Loomio

Loomio seems to have problems adding up

RF Robert Frittmann Public Seen by 36

Can someone explain to me why, in the example below, the numbers don't add up? It shows that one person out of 533 has voted, but that vote was none of the 4 available options (Yes, No, Abstain, Block). What gives?

MW

Poll Created Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:30AM

Vote Closed Sun 3 Aug 2014 1:06AM

Outcome
by Marc Whinery Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:24AM

Loomio may be broken for large number of members, but for a group of 9, the numbers always added up.

Your vote doesn't matter. Please vote for the group with the lowest number.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 0.0% 0  
Abstain 66.7% 2 CD MW
Disagree 33.3% 1 DJ
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 12 CE JB DU KK FL RK DD RF DU DG TH JG

3 of 15 people have voted (20%)

CD

Colin Davies
Agree
Sat 2 Aug 2014 1:20AM

I voted

CD

Colin Davies
Abstain
Sat 2 Aug 2014 10:33AM

I voted

MW

Marc Whinery Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:39AM

My dummy proposal has all the numbers match up, but the number of people in the meta group is much smaller.

MW

Marc Whinery Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:41AM

It must be a bug. Perhaps a bug from the large number of users in the group.

MW

Marc Whinery Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:42AM

https://internet-party.loomio.org/d/U7qV4MXg/schools-need-to-focus-more-on-law-human-rights-money-management-politics

Looking at that one, it shows 1 stated vote (at this point in time) by the numbers under the graph, but no votes recorded in the proposal, or along the legend.

Loomio is bugged. Electronic voting is unreliable without a paper receipt or open voting and an interested electorate to catch such minor things

RF

Robert Frittmann Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:49AM

Thanks for testing that, @marcwhinery. I can only concur with you that Loomio is bugged. As mentioned elsewhere, this is only beta software at present.

BTW, the proposal you linked to is the same one I shared the screenshot of. Well spotted!

FL

Fred Look Thu 31 Jul 2014 2:18AM

its kims vote!

FL

Fred Look Thu 31 Jul 2014 2:26AM

maby "stated their position" means contributed to the discussion, the proposer has contributed to the discussion so thats one and is shown even tho noone has voted @marcwhinery as well as creating the discussion also voted in it so the numbers then add up

FL

Fred Look Thu 31 Jul 2014 2:28AM

nope its not that ...... ah but by proposing the decision you have interacted with it so you are counted . you needed someone who is not the proposer to test this. I have a proposal "local foods etc" in which I have not voted. I will wait and see what happens there. if this is correct the participaters should remain at voters+1 until I vote this is also the situation in "should loomio make all the decisions for us" (paraphrased!) where the proposer @reidalexanderwicks has not voted.

RF

Robert Frittmann Thu 31 Jul 2014 4:43AM

Yep, there it is again in your proposal, @fredlook. This time someone has voted. Only one vote but the "stated their position" lists 2 people have done so.

RF

Robert Frittmann Thu 31 Jul 2014 5:00AM

I've raise this issue as a bug on Loomio's GitHub page.

FL

Fred Look Thu 31 Jul 2014 8:24AM

@robertfrittmann Yes its still there and I have voted and its still +1 ? ?

MW

Marc Whinery Sat 2 Aug 2014 5:22AM

The numbers work out on our little trial here. So I presume the problem is a rounding issue with 500+ members. Loomio didn't expect to have such a large group in their beta period. It's not a big deal. It doesn't look like it affects the totals (1/500 is within the rounding error, and it only affects the percentage voted, not the proportional results).

RF

Robert Frittmann Sat 2 Aug 2014 6:47AM

@marcwhinery
The issue is not actually with the percentage or the rounding. As you say, the example here in the proposal in this discussion is working perfectly. The problem evident in the proposal in this discussion, however, is one of simple addition. It currently shows that a total of 8 members have voted. Of those 8 members, there are 2 who have voted Yes, 2 who have abstained, 3 who have voted No, and 0 who have blocked. When I went to school, 2+2+3+0=7 members, not 8 members. It might seem insignificant, but it is still wrong.

You're probably right about it being something to do with the scale, the magnitude of Internet Party members using Loomio. I don't know. I'm also a member of the Diaspora Community on Loomio, which currently has 285 members, and I haven't seen this problem there.

FL

Fred Look Tue 12 Aug 2014 2:46AM

@marcwhinery @robertfrittmann Loomio are broke?

FL

Fred Look Tue 12 Aug 2014 3:54AM

now its ok for a while there every time I typed "n" it took me out to notifications likewise "s" search etc , now I would like to know how to make this happen when I want to . (this happened from two different machines so not just me) ?? .

CD

Colin Davies Tue 12 Aug 2014 10:20PM

Isn't there a Math rule "Rule of Nines"?