Crowdfunding for the I-80 (Boston/NYC-Sacramento) Caravan?

MW Miles Wilkerson Public Seen by 20

Organizers in the Northeast are trying to set up a Caravan from Boston and NYC to Sacramento. We'd probably leave around June 26th. The main things are that a) we need more drivers and b) we'll probably need funds to get us there.

The question is: should we set up a crowdfund for the caravan? It would help defray the costs for gas.


Tricia Fri 16 May 2014 7:03PM

Good idea. The caravan is as popular an idea as the gathering itself. Using a different funding platform for gas and supplies will be useful. The money going to the AfGJ can be dedicated to needs while in Sacramento.
You'd probably need a good video.


Jackie Fri 16 May 2014 7:48PM

Great question, and one that needs deciding asap, (like three months ago, really.)

I think early alignment (but no formal proposal or decision) on the idea of the general fund supporting on the ground necessities, and all other projects needing to fund raise independently.

However, we since found out that there could be a pull-down area on the AFGJ donation page where folks could allocate their donation to a specific project. So it is within our grasp to have a ready made donation spot for a or all caravans. (or other projects)

To my knowledge, there is no energy, desire or commitment from anyone in the finance group to handle finance decisions for, or disbursement to projects. It will be complex enough to just deal with on the ground funds.
However, I am sure that between finance and admin, we can keep online track of it.

Actual decisions on whether to use this option or set up an independent crowdsource, how to disburse funds, to whom to disburse funds and how would have to be done by the project organizers or finance group.

For the caravans, I set up some pads and a suggested organizing to do list at line 52 of this doc:
NatGat3 Caravans Main Pad

here's how far we got with crowdsourcing funds on the
finance wg agenda:
Crowdsource sites
needed for:
- Caravan?
- concert?
- racism training
- food (this would be under general fund not independent-js)
- permits/venue rental (this would be under general fund not independent-js)
- swag (needed by early July for promotional purposes)

I'm glad we have this discussion for the whole group to be aware and up to speed on finances. Would then take the work over to Caravans or Finance subgroups.



Jackie Fri 16 May 2014 8:50PM

Never mind Caravans and Rideshares subgroup - I see you got another subgroup going for I-80.

there’s an empty pad ready for that route if needed.
I-80 NE-BOS-NYC-Grove City, PA-Iowa City-Des Moines-Laramie, WY-Reno, NV-Sacramento


Sea Sat 17 May 2014 6:50PM

Assuming we get the money (and its starting to come in) I-80 Caravan might know people in I-10 Caravan. The latter comes in through So Cal where we have an offer of fresh organic food. See the Food and Water Group and the Intro and Icebreakers discussion. Its possible that we could also help Julia Clark bring her trailer from South Mississippi.

The intensity is mounting in Sacramento. Its a very real possibility that Julia could set up a week or two early so that we'd have an onsite, real-time office. And those also coming from the South could bring the food from Ojai. Sally put Ojai on the Caravan map.


Sally G Sun 18 May 2014 4:00AM

Do we have cities along the I-10 route? Onto the map, if so!


Julia Clark Mon 19 May 2014 4:08PM

Remember the JCOrg has a caravan with chuckwagon, mobile office, and power station. Please keep it in mind and give a sister some guidance.


Jackie Mon 19 May 2014 5:54PM

I thought this discussion is about crowdfunding. Any decisons on that from caravans?

Sounds like a crowdfund was set up?:
"Assuming we get the money (and its starting to come in)"


Julia Clark Mon 19 May 2014 6:24PM

I have heard or read no thing about crowd funding at the moment other than here.

I did tap an old advertising agency associate of mine, he won an Addy on one of the campaigns of something related to me. I do not recall. I do recall an Addy is something nifty.

He very much has his head in the Occupation Zone.

Other than that on the back burner, I am flying by the seat of my pants.

I thought we has spoken about putting a link on the main NATGAT pages for associated groups , but frankly, I do not feel polished enough.


Tricia Mon 19 May 2014 7:25PM

I think Occupy Madison's tiny homes project is the most successful crowd funding campaign I've seen come out of Occupy. It's an indegogo.


All of these things need a video.... Do you know anyone who can put a quick video together for you


Daniel Hong Tue 20 May 2014 3:29PM

@mileswilkerson Did you mean July 26, not June 26?

As I said before, I have experience in creating Indiegogo campaigns. If caravan organizers contact me personally, I can set up a plan of how I can get involved.


Sally G Tue 20 May 2014 5:01PM

@triciafromphilly @chasschaeffer @juliaclark See Daniel’s request for contact from caravan organizers to set up Indiegogo campaigns. Yea!


Sea Thu 22 May 2014 7:56PM

@triciafromphilly @chasschaeffer @juliaclark
Here are ideas for the I-10 or I-40 caravans to highlight Water as they come west.

Texas: Hundreds of water-districts have placed limitations, El Paso is reusing waste water, and is investing in a desalination plant, outdoor watering is prohibited on Mondays.

Utah: Limits on water usage during heat of day have ben in place for years, farmers and ranchers in southern Utah will have to scale back summer water usage.

New Mexico: Santa Feans can only water outside three days a week and once per month for washing each vehicle, permits are required for new irrigation systems with $200 fine, Carlsbad and Las Vegas residents can't water their lawns.

Colorado: Denver and Colorado Springs limit lawn water to three days a week.

Arizona: Residents of Safford in the southeast have been restricted since Feb 2013 to reduce usage by 30%, outdoor watering only twice weekly and no pools or spas and no new sod or grass, Williams no outdoor watering or washing vehicles with potable water and no new building permits, Payson limits to 89 gallons per day per resident.

Nevada: Southern Nevadans are cited if sprinkler irrigation systems operate outside assigned days, no new turf in Las Vegas, residents are paid to remove their grass $1.50 per square foot, golf courses are limited, Reno bans watering on Mon, Truckee water use goes up ten-fold during summer and so is restricted.

California: January 2014 Gov Brown delcared Stage 2 water emergency, Sacramentans must reduce use 20%, Visalia limits outdoor watering and washing cars, Willits limits use to 150 gallans per day, Los Angeles is reducing 20% by turning off water during shaving and tooth-brushing and shorter showers and using brooms to clean patios and sidewalks.


Sally G Fri 23 May 2014 2:00AM

great information; next outreach, might we want to engage the Occupys in those areas with a discussion of water issues? I am copying that info into a document that I will keep in my OccupyNatGat 2014 folder for future reference.


Julia Clark Fri 23 May 2014 5:14PM

@sea if you would like to scheduled a event as the SE Caravan heads that way. I disengage here around the 2nd or June.


Sally G Fri 23 May 2014 5:48PM

@juliaclark Do you have an itinerary? I will put your stops on the map, we can research Occupys along the way, etc.


Julia Clark Fri 23 May 2014 6:15PM

Not yet, I am still flying by the seat of my pants.
Please do reach out to the Occuptions for me..
Hosts would be one of the first orders.

The original plan was gong to Costa Rica and be done with this and give up on US.
And I felt terrible guilty about such because I had for so long actively counseled people not to abandon their country and come to the US. To stay and make reforms in their country. That the US was not what it was propagating.
Then the NATGAT came on my radar. I decided to give the Occupation the 6 Blood Moons.
But I am old, I am not certain I can do this. This is very much a young man's game. I am at the age where I should be contributing to the young man's campaigns, but I had to choose between health and wealth.
And here I am.
This sister all the guidance, support, and cajoling that can be mustered.
I am not delusional, I expect adversaries. I imagine I am not on a campaign of love. lol.
Now, is the time.
#ccc #occupy #JC


Julia Clark Fri 23 May 2014 6:17PM

The JCO's phone line text or direct (912) 541-1990
all calls are recorded.


Sea Fri 23 May 2014 11:46PM

Julia, are you having trouble ... ? Are you possibly not coming? Your trailer and office could be critically useful and the likelihood of having a place for it is getting much better, after talking to the Lawyer today. I left a message with my phone number, at the number you listed above. Call me.


Julia Clark Mon 26 May 2014 11:21PM

I hope @danielhong is OK he missed a meeting on Sunday and never responded with an oops or nothing :?


Julia Clark Tue 27 May 2014 1:29AM

Just heard from him. I will erase the message later maybe, after yesterday, I am more sensitive about erasing. I would not wish for him to misconstrue the post as a low ball to him or whatnot.


oswgwhe Tue 10 Jun 2014 6:02PM

How hard is it to crowd fund? Don't we need to provide some encouragement for folk East and North?


Sally G Tue 10 Jun 2014 8:29PM

It can be very hard to crowdfund; but it is also hard for the “Occupy National Gathering” to fund anything; we ourselves are basically crowdfunding.


oswgwhe Fri 13 Jun 2014 3:55PM

How about the drop down choices on the AFGJ page. Could there be one for the I-80, or even all the caravans? For instance, if Julia is moving through the SouthWest, she could use money to help influence the water rationing policies that are in place in the States she's moving through. That kind of action could impact California's welcome mat, since Brown has declared a Stage 2 drought, and the reservoirs are drying up faster and faster.


Sally G Fri 13 Jun 2014 10:31PM

Yes, we are working to get the I-5 and SE caravans on the drop-down menu. Have not had a request from I-80.


Daniel Hong Sun 15 Jun 2014 4:28PM

Let us know when those drop-down options come up, @sallyg


oswgwhe Sun 15 Jun 2014 6:48PM

Sacramento needs a drop-down item for things in general, which, it would be expected that the National group would then approve any actual expenditures, and leftover money would stay with the National.

We also need one, with the same expectations, that the National would approve expenditures, specifically for big items like a roach wagon, for bus transportation, and for some stuff to protect us from potential hot weather.

We are probably going to have a place to camp. If so, it won't be in the two-mile radius of the Capitol, additional expernses will be needed for that.

If its impractical for the National to approve some of these expenditures, then certain persons in Sacramento, not a committee, needs to be authorized to decide how and when to spend the money. LR, @lrroberts would be a good person to make these decisions.

If it gets this complicated (it may have to), we should see that Sacramento is under extreme duress. Things are changing too fast. People have been hurt more than once. Reconciliation may be hard to accomplish.


Sally G Mon 16 Jun 2014 2:01AM

Sea, the entire fund-rasiing is that “drop-down item”; anything not specifically designated for a special project. Sadly, outside of a small amount left from last year, there has been almost no money donated—certainly there is currently not enough for big expenses. Lisa proposed a budget for park, sound, insurance, etc; it is on this pad: http:natgat2014.titanpad.com/52; the finance group has worked out expenditure priorities on this pad: http:natgat2014.titanpad.com/79; we would like folks to review both of these pads and give approval to our direction on the Wed. call this week, 18 June.


NikiV Fri 27 Jun 2014 12:51AM

Definitely, I'd like to coordinate a publicized connection with the Climate Marchers if possible and maybe some occupy city hall or similar public comment opportunity to support online component. :-) Please contact me if u need help coordinating this opportunity.


Sally G Wed 16 Jul 2014 7:59PM

The emergency call from Julia sparked some donations: can we analyze that with thoughts of I-80 (anyone know anything?) and Antiracism Training in mind? Was it our internal folks helping to make it happen, which is good, or did we tap into something outside ourselves, which is better? I may have a proposal for tonight’s call—please don’t miss it; we are very close!


Sally G Wed 16 Jul 2014 7:59PM

http://www.climatemarch.org Anyone able/willing to connect?