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Mon 11 May 2020 5:38PM

AUDIT QUESTIONAIRE and process

RC Ryan Carrier Public Seen by 26

This thread is designed to delineate the audit questions without opinion or judgment. What do we require answers about? What information do we need to make informed decisions? Many votes will happen here. You are voting for "Is this a piece of information we require for analysis"

AM

Aaron Maxwell
Disagree
Thu 7 May 2020 8:26PM

Anything that can be used as a passport for participation in society is where I draw the line. How would you prove that you were participating? Giving access to the phone? Querying the server? This would cause too many unnecessary risks to participation at best. At worst, it penalizes those members of society who do not have an up-to-date smart phone.

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RC

Poll Created Thu 7 May 2020 8:05PM

Is your contact tracing program Opt-in? Closed Fri 15 May 2020 8:02PM

Outcome
by Ryan Carrier Sun 17 May 2020 8:57PM

Opt-In is a crucial element of trust and is recognized as the highest level of choice for the contact traced individual. It will be identified as optimal for Best Practices.

This level of privacy-support is the highest level of choice for participants, where there are little to no restrictions placed on the person's opt-out choice. Singapore is here now on 5/7, but may not remain in this place as they only have 23% participation rate. Remember, you are voting that this is a binary yes/no question that should be asked of the contact tracing program.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 3 SB AM PS
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 4 RC DH MV SB

3 of 7 people have participated (42%)

AM

Aaron Maxwell
Agree
Thu 7 May 2020 9:20PM

Anything that can be used as a passport for participation in society is where I draw the line. How would you prove that you were participating? Giving access to the phone? Querying the server? This would cause too many unnecessary risks to participation at best. At worst, it penalizes those members of society who do not have an up-to-date smart phone.

AM

Aaron Maxwell
Agree
Thu 7 May 2020 8:23PM

I am definitely in favour of this being transparent, and not buried in some OS update.

RC

Poll Created Thu 7 May 2020 7:54PM

Is the contact tracing program mandated? Closed Fri 15 May 2020 7:03PM

Outcome
by Ryan Carrier Mon 18 May 2020 2:59PM

This is a crucial question to ask. It is clearly not "best practices" from a privacy perspective, although authoritarian regimes, like China, might argue that it is "best practices" from a health perspective. And they would have a case, as we have seen opt-in with such a low uptake as to be ineffective as a tool of public health. This will likely become an audit question, to create the transparency, but not a recommended practice.

Mandated means that the authority or even technology provider leaves no choice to the user (Remember you are not opining whether you agree with this approach, but rather that this is a piece of information that must be uncovered and transparent about the process - we know that most of you will "oppose" the idea, but we want this to be a binary rule which is answered yes/no by the contact tracing program)

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 3 SB AM PS
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 4 RC DH MV SB

3 of 7 people have participated (42%)

SB

Shea Brown
Agree
Fri 8 May 2020 11:20PM

Agreed that this should be disclosed whether digital contact tracing is mandated.

SB

Shea Brown
Agree
Fri 8 May 2020 11:23PM

I'm voting under the assumption that, as the mandate question, this is simply something that must be disclosed (i.e., I'm not voting for contact tracing to be used as a barrier to participation in general).

RC

Poll Created Thu 7 May 2020 8:02PM

Is the contact tracing program required for participation? Closed Fri 15 May 2020 7:03PM

Outcome
by Ryan Carrier Mon 18 May 2020 3:30PM

It is clear that using contact tracing as a passport for access is anathema to many, however, we use vaccines as a passport into our schools. So the passport concept exists in many societies. Employers are considering contact tracing for their employees, even if it is Opt-in, will employees feel that they can freely opt-out without stigma, without repercussions. Opt-In is clearly the gold standard, but I believe we will need very nuanced and targetted laws and protections to avoid backdoor mandatory programs. In Australia, they passed a $63,000 fine and banned coercive use of COVIDSafe, so that is a good precedent

This is a practical application, like vaccines at schools. If you want to attend school, you must be vaccinated. If you want to work at this job, you must participate in a contact tracing program (similar to the approach the United Federation of Teachers in NYC have taken). Here the standard is that If you want to participate you must do X and the belief is that you can choose not X because you can go elsewhere? We believe this is where many western cultures may land on this matter, something not as privacy-supportive, as "Opt-in"

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 50.0% 2 SB AM
Disagree 50.0% 2 PS DB
Undecided 0% 4 RC DH MV SB

4 of 8 people have participated (50%)

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