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Relaunch diasporaproject.org as central starting point for the complete project and community overview

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groovehunter Mon 10 Sep 2012 1:40PM

I suggest a relaunch with a simple CMS at the main domain and the following features ie on subdomains.

people / community
I have always liked the member grid view on the site. Could we have a registration with approving by community team where all members can write about themselves some lines

blogs: Who want's can blog onsite. Probably should need approvement by some people.
"planet feature" all onsite blogs and chosen 3rd site blogs get aggregated in one blog, approved by doc team on
diasporaproject.org/blog

A good wiki on docs.diasporaproject.org , write access to self registered users.

lateron generated api docs on api.diasporaproject.org

use github api to gather update on issues readonly

(I could care for the hosting, administration;
Taking care of reliability of the servers and software on the subdomains a few people should double check.

Chat stays on freenode
Code on github , readwrite issue tracker

feed bots to spread all news: blog posts, issue updates, etc on diaspora, posting to 2-3 big pods and to all other where podmins enable that.

Has anybody had similar ideas yet?!

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Poll Created Mon 10 Sep 2012 10:20PM

Relaunch diasporaproject.org Closed Mon 17 Sep 2012 2:51PM

Relaunch diasporaproject.org as central starting point for the complete project and community overview.

Proposal by Groovehunter,

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 13 FS CB JH T JR F A M G G BB T SH
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 89 JL BK DS ST MS TS AA S HF BO DM GC JH EG AX PC PP LP DY DU

13 of 102 people have voted (12%)

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twain
Agree
Tue 11 Sep 2012 5:59PM

totaly agree

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Florian Staudacher
Agree
Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:26PM

I think this would be quite beneficial

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movilla
Agree
Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:49PM

The community needs this

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groovehunter
Agree
Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:51PM

The current community site on that well-known domain should be reanimated and become more than ever the entry point to the project and the community. There are some nice plans about features and content, so the powerful drupal CMS is a good choice.

JR

Jason Robinson
Agree
Wed 12 Sep 2012 6:44PM

Absolutely needs a relaunch. No idea about MediaWiki and Drupal is PHP? :P Dunno, anything easy to set up is great I guess, something some people will WANT to update so it shouldn't be a pain. And of course code should be hosted on GH.

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tortoise
Agree
Thu 13 Sep 2012 5:32AM

Yes, let's relaunch and see what happens. My position is clear: Audience is for all users, no matter the level, with long term goal for a very fluid user experience traveling from a pod stream to the CMS and back; Easy access and transparency please!

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goob
Agree
Thu 13 Sep 2012 7:24PM

diasporaproject.org (and/or diasporafoundation.org) should be updated and brought back to life. Quite a lot of work was done on this last year, but then Ilya died and everything stopped. I have some material still which we might be able to use.

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Sean Tilley Mon 10 Sep 2012 3:40PM

I've actually been thinking about this a lot. DiasporaProject.prg would be a prime place to centralize links and info. Things like a Planet, API reference, docs, etc.

Really, I have only two requests:

1.) Do it in Drupal. It's very flexible as a CMS, and it's one of those things that I don't mind investing extra effort in. We also need to think about docs.

2.) If we're going to do it, we need to do so quickly. I would like to assist in designing the layout and look.

Some good other FOSS sites that do this well are the Elementary Project, KDE, and Gnome sites.

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groovehunter Mon 10 Sep 2012 5:28PM

So you want the site at the root domain in drupal? Fine for me and I would work on it. Input for layout and design is welcome and needed. Yes

For all features I mentioned I welcome drupal, but I'd like to hear some other voices:
@ALL
What you all think if most people like better a wiki (mediawiki) to care for documentation??

So most people will be satisfied. - We could setup this proposal and spread the word quickly.

I checked the sites you mention and found kde prepares their docs offsite and post links to pdf files http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeadmin/ so this is different to us.
gnome uses for contributed docs also a wiki, I guess moinmoin https://live.gnome.org/
And elementary project does it in a "drupal book" style ie.
http://elementaryos.org/docs/user-guide/installation/getting-started

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groovehunter Mon 10 Sep 2012 6:04PM

We could start with drupal http://diaspora.openspirit.de/ - contact me here for admin password
If we like to leave it here, you could set the ANAME entry to my IP lateron.

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Florian Staudacher Mon 10 Sep 2012 6:05PM

I am pretty much open to everything you suggested. My preference for a wiki would be mediawiki, since I use it myself and I have some experience with it (it can also be set up to generate pdfs and it has a nice api).
To me, what is important would be a single-sign-on to whatever software we will end up using, possibly with my github credentials (oauth?)

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Jonne Haß Mon 10 Sep 2012 6:36PM

Or maybe we just quickly make Diaspora an OpenID provider, I bet there's a gem for that…

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groovehunter Mon 10 Sep 2012 6:59PM

Checking oauth for drupal...

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altruism Mon 10 Sep 2012 10:15PM

I vote Yes! I had similar ideas. Diaspora is not using the domain diasporaproject.org as they should (It is way to static and hardly ever updated). And it should be a link from joindiaspora.com to diasporaproject.org.

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tortoise Tue 11 Sep 2012 3:33AM

I am OK with doing a CMS offsite for documentation for now, but are we agreed with what documentation IS?

I am not OK with doing a CMS offsite in the long term, because it can't be closely coupled with the user experience on the stream.

If it can be (such as integrating the same login/auth), I'd like to know how that would work in the long term. I'd like more discussion on that.

How would such an interaction be fluid and NOT confusing to new users?

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groovehunter Tue 11 Sep 2012 10:01AM

Made this mediawiki for now http://diasporawiki.openspirit.de

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groovehunter Tue 11 Sep 2012 10:32AM

@Florian do you have idea what mediawiki extension is best for markdown syntax?
@all drupal oauth-connector , any experiences?
- will be back in 5h

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groovehunter Tue 11 Sep 2012 10:33AM

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twain Tue 11 Sep 2012 4:32PM

I totaly agree with this. Also I think drupal is a good choice. I've got some experience with it and could help.
A discussion about the documentation platform I already opened here:

http://loom.io/discussions/626

And I'm still in the opinion that mediawiki is a good choice!

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Florian Staudacher Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:31PM

@groovehunter I think we should just go with the mediawiki syntax, which is more powerful and wide-spread anyway.
It would also make sense to do an automated github-to-mediawiki conversion and then start working on improving the imported pages.

Same goes for the Drupal page; for now it's probably best to replicate what's already there and then start to work and improve upon that. (I really have no experience with Drupal, so I'm hoping you can import stuff there, too)

If there are no blockers until this proposal runs out, I'd also suggest you announce this on the mailing list(s), to let people know about the plans and get them involved, if they want to.

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tortoise Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:37PM

From my point of view we are just chasing tools, and not discussing why we need them. I don't see any improvement from before the community-driven mandate was made.

Seems more of the same. Sorry...

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groovehunter Tue 11 Sep 2012 7:45PM

@Florian I wanted markdown extension only for the beginning. So I enabled one markdown extension which works quite okay but unfotunately it switches everything, one cannot choose and start new pages in mediawiki syntax. So a markdown-mediawiki conversion is needed. The amount of pages is still possible to do it manually with 2-3 people.

@Jakob great you like to do some drupal.
Where do we go on with the plans? Is right on the site okay http://diaspora.openspirit.de/node/2

The former discussion you started had no posts for a week and can easily be subsumed in a new thread. At the moment I don't want to open, first do some conceptual work on the wiki structure.

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groovehunter Tue 11 Sep 2012 8:47PM

@Florian @all Could anyone post an abstract of this to the google group!?

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Flaburgan Wed 12 Sep 2012 9:52AM

I think that Diaspora Project should contain a page "How subscribe to Diaspora" explaining the difference between pods and how to choose one.

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Florian Staudacher Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:19AM

@groovehunter let's wait for the proposal to finish, but it's looking good right now ;)

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:22AM

39% have stated their position. I can close the proposal right now :)

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Flaburgan Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:23AM

Just an idea : we should ask to everybody on Diaspora if they can help us. There is a lot of web dev in. We have the list on the pad but we don't have an easy way to talk to them.

My idea : each time someone wants help to do something, he posts it on Diaspora with the hashtag #whatcanidofordiaspora or something like that.

We just have to spread the world with Diaspora HQ that people who wants to help have to search this hashtag :)

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Flaburgan Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:24AM

Altruism : 39% < 51% :p

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:27AM

39% < 100% if we want consensus :S

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:28AM

"we don't have an easy way to talk to them" we have e-mail addresses to almost all of them, just invite them here :)

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groovehunter Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:40AM

To invite all on the pad is a very good idea. Seems that not many are yet here. I created a column for "is on loom" on my sheet and will invite a few I know.

To ask too many new people at once I would abstain as too many new opinions with not knowing each other well brings confusion. To do some work there are quite enough people yet.

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:42AM

groovehunter, what is your opinion on the decision making process?

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:47AM

I have created a sub.group called diasporaproject.org Team. When we have a decision on this relaunch proposal we can invite them there? This also makes me think AGAIN about how we are going to manage priorities. That priority does this relaunch proposal have? Can we estimate this? What do you think? Maybe on a scale 1-4?

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:53AM

Priority: 4
Statement: It is natural to be as inclusive as we can and it is a proposal that the community can see being a direct result of Diaspora Inc giving the control to the community. As my amigo Movilla said "The community needs it" :)

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groovehunter Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:54AM

You mean regarding type of voting, majority or consensus? Here or in general?

If there is some participation, quite active and a dozen people vote (out of ~30) I guess that's fine.

We might start thread to ask the feelings about duration of proposals, or a guideline that in the beginning people agree on a simple majority 51% type of voting. Pity we have no profile pages where one can state: I can check only every 3 days or so.

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Flaburgan Wed 12 Sep 2012 11:56AM

@altruism : About order of development, priority is the more important point. Another point is who is available, and with what skills ? Resources are limited, we have to use it in the good way.

For example, for me, the most important work to do is to make a protocol which WORKS. But I'm not a network expert. So I can work on diasporaproject, even if it is not the thing with the highest priority

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 12:04PM

If we do not get more people involved in the Diaspora project who is going to design, code, document and test the protocol?

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 12:09PM

An intelligent economist (if there is such thing) would say: if you do not have enough cake... make a bigger cake! Do not fight about it the small one :)

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Flaburgan Wed 12 Sep 2012 12:31PM

I totally agree about it, i was not talking about that, but about skills of people involved. I'm sorry if my messages are not clear, I don't speak English very well...

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altruism Wed 12 Sep 2012 12:41PM

Skills you say? The same thing... make the cake bigger! :) Your English is good Flaburgan, much better than my french, I promise.

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groovehunter Wed 12 Sep 2012 8:18PM

guess I am going to bed... added some skills+interest as taxonomy, Wanted to create the awesome hierarchical select widget ... cu

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Sean Tilley Wed 12 Sep 2012 8:27PM

Just wanted to give an update. I'm doing a stripped-down prototype on my own server, because GrooveHunter's got like 350 modules, and I don't want to make more of a mess if he's putting something together.

So, after some hacking, I've managed to properly replicate Planet functionality using the Advanced Aggregator module, which makes Aggregator items fieldable. This means we can now have our much-sought-after Hackergotchis, like Planet Gnome and Planet KDE do, but with proper user integration. Using the References module, we can properly attribute a feed to a person. Using Views, we can render it all out as one nice stream of blog post snippets, which is perfect for what Planet does.

There's only one entry, imported from the Diaspora tag on my blog, but it works well so far. Take a gander: http://www.dproj.deadsuperhero.com/planet

(Also, please excuse the crap layout. I haven't yet gone ahead and added custom CSS to it yet. :P )

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tortoise Thu 13 Sep 2012 5:28AM

@Sean: Is Planet an aggregator?

@Dr. Groove: Thanks for all your work. I'm still a little ambivalent about deciding on a CMS without really being clear what the community IS. Once the thing is up, it would make it difficult and perhaps defeatist to the larger feeling if it ended up not coming together and gaining momentum. I know this sounds negative, but I really do not mean it to be negative.

I am fine with doing a CMS at diasporaproject.org if it can be made easy to navigate for any profile of user (of any expertise) and it is coupled closely to the stream experience (at least as much as possible and better than in the past). I'm not sure how that might be, but it should be simple to jump back and forth and not get lost in it.

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Sean Tilley Thu 13 Sep 2012 5:43AM

@MP: Yes, Planet is a type of aggregator specifically geared towards sharing blog entries from members around a specific community. My prototype works similarly to Planet Ubuntu (planet.ubuntu.com), Planet Gnome (planet.gnome.org) and Planet KDE (planetkde.org). It's useful because it allows familiar faces in the community to connect their blogs together.

I, for one, have always enjoyed reading and browsing the various Planets over the years, as it provides a lot of different community voices, and is great for keeping even a total newbie or non-techie updated as to what's going on.

The way it works is simple: users registered on our central site will be able to submit a feed from their blog to be added to the Planet. Specifically, the feed points only to Diaspora-related topics; their own personal blogs don't just have to be about Diaspora. We're only interested in aggregating relevant content to D*. :)

It might be one step in a larger solution to not just having communication purely being on the mailing lists and IRC, and at the very least, the outside world gets a better perspective of what's going on.

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tortoise Thu 13 Sep 2012 5:52AM

@Sean: Well... it sounds good. Let's see what happens. :)

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Flaburgan Thu 13 Sep 2012 7:54AM

I'm wondering how can we deal with languages. I often write about Diaspora on my blog, but it's in French. So, what do we do ? Don't display it on the planet ? Display it raw ? Display it after translation ? Make another planet specific for this language ? ...

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Jason Robinson Thu 13 Sep 2012 8:30AM

Flaburgan, personally I'd say just keep all languages in the same feed. It's not like there will be so much posts that people will feel spammed ;) Let's keep things simple.

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groovehunter Thu 13 Sep 2012 1:45PM

Content can be filtered by language, which is a basic attribute of a node when i18n is enabled.

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goob Mon 17 Sep 2012 10:56PM

Who has the keys to the diasporaproject.org and diasporafoundation.org sites? I.e. FTP access to the servers? I assume Dan and Max - Sean, can you get these off them so that we can start work on those sites? Perhaps the files could be put on Github somewhere, if they're not already there.

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Sean Tilley Mon 17 Sep 2012 11:57PM

Unfortunately, we don't own the diasporaproject.org domain. Someone else registered it and pointed it to our server. We own DiasporaFoundation.org, but I think that would be more applicable for a foundation site. I can try to talk to the domain owner, and worst case scenario, we can try to register diaspora-project.org.

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tortoise Tue 18 Sep 2012 3:51AM

what about diasporaproject.net?

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goob Tue 18 Sep 2012 12:34PM

Maybe we could come up with a new name. It would be unwise, I think, to use a domain name which isn't in the control of people within the Diaspora community, as it's possible the person who owns it might hold you to ransom in the future if it's an address which is used in D* marketing/outreach ('unless you give me lots of money this domain will be filled with porn' etc). Hopefully not, but it's a possibility. I just looked up the person who registered the domain and couldn't find them on Diaspora. Of course they could be there under a pseudonym and might be one of the core Diaspora community members, but it would certainly be worth finding out before going ahead.

I'd suggest coming up with a similar domain as the one which is advertised, one which D* core people have registered themselves. Perhaps diasporanetwork.com? Or perhaps the D* project is more than a network so that's not appropriate?

Madame Philo's suggestion of diasporaproject.net is a good one, although it runs into the problem that a lot of people will misremember it as diasporaproject.com and will therefore go to the non-D* site (if the domain owner stopped it forwarding to D*'s domain).

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goob Tue 18 Sep 2012 12:34PM

Sorry, the domain in question is of course diasporaproject.org, not .com.

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Jason Robinson Tue 18 Sep 2012 12:41PM

I like .org better than .net - and since gazillions of links already point to .org it would be good to ask first if the .org domain holder would give up the domain keys

Diasporafoundation.org is not really ok since there is no foundation and who knows if there will be :)

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goob Sat 20 Oct 2012 2:48PM

Sean, now you've set up diaspora-project.org (great work, by the way), it's probably a good idea to get diasporafoundation.org redirected to this domain rather than diasporaproject.org (which it currently points to), as this latter one is out of your control.

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Sean Tilley Sat 20 Oct 2012 5:06PM

I need to finish up a few things here and there on it. The basic functionality is all there, all that needs to be done:

  1. Some copyediting / page design. It'd be great to have some help coming up with ways to explain Diaspora and it's importance. Looking at elementary-os.org for inspiration.

  2. If possible, a new video. I think a good community-made video would be great on the front page, it just needs to be made responsive for different layouts.

  3. MediaWiki bridge needs setup (wiki's almost ready)

  4. Maybe a simple user dashboard to make it really easy to use for non-admins?

Oh also, the Planet needs blogs. I've messaged a few people already about blogging about what they're working on, if you'd like to be featured on the Planet doing this, by all means let me know.

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goob Sat 20 Oct 2012 6:17PM

I used to be a professional copy-writer/editor so will be happy to help with this. There's already a fair bit of material that I and others wrote last year for when the foundation site was set up, that never got ported on to it, and some of that may still be relevant. Drop me a line.

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Sean Tilley Sat 20 Oct 2012 7:02PM

Awesome, will do.

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goob Thu 15 Nov 2012 11:34AM

Hi Sean, looking again at diasporafoundation.org and diasporaproject.org, I notice that diasporafoundation.org redirects to diasporaproject.org and not the other way around, as was stated before. This suggests that, when this was done, diasporaproject.org was considered the main site, and also means that the files for that site must have been uploaded to that server. So the person who runs that site must have connections with the founders.

Would you mind asking Maxwell if he knows the details, and how you can contact this person (Whois gives it as Rene Kabis, although this might of course not be the person who actually runs the site)? They must have had contact with this person when deciding to redirect diasporafoundation.org to this site, and must have passed the files to them.

If we can get them to redirect to diaspora-foundation.org when it is launched, that would be much better - I think it's likely that people looking for the site would often miss out the hyphen, and end up at an old/dead site. If it, and diasporafoundation.org, point to the new site, it'll be much better.

Hopefully Maxwell or Dan will have some answers.

Thanks in advance.

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Florian Staudacher Thu 15 Nov 2012 11:55AM

I'm confident that Sean (and all the other people involved) will establish the redirects correctly, once the site is done
;)

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goob Thu 15 Nov 2012 1:23PM

Sean said (see below) that he didn't have contact with the owner of diasporaproject.org. I think it would be worth trying to establish contact to get this sorted out before launching diaspora-project.org. Ideally we'd get ownership of the domain transferred to an active community member, but getting it redirected to diaspora-project.org would be better than the situation at the moment - the site being hosted by someone who doesn't seem to be active.

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Sean Tilley Thu 15 Nov 2012 6:58PM

Well, the domain expires in February. We can easily set the old Diaspora Project site to redirect to the new one by using a redirect_to function on the index page. At the very least, that would push people to the new site regardless of what its domain was, if only for the interim.

I can try and backorder the diasporaproject.org domain to future-proof the situation, but for now this seems like a good temporary fix.

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goob Thu 15 Nov 2012 7:27PM

Thanks for your reply, Sean. It sounds like you've got things well under control. Are you getting funds to pay for these domains from D* donations, or do you need some contributions?

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Flaburgan Fri 16 Nov 2012 8:58AM

Btw, and htaccess redirection to indicate to robot that the site has definitely moved is a better way to do it than a redirect function.

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Sean Tilley Mon 19 Nov 2012 4:22AM

@Goob: Currently, I'm paying out of my own pocket. While donations would be nice, the domain stuff really doesn't cost all that much.

@Fla: Unfortunately, the old Diaspora Project site is a Rails app running on Heroku. I dunno if it even makes use of a .htaccess file, as Apache doesn't seem to be part of the Heroku stack.

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Florian Staudacher Mon 19 Nov 2012 8:30AM

I think the equivalent of a .htaccess on the Heroku stack would be a simple Rack app, that serves a "Location: " redirect header on every request.

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Jason Robinson Fri 23 Nov 2012 8:32AM

Sean, can we have the redirect from diasporaproject.org to diaspora-project.org ASAP? People are referring to the old site and it gives false info on the project.

I'm also asking this because our company is possibly interested in promoting Diaspora* - I will give more information about that a little later when I can :) At the moment I can say we have an internal pod and our management is very excited about the whole thing.

The problem we have with the situation at the moment is that it is impossible to promote Diaspora* at the moment as there is no official project site - Google for "Diaspora project" and you will get the wrong URL. So until that redirect is in place promotion is difficult.

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[deactivated account] Sat 5 Jan 2013 1:18PM

Any news on the redirect? If the site owner does not respond, it might be a good idea to shut down the old page entirely, no? Having two pages is confusing and it's not like there are too few entry points and platforms for diaspora already.

JR

Jason Robinson Sat 5 Jan 2013 1:27PM

+1 - it would be nice to have a definite decision on this.

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Sean Tilley Sun 6 Jan 2013 6:40PM

@jasonrobinson I'll try and make it work this week. I've gotta finish copy-editing on the new site, and then introduce the redirect in the old site's app. If anyone has any suggestions of what kind of things the new site ought to say, let me know!

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Jason Robinson Sun 6 Jan 2013 7:46PM

What about the domain? Are we stuck with diaspora-project.org or is there any chance of getting the old one any time soon? Any info on that?

I say if no chance to get the old one soon we should just start using diaspora-project.org as the official name.

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 6 Jan 2013 8:20PM

If we're going to rename the domain I'd prefer something more distinct, diasporasn for example is free everywhere.

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Sean Tilley Sun 6 Jan 2013 8:33PM

The domain expires in February. I can pay for the ackorder, which will grab diasporaproject.org, just keep in mind that it's 50 USD that I'll have to spend for it. I will pay for it as soon as I am able.

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Jason Robinson Sun 6 Jan 2013 8:54PM

diaspora.xxx is free haha.

More seriously, projectdiaspora.net is free :P Not bad?

@seantilleycommunitymanager - if we want the diasporaproject.org site - which I think we do, don't worry about the price. Create a paypal or something account and we can get you the money. I'll pledge 10 USD at least.

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Flaburgan Sun 6 Jan 2013 11:11PM

@seantilleycommunitymanager if it is about money, I can pay for it. It is 50USD for how long ? One year ? Everytime ?

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goob Mon 7 Jan 2013 6:45AM

I'll chip in ten bucks no problem.

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Florian Staudacher Tue 8 Jan 2013 8:30AM

yeah, I don't think the money will be a problem, it's the domain of an internet-based project ... if that's not a key asset, what is ;)

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Jonne Haß Wed 6 Feb 2013 12:31AM

@seantilleycommunitymanager just a week to go, do you still need any money or something? :)

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Sean Tilley Wed 6 Feb 2013 3:24AM

Nah, I managed to pay for it just fine. :) No worries, if all goes according to plan, we should be getting the domain soon!

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goob Wed 6 Feb 2013 6:25PM

Great work, Sean. We will have to elevate you to the level of demigod for your efforts.

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Sean Tilley Wed 6 Feb 2013 10:39PM

lol, no thanks. :P

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Flaburgan Sat 9 Feb 2013 11:03PM

Sean, I love the home page with the screen shot, this is great ! I'll try to help you with the site next week

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 17 Feb 2013 11:55AM

Derp, so the domain got autorenewed in the last couple of hours?

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Sean Tilley Sun 17 Feb 2013 8:27PM

I got in contact with Name.com, which I paid to use their Domain Nabber service. It's possible that Rene Kabis, the owner of the domain, set it to autorenew. Even if the Domain Nabber would have worked, we would've had to wait 77 days to have the domain transferred over.

I've yet to successfully get a hold of the domain's owner. This is very frustrating.

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:14PM

Yeah, lets spam him. Everybody, go.

Meanwhile can you get a hold of Maxwell and let him do a temporary redirect to the new page? Or even better just a simple frame redirection so that the domain stays the same?

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Sean Tilley Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:38PM

Sure thing, I can ask Maxwell about it.

I need to make a few cosmetic changes, I'm still not totally satisfied with the way Drupal's grid plugin handles our community people page, so I may consider some other Views plugin and styling to make up for its shortcomings. I also have some layout improvements to certain pages that I need to make official, and a solution for a proper donation module needs to be found for displaying both Stripe and PayPal donation forms. Some cross-browser styling corrections also need to be made.

Good plugins for Drupal 7 that display both donation forms efficiently are few and far between. There are a few donation frameworks in development, and we can use a jQuery tab plugin to display multiple forms, but it won't be as simple and clean of a solution that I would like.

Other than that, we've got a good content system put together, and I would be more than happy to assign writer priviliges to those that would like help to publish the project blog officially. We can also add developer blogs to the Planet, for those working on newer and bigger features that want to showcase their work. It's integrated quite well with our wiki, which in itself is a big improvement over our GitHub wiki.

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:41PM

I wonder where the donations would go to, since we have no foundation yet?

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Sean Tilley Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:50PM

Currently, it would go to the Paypal and Stripe accounts associated for Diaspora, however, Maxwell and I are looking into options regarding a foundation for Diaspora, and I'm always open to suggestions to consider.

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Sean Tilley Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:51PM

Additionally, I also think once we have a NonProfit set up, and brand assets moved over, I think it would be nice to perhaps make use of a web store to sell t-shirts that supporters could buy to support the foundation. We can cross that bridge when we come to it, though.

JH

Jonne Haß Mon 18 Feb 2013 12:18AM

Lets spell it out: Donations to Diaspora Inc are donations to joindiaspora.com, not to Diaspora. I don't feel comfortable with lying about that, let them create their own donations site like every other pod does. It has nothing to do on our project site.

JR

Jason Robinson Tue 19 Feb 2013 7:52AM

I do tend to agree with Jonne here very strongly. There should be no donations on the project site until the funds can be used for the project.

Sean, Maxwell - you're great guys and have done a terrific contribution but having a donations site on the project site that points to accounts owned by Diaspora Inc is just lying to the people donating.

We can have a donations site but it must CLEARLY say that there is no way to donate for Diaspora development at the moment and instead it could link to donations sites of various pods and Diaspora Inc.

G

goob Tue 19 Feb 2013 4:10PM

I agree completely, and have also been saying for some months that the donations link on joindiaspora.com should no longer say 'Keep Diaspora development fast with a monthly donation!' as it doesn't go to development at all, merely to hosting as far as I can tell (and possibly development of Makrio and other projects that Maxwell and Dan are working on).

There are users out there who still believe their donations are help development of Diaspora, and the longer this misinformation continues the more bad feeling will be engendered in the long run.

Please change the wording to something like 'Help us keep this pod running and expanding with a monthly donation!' I might even start up my monthly donation again if the wording were changed.

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 17 Mar 2013 2:44PM

The lack of progress here is really frustrating.

So since the iFrame redirection didn't happen yet and diasporafoundation.org is too under control of Diaspora Inc. I'm now not expecting any further assistance from that direction.

Lets find a completely new, distinct domain name. diasporasn.org would be free. Other suggestions?

G

goob Sun 17 Mar 2013 4:03PM

diasporanetwork.org? or thediasporanetwork.org?

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 17 Mar 2013 7:23PM

Diaspora.org is for sale for $65,000 .. anyone? :D

I like diaspora-project.org and at some point we could hopefully transfer to diasporaproject.org when that clears. Don't really see why we should start taking a whole new name at this point as this has already been around and used.

I just wish we would officially release the site.. Sean, please? I really think it's a bad idea to delay and an even worse idea if the delay is because of some issues with missing donations that we simply cannot have until there is a foundation.

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 17 Mar 2013 8:18PM

I do think that the domain is too subtly different to use (and looks silly, but the other point is more important :P). I don't think users and media would pick that up, I mean there's media still linking to joindiaspora.com, it's hard enough to communicate a new domain name, but one that's so subtle different?

ST

Sean Tilley Sun 17 Mar 2013 11:36PM

I asked about diaspora.org the other day and the offer was around $50,000 when I asked about it. Granted, having Diaspora.org would be amazing, but I don't think any of us has that kind of money at the moment. One possibly reasonable alternative may be to use something like diaspora.io, which is probably relatively cheap enough, and different enough from the hyphenated and unhyphenated domains.

The diaspora-project site is almost finished, really what's left to be done is some cosmetic fixes and a bit of copy-editing. There will be no donation system on the project site, at least until a non-profit solution comes along that isn't controlled by Diaspora Inc. If I work on the project site all of this coming week, it should be good for a proper launch by next week.

There hasn't been any luck in reaching the domain owner of diasporaproject.org. At the very least, modifying the old Diaspora Project site to redirect to the new one is trivial.

JR

Poll Created Mon 18 Mar 2013 8:21PM

Launch on diaspora-project.org domain Closed Wed 20 Mar 2013 8:33AM

Outcome
by Jason Robinson Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:14AM

Discussion needs to continue

As soon as we (=Sean :)) are ready with site content;

  • Launch project site on diaspora-project.org domain
  • Forward traffic from diasporaproject.org and diasporafoundation.org there

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 4 ST JR G RF
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 96 JL BK DS FS MS TS AA S CB HF BO JH DM GC JH F M EG G AX

4 of 100 people have voted (4%)

ST

Sean Tilley
Agree
Mon 18 Mar 2013 8:23PM

I have no problem launching with the domain we already have. I just want to ensure that the site is as high-quality and useful as possible before the launch.

G

goob
Agree
Tue 19 Mar 2013 3:48PM

Sounds fine to me.

JR

Jason Robinson Mon 18 Mar 2013 8:22PM

Made a proposal to decide on the domain name issue :)

F

Flaburgan Tue 19 Mar 2013 3:41PM

I do not understand what is happening here.

Who currently owns diasporaproject.org and diasporafoundation.org ? Did we try to contact him ?

Who currently owns the server hosting the website accessible at these urls ?

G

goob Tue 19 Mar 2013 3:49PM

I'm not sure how we'd get traffic redirected from diasporaproject.org, as we've been unable to establish contact with the domain owner, but other than that, seems fine to proceed.

G

goob Tue 19 Mar 2013 3:55PM

I'm not sure who owns diasporaproject.org, @flaburgan (I mean, I don't recognise his name) but it must be someone known to the founders, because the website hosted on that domain is one which was designed by the founders about 18 months ago, and originally hosted on their own site. I'm not sure why it has been impossible to establish contact with the domain owner through Maxwell or Dan, as they must have known him (or someone else in the core team at the end of 2011 must have known him). But so far, it has proved impossible to establish contact.

ST

Sean Tilley Tue 19 Mar 2013 5:27PM

I don't think the founders knew Rene Kabis at all. Core team owns diasporafoundation.org; diasporaprojrct.org is just a URL mirror the guy set up.

ST

Sean Tilley Tue 19 Mar 2013 5:30PM

@flaburgan The server is just a Heroku instance. Also, we own diasporafoundation.org and diaspora-project.org.

@goob We can make a redirect happen from the old diaspora project app. It's just a simple Rails app skinned with Bootstrap.

G

goob Tue 19 Mar 2013 6:11PM

OK, I don't understand how that works at all, but if it works, that's fine. As far as I can tell, diasporafoundation.org (owned by the founders) redirects to diasporaproject.org (owned by R. Kabis), which is where the site is currently hosted. If that is not the case, it makes it much easier. Ignore me if I'm talking rubbish.

F

Flaburgan Tue 19 Mar 2013 7:23PM

okay if we own diasporafoundation i think we should use this one and make a redirect from diaporaproject to it. Hopefully this man will not change the DNS.

JR

Jason Robinson Wed 20 Mar 2013 6:32AM

@flaburgan we don't have a foundation so it would be odd to me to have the domain called diasporafoundation :)

F

Flaburgan Wed 20 Mar 2013 8:23AM

@jasonrobinson the first step for all the project is to have a foundation. Having no legal structure is really a big problem. We can't have donation, we can't have interneship, we have no voice to represent ourselves...

We should not say "let's use diaspora-project because we are not a foundation", we should say "let's use diasporafoundation because we have to become one very soon"

Seriously, I do not understand why this is not solved yet, I don't know which kind of non-profit structures exist in the USA, but in France create what we call an "Association" take only an afternoon. 3 persons are needed, they have to fill some paper, and it's done. Come on guys, if we are even not able to do that, we can really say that this project is dead. No legal structure == no existence, that's all.

JR

Jason Robinson Wed 20 Mar 2013 8:32AM

Fair point. There is just the problem of who are the people who will create the foundation. It would preferably have to be 3 distinct people who have no direct relationship with each other.

Also the rules of the foundation would need to be set if we go legal - there can be no foundation without a set of rules how it operates. As such, no, it cannot be done in an afternoon.

Also, where would the foundation be? I prefer Europe obviously, having distrust for institutions in the US.

All these would need to be solved. We can't have just anyone go and set up a foundation, it has to be agreed by a strong majority on where and who.

I'll reword the proposal..

JR

Poll Created Wed 20 Mar 2013 8:37AM

How should we launch Diaspora project site? [selection] Closed Wed 27 Mar 2013 9:44PM

Outcome
by Jason Robinson Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:14AM

A majority of 6 against 2 decided for diasporafoundation.org

Select the one you prefer;

YES - launch as diaspora-project.org
NO - launch as diasporafoundation.org (even though we have no foundation, yet)
BLOCK - launch as some other domain than these two
ABSTAIN - happy with whatever is agreed

This proposal will be extended if a high majority doesn't agree, say 2/3 - or if discussions brings some other turns of events.

The only thing we strongly agree on is that we need a new project site soon :)

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 18.2% 2 BO PC
Abstain 27.3% 3 ST TS DU
Disagree 54.5% 6 FS JH JR F G MS
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 90 JL BK DS MS AA S CB HF DM GC JH M EG G AX PP BB LP T DY

11 of 101 people have voted (10%)

F

Flaburgan
Disagree
Wed 20 Mar 2013 9:01AM

I'm in favor of diasporafoundation because this domain is already known, I think it can be confusing to have another one.

DU

[deactivated account]
Agree
Wed 20 Mar 2013 10:59AM

Let's have this decided and improve the page as we go along. Having a single entry point for the user is important.

BO

Billy O'Connor
Agree
Wed 20 Mar 2013 2:15PM

The project domain sound more descriptive to me, "Foundation" seems like a vague term.

G

goob
Disagree
Wed 20 Mar 2013 6:18PM

I would say go with diasporafoundation.org, as it has been known and promoted for a long time - also there's not confusion with the domain not controlled by Diaspora. Point other domains to diasporfoundation.org.

ST

Sean Tilley
Abstain
Thu 21 Mar 2013 6:26AM

If we can't get diasporaproject.org, and we want to avoid confusion, diasporafoundation.org is acceptable. In the future, we can revisit this situation, especially if whoever owns diaspora.org is feeling particularly generous. ;)

DU

[deactivated account]
Abstain
Fri 22 Mar 2013 9:20AM

Let's have this decided and improve the page as we go along. Having a single entry point for the user is important. And the current situation is confusing to say the least.

DU

[deactivated account]
Abstain
Fri 22 Mar 2013 9:21AM

Let's have this decided and improve the page as we go along. Having a single entry point for the user is important. And the current situation is confusing to say the least. Both options are fine I think.

TS

Tom Scott
Abstain
Mon 25 Mar 2013 3:51PM

I really don't care where it's hosted, as long as we get this moving. Do we have an app written for this site or will it all have to be built from scratch?

PC

Pawel Chojnacki
Agree
Tue 26 Mar 2013 9:09PM

As far as I know, there's no Diaspora Foundation. Let's keep things straight: gather people for the project, then relaunch a Foundation.

JR

Jason Robinson
Disagree
Wed 27 Mar 2013 4:03PM

I guess I will support diasporafoundation.org since 1) seems more popular, 2) hopefully there will be a foundation one day and 3) let's get this over with

MS

Mikhail Shirkov Sun 24 Mar 2013 4:02PM

It'll be cool to join Diaspora Foundation someday!

JR

Jason Robinson Mon 25 Mar 2013 4:29PM

@tomscott the proposal is about the name of the domain, not where to host it. The new site looks something like this at the moment: http://diaspora-project.org

TS

Tom Scott Mon 25 Mar 2013 5:03PM

@jasonrobinson by "where it's hosted" i meant the domain, not the actual host..

ST

Sean Tilley Thu 28 Mar 2013 1:45AM

Okay, looks like we're going with Diaspora Foundation. I'll talk to Maxwell about the DiasporaFoundation domain, finish up some cosmetic fixes, and we should be good to launch soon! :)

ST

Sean Tilley Thu 28 Mar 2013 1:46AM

Besides which, it's not like we can't try to take on Diaspora.org or something like that in the future. :)

JR

Jason Robinson Thu 28 Mar 2013 8:03AM

Great!

G

goob Thu 28 Mar 2013 4:36PM

Ooh, I just found $50,000 down the back of the sofa!

Good work, everyone.

JR

Jason Robinson Wed 15 May 2013 10:27AM

@seantilleycommunit any updates on this? :)

ST

Sean Tilley Wed 15 May 2013 4:17PM

Yep! Things are in motion, most of the project site is done. We have a hosted blogging system for project contributors to blog on, similar to Planet KDE. There are some minor things to be done, such as redirect links for old article paths cited by other sites. Some copy-editing still needs tweaking to fully explain decentralized social.

G

goob Wed 15 May 2013 5:33PM

@seantilleycommunit Could you provide a link to where that copy-editing is needed? I'll try to take a look at it over the weekend.

ST

Sean Tilley Thu 16 May 2013 2:29AM

Primarily, what I want to add more to would be here, which I think can be fleshed out into something much better. I really want to be able to visually explain what Diaspora is and why the underlying concepts are important.

JR

Jason Robinson Thu 16 May 2013 4:02AM

IMHO just release as is and tweak later :)

F

Flaburgan Thu 16 May 2013 1:10PM

And about the domain name? Which one do we own?

JR

Jason Robinson Thu 16 May 2013 3:06PM

@flaburgan diasporafoundation.org

Well, by "we own", I think it's Maxwell? But I assume he will transfer it over once we have somewhere to transfer it? :P Sean?

ST

Sean Tilley Thu 16 May 2013 5:32PM

Yes, Maxwell and I will transfer the domain of diasporafoundation.org over to the new site when I feel that it's finished enough. Shouldn't be long now. ;)

JR

Jason Robinson Sun 23 Feb 2014 7:31PM

Fok it, https://diasporaproject.org/ has started to give out an invalid SSL cert. Got peeps saying "your project site SSL site has expired", sigh...

Someone find the person hogging the domain and give a good slapping? :P

G

goob Sun 23 Feb 2014 9:26PM

Give it a go - http://www.websitelooker.net/www/diasporaproject.org for contact details - I know Sean tried a lot a while ago.

FS

Florian Staudacher Mon 24 Feb 2014 4:36PM

@dennisschubert ping

DS

Dennis Schubert Mon 24 Feb 2014 6:44PM

Nonononooooooo. That's not my issue. I'm only responsible for diasporafoundation.org, which expires on 2014-07-13. I don't even have access to that heroku account.

@maxwellsalzberg ping!

F

Flaburgan Mon 24 Feb 2014 9:18PM

Not related to the certificate problem, I would love to see a new feature on the diasporafoundation website: a improved mix of podutime and the hub of Jason. This would be an official list of the diaspora* pods, tutorials / help could link there instead of poduptime.

ST

Sean Tilley Tue 25 Feb 2014 6:39PM

@flaburgan I completely agree, I think it'd be great to make that feature official to our main site. :)

JR

Jason Robinson Mon 2 Mar 2015 5:12PM

Btw, diasporaproject.org no longer seems to be redirecting - just loads forever.

Whoever Rene Kabis or something owns it just renewed it for another year.

JH

Jonne Haß Mon 2 Mar 2015 6:59PM

Yeah, it seems to be on autorenew and he doesn't respond to anything at all. Well, actually maybe someone should try the phone number in the whois data :P