designations for the volume levels.

And there's a distinction between getting emails for those trigger actions, and getting notifications and/or a listing of missed activity on the dashboard and/or inbox, which are intra-Loomio notifications. I think that the "volume" setting should be clear about whether the user will receive an email or will just see that activity once they log onto Loomio.

I also think that people should be able to decide to mute or unfollow certain discussions, with the default being following. This would reduce the annoying effect of being always notified of everything inside Loomio without having to opt out of all notifications all together. You can opt out, but you have to do so for the specific discussion you don't want to follow anymore. My thinking here is that if people are allowed to opt out in general, and not on a discussion-by-discussion basis, they may do that and then miss out on things they might have contributed to if they had been notified. (Often people get emotional or fed up about a certain topic, and decide they've had it with Loomio as a whole, and then don't go back to readjust their settings once they feel more positive about things - because they're not being notified and might think nothing is happening!)

I am saying this because the mockup above seems to be for general settings, not discussion-specific settings. So that's another distinction to keep in mind.

I hope I'm on the right track here?

@olover I agree with your comments.
My proposal can be improved
Are general settings, each discussion and more complicated with increasing personalization.

I also think that people should be able to decide to mute or unfollow certain discussions, with the default being following.

You can do this. You can set the group level to Normal or Loud, and mute any particular discussion.

Now that we've released this, I don't think we'll be reconsidering the metaphor used for a long time. We've got to move on and this seems good enough to move forward with.

I like the metaphor and I don't consider "normal" to necessarily be the right or proper thing to do, haha. I really appreciate your thoughtful reflection and detailed engagement here @olover . (Bearing in mind I'm just a community member like you.) You have lots of good ideas.

It's true! I've also really appreciated your feedback @olover.

I think that it's just too much for me to be reconsidering this stuff now.

I need to duck out of volume thinking to work on other stuff just as intently.

Additionally I feel like I've looked at it for sooo long I can't be objective about it, and I just have to hope I've done a "good enough" job at this point. You are welcome to keep discussing it.. but I think I will mute the thread (haha!) and ask people don't mention me for a while.

Note: I'm still interested in bug reports! Just not redesign stuff until we get the whole L1.0 out the door.

Probably my fault for not knowing English and use google translator. Apologies if I interpreted wrongly

In recent reviews of this discussion, some users commented improvements or notify errors and should not exist complaints about the amount for suggestions that are written.

Another issue or story is that members of Loomio, have time and priorities to implement them.

Personally I do not feel I mentioned and I will continue writing my suggestions and comments.

It is also true that a lack of feedback, may be the failure of Loomio

this is a brilliant value add @robertguthrie thanks much!

Unsure it's working properly — I just got a notification about an outcome statement in a discussion I'd muted.

Notifications ignore Volume at this point.

@richarddbartlett … though the label on Mute says "do not notify unless @mentioned"

I think this is still a bug: This proposal is turning up in my inbox, though the conversation it lives in is muted.