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Sense checks for Mastodon 4.4 update

Dan PhifferDan Phiffer Tue 22 Jul 2025 5:58PMPublicSeen by 271

Mastodon 4.4 introduces a couple new features that we should consider as a cooperative. I'm posting on behalf of Tech Working Group to get a sense check on a couple topics.

Matt Noyes

Matt Noyes
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

Thanks for doing the work and for using this poll to raise awareness. When we drafted our code of conduct, we drew on several examples. Maybe it would be good to start collecting model TOS statements?

Ammar

Ammar
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

I wasn't for enabling referrer headers but after reading other opinions I'm convinced that it should be okay

Rhys

Rhys
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

I agree we should have a ToS; I don't agree with referrer headers. We should aim for maximise privacy for members.

This poll should be split into two, IMHO.

Majd al-Shihabi

Majd al-ShihabiFri 25 Jul 2025 12:52PM

@Rhys +1 on splitting the vote into two, one for ToS, other for headers.

Brian Vaughan

Brian Vaughan
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

I don't see a problem with putting existing rules in another format.

I am not in favor of producing more hidden tracking information. Even if the intended use is innocuous, I think at this point we should consider it an elementary safety principle not to share tracking information unnecessarily.

Andrew Escobar (Andres) · social.coop Finance Working Group

I am concerned with adding ref. headers on a relatively small instance but it is a general concern that can be addressed across the web with a privacy-focused browser, browser extension (Safari: StopTheHeaders), or Mastodon client.

mike_hales

mike_hales
Abstain
Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

I don't mind. But if it's 'yes' I favour what @Danny Garside highlighted: Mastodon not social.coop.

Matt Lorentz

Matt Lorentz
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

I support the referral headers, it seems like there is little downside. I care less about the ToS but it’s probably good to have one for legal reasons.

wouter@freeknowledge.eu

wouter@freeknowledge.eu
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

Sending referral headers for Mastodon/social.coop so both initiatives are counted and made more visible. Thanks for keeping personally identifiable info hidden.

Dave V. ND9JR

Dave V. ND9JR
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Tue 22 Jul 2025 6:01PM

As with others who are concerned: I'm fine with adding a ToS, but object in principal to adding referral headers. There's way too much tracking of people on the Internet, and our adding referral headers is a tacit approval of that, even if the intention is good. I do what I can to defeat that tracking for myself but I don't think we should be participating in it as a group.

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