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GH Grahame Hunter Public Seen by 49

This is a space for any topics not covered in a specific thread - and for announcements which members wish to bring to the attention of the group as a whole, and that they prefer not to request for me to distribute in a general email.

So, in brief, for anything the group want to discuss in what is a public forum, but outside the main thread..this is the place.

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Abby Rose Fri 23 Jun 2017 2:11PM

@matteodv I am happy to get a recording at Groundswell with @johnanthonyallan and then share it with you. Let me know if there are any questions you want to ask in particular!

MDV

Matteo De Vos Mon 26 Jun 2017 1:26PM

Great idea @abbyrose !

Some of the questions I had in mind, in line with the recent Future Farm Lab post:

How have you found the experience so far being part of OurField?
What have you learned so far?
What do you think of the decision-making process of OurField?
How easy was it to answer the question about whether we should add Nitrogen to the field?
Looking at comments from others as they voted, did you reconsider at any time?
What are the risks and benefits you considered?
Now that the decision has been made not to add Nitrogen, how do you feel?
How different was this vote to the previous vote on what crop to grow?
Any other general comments, suggestions, or feelings about the experience?

TA

Tony Allan Tue 27 Jun 2017 6:21AM

How have you found the experience so far being part of OurField? VERY valuable. One is hesitant to contribute as one's technical knowledge is limited.

What have you learned so far?

LOT'S of agronomy. Weeds are a very difficult problem.

What do you think of the decision-making process of OurField? REMARKABLY effective and informative.

How easy was it to answer the question about whether we should add Nitrogen to the field?
IN 2 out of 3 decision making processes I changed my vote very late in the process on the basis of the on-line exchanges. Like almost every farming decision it was difficult.

Looking at comments from others as they voted, did you reconsider at any time? YES

What are the risks and benefits you considered?

THERE are too many to list.

Now that the decision has been made not to add Nitrogen, how do you feel? COMFORTABLE

How different was this vote to the previous vote on what crop to grow? IT was easier. There were many - but fewer - issues to consider than in the crop choice decision.

Any other general comments, suggestions, or feelings about the experience?

THE comments from John Cherry are very important indeed. At the same time his very reflexive responses make the process very constructive indeed. I'd like even more technical inputs from the agronomist and John. I'd also like very much to identify the key metrics, including accounting metrics, that we need to generate to ensure that the outcomes of the project have impact.

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Abi-Aspen Tue 27 Jun 2017 8:00AM

Hi all!

Just a reminder for the #Ourfield camping trip sign up here!:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ourfieldweston-summer-camping-trip-tickets-35331980906

22nd/23rd July and feel free to bring a friend!

Would be fab to know numbers, and an newsletter will be out next week!

Weston love

Abi Aspen

GH

Grahame Hunter Sun 2 Jul 2017 12:41PM

Tony Allen has written..

_Post Groundswell - Lannock Manor Farm - 29 June 2017
The No Till day on Thursday was much more than memorable. There was so many good presentations and panels and so many exceptional professionals to meet. There was no time even to grab a coffee. _

_ Amir Kassam's introductory presentation was inimitable in its scope and relevance. It was also very good to hear the very good event sponsor's introduction from Affinity (Anglian) Water. I am very sorry indeed that I missed Jacki Stroud's very important presentation on soil health and worms. Tony Reynolds lent his passion to the occasion. _


_ In a number of conversations we talked of the OurField Project. Two important ones were: _

_ Funding - OurField _
_ Many tasks have inevitably come to light as a consequence of the success of the second year of the OurField activity. I suggested that we could ask the OurField 'members' to consider donating a sum that would reduce the volunteer element of the inputs and cover some costs. Some 'members' will I am sure be able and willing. _

_ Tony Colman with more experience of entrepreneurship and fund raising suggested that we needed a business plan. _

_ Performance indicators and accounting
If we are to share the success and findings of the OurField project we need to identify the indicators and metrics that will be authoritative, significant and affordable. And have impact. It would be very good if we could give thought to this element of the Ourfield activity. _
_

GH

Grahame Hunter Sun 2 Jul 2017 12:59PM

Facilitator's comment on funding etc

_this specifically refers to Tony Allens comment above _

I do not believe that additional funding is required to pay for the inputs to be tracked - but I do think what is required is agreement by memers that a portion of the funds raised should be so allocated.
To provide an idea of amount, if I were doing this work (which I am not especially eager to), and there are many others who could jump in and do it - I would think it would be about £250 of my time to set up a monitoring system, and about £50 of time each month to run it.

In addition, if any future farmer were to be interested in adopting an "Our Field" there should be an attempt to track and remunerate his time ;- in my initial budget (on which your £200 contributions were assessed as viable) I anticipated a standing charge on the funds to be allocated to "farmers' time and overhead". This would contribute towards all sorts of invisible subsidies which OurField Wston is presently receiving - such as the agronomist looking at the crop, John and Richard discussing the crop and the outlook, determining reasonable options to how the crop is treated, and of course the farm general running costs which involves tax returns, running a payroll, making VAT returns etc.

Our Field members, in my opinion, should be contributing to these background costs, by deductions from the funds contributed. (There is plenty of fat in the funding to do this, as the direct input costs have been very low.)

Then there is a whole secondary series of metrics which could be considered - especially if the OurtField is just a once-off; such as tracking changes to the soil fertility and attempting to put a value on this: and the financial implications of a longer term strategy - for example if every third year the field is taken out of production or put to grazing, these have cost implications which might be positive or negative.

I do think the OurField community should be serious about these matters, otherwise it is just feel-good hobby farming..

Grahame

2 July 2017

GH

Grahame Hunter Sun 2 Jul 2017 1:13PM

Weston in the news, following Groundswell.
Times article

TA

Tony Allan Mon 3 Jul 2017 7:10AM

Dear Grahame

Very many thanks for your response and suggestions. I strongly approve of the idea that the administrative and accounting inputs should be covered by the resources already contributed. The metrics will be very valuable and just as important as the yield figures.
I'd also be happy if there were to be additional funds for advocacy and networking and a website.
I am very happy with the idea that you and the five coordinators make the decisions on what to spend. It would be helpful if there could be minutes of meetings and skype sessions when decisions will be made. There would be much useful advice available on the farm.
Thank you again for taking time to respond.

The piece in the Times was very good. Thanks for spotting it.
Tony Allan

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Abi-Aspen Thu 6 Jul 2017 8:08PM

Hi everyone!

Root camp are looking for a week volunteer/2 volunteers from 17th - 22nd July for an amazing all expenses paid week in the countryside!

http://rootcamp.co.uk/

If anyone knows anyone who would like to volunteer, please just drop me a line on [email protected]

thanks!

Abi Aspen

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Abi-Aspen Mon 17 Jul 2017 3:51AM

Hi team!

A reminder if anyone wants to sign up to the #Ourfield camping trip this coming weekend the Eventbrite signup is below!

We look forward to a spot of storytelling and weeding :)

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ourfieldweston-summer-camping-trip-tickets-35331980906