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Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:29PM

Toward an annual budget

NS Nathan Schneider Public Seen by 205

We in the Finance Working Group have determined that the co-op should develop a cohesive annual budget. We currently take in far more than we spend; our current balance of £22k, for instance, exceeds our total spend over 5 years of £21k. Our current estimated annual budget is £15. The fact that we are so significantly underspending means that we are not effectively stewarding our members' resources to build the cooperative fediverse.

To get a budgetary process going, we have developed a very simple draft budget for the co-op, based on allocating funds to working groups. We invite your feedback to help make this more accurately reflect our needs and wants. Please share suggestions in the comments below.

Because we expect to see a new governance structure arise in Social.coop in early 2024, we anticipate that it will be an active participant in budgeting. But we hope that this thread can help inform and guide that process, and we in the FWG want to be active contributors to that.

KT

Kathe TB Thu 23 Nov 2023 1:53AM

Having a year's operating budget in the bank would not be a bad fiscal choice in my mind to ensure year over year stability. My priority would be 1) keeping the lights on (paying our server fees), 2) supporting our open source dev ecosystem, and 3) paying our 'staff' (I put this as 3 only because it's such a nominal payment that I expect most folks are doing this as effectively volunteer work). I agree with Mitra that the numbers look a little wonky but I think I got the gist of the question.

MN

Matt Noyes Thu 23 Nov 2023 4:05AM

Hi friends, it is important to add in the new Organizing Circle, whose members will receive stipends of some yet to be determined quantity.

BFM

Black Flag Medical Thu 23 Nov 2023 8:51AM

Generally, how would you like to see Social.Coop spend money? What kinds of projects should we fund?

I quite like the work Framasoft is doing (https://framasoft.org/en/), which includes free Nextcloud hosting for organisations (Framaspace - https://www.frama.space/abc/en/). In the context of social.coop, some kind of similar hosting (Nextcloud or other) would be interesting. Obviously there'd be server costs associated with this and would need to be budgeted.

Online training would also be an interesting service. Cyber security, sanitary online practices, VPN use, programming etc. Could be anything really, I was just trying to think of "technology" related ideas. Disaster Ready (https://www.disasterready.org/) does a brilliant job of this in the humanitarian space. Whether this was Social.Coop run training, or partnering with a training organisation to provide these courses, I don't know.

Offering a stipend for specifically social focused open source development projects. Members submit proposals for development projects, which are voted on by the membership and the successful projects receive some level of funding from social.coop. Could even just be maintenance of an existing OS projects, or perhaps direct funding for development of Fediverse tools.

That's all about expenses, but are there ways to increase the social.coop revenues as well? For example, I'm sure many members have excellent technology skills. Could social.coop source contract work, which members undertake for payment obviously, but social.coop retains a margin of the contract rate, which is then used to further fund and expand social.coop services.

M

mike_hales Thu 23 Nov 2023 12:18PM

@Black Flag Medical

I quite like the work Framasoft is doing (https://framasoft.org/en/), which includes free Nextcloud hosting for organisations (Framaspace - https://www.frama.space/abc/en/). In the context of social.coop, some kind of similar hosting (Nextcloud or other) would be interesting. Obviously there'd be server costs associated with this and would need to be budgeted.

👍 Framasoft has a great strategy, developed over a decade and more 💚 Also, May First Movement Technology provides NextCloud for members (as well as free-to-use jitsi) and is very solid on membership participation and democratic leadership. Maybe social.coop can take a membership of MayFirst like with meet.coop, to provide NextCloud accounts for members?

This principle of federated provisioning of digital infrastructure and paying for services is an important one? But not sure that MayFirst does multi-user membership in the way that meet.coop does (enabling social.coop to create individual accounts). @Matt Noyes d'you know? What's the status of discussions w MayFirst?

NS

Nathan Schneider Fri 24 Nov 2023 3:55PM

@mike_hales Social.coop is already a member of May First! I recently had the pleasure of paying our membership fee: https://opencollective.com/socialcoop/expenses/171880

See more about the membership on the wiki: https://wiki.social.coop/wiki/May_First_Movement_Technology

M

mike_hales Sat 25 Nov 2023 10:59AM

@Nathan Schneider This is great to hear thanks 🙂 It’s not 100% clear to me from the wiki, or in the thread a year ago, that cloud storage is available to individual members, or how to get it. Or email accounts. Calendars seems to be what the thread focuses on. Might it be made clear, just what each member can get in MayFirst service? Is there a cloud quota for example? Onward!

NS

Nathan Schneider Sat 25 Nov 2023 6:26PM

@mike_hales I just clarified on the wiki page:

Our membership is designed to support Social.coop's collective business, not individual members' needs. In addition to our collective membership, Social.coop invites its members to consider becoming individual members of May First as well.

M

mike_hales Thu 23 Nov 2023 12:32PM

@Black Flag Medical

Online training would also be an interesting service. Cyber security, sanitary online practices, VPN use, programming etc. Could be anything really, I was just trying to think of "technology" related ideas. Disaster Ready (https://www.disasterready.org/) does a brilliant job of this in the humanitarian space. Whether this was Social.Coop run training, or partnering with a training organisation to provide these courses, I don't know.

Yep another nice possibility 💚 An organisation that provides this kind of training is https://www.digitalrights.community/the-team Speak with them maybe? Also (more at the level of configuring digital tech rather than just using) there is https://simplysecure.org/who-we-are/ (rebranding, apparently, as 'Superbloom'). And MayFirst (see above https://www.loomio.com/d/liwtX0qd/toward-an-annual-budget/15) is hot on digital security, and campaigns on this with its movement members. Perhaps hold a webinar with all of the above, to figure a strategy for social.coop?

DT

Daniel Thomas Thu 23 Nov 2023 9:19AM

I think this looks like a plausible budget for expenditure (modulo needing to add the "k" onto the £15 which is confusing). What it needs to gain is an income budget: how much do we currently get in each year in donations (or other income sources). With healthy reserves we could plan to spend slightly more than we currently get in (perhaps other members like me would happily contribute more if they thought the money would be used well).

NS

Nathan Schneider Thu 23 Nov 2023 3:41PM

@Daniel Thomas Thanks @Caitlin Waddick, @[email protected] for taking care of this!

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