New Website

Were both only trying to help.

Enquiry to Fred. I'm confused about membership numbers.

Are you able to dislose the peak membership at the height of our fame?

And how about the total number of votes we received at the last general election?

This might be confidential or market sensitive, but I wonder how votes we actually got for the for the amount of money spent and the blaze of publicity?

History is often the best educator, and to ignore it or fudge it damn stupid.

Up to you Fred . . .

@rossburrows "Were both only trying to help." Did I have my pre coffee voice on? :) If so then sorry. Should we move this to the new site though?

Trying to reassure you that your caring and enthusiasm is to be valued, and my responses are not meant to be taken personally.

Should we hop over to the new website Fred?

Freds sort of supposed to be on holiday, so how about we gather in the Lounge Chat Room about 8:00pm tonight and start coming up with a plan?

from email

on behalf of Fred, and yeah he's on holiday for a week, and on
behalf of the exec, I ask all to jump on over to the new site. it is
working, but how well can only be determined by you...so if for no
other reason, it does need a decent hammering so we can measure its
value

thanks

GrantK

hi maelwryth,

Love your images ideas.

Constructively. why don't you have a bigger internet.org.nz font that goes right across the page to emphasise the web address better?

regards,

R

Hi Guys,

I am an Uber driver and Fri, Sat, nights are the busiest of the week.

You therefore won't see me in the lounge on Sunday night.

Looking fwd to another sesh soon. Loved the first one.

R

Meant Sat. or Sun. monday maybe.

I will pass on the apologies.

@rossburrows Oh, and the reason I don't use a bigger font is that the internet.org.nz part is on every image it is the banner that changes.

O.K. Thanks.

How about redo the primary image with a bigger font for more impact?

just a thought . . . (;-)

What I would really like to do is to have a place where we can upload all this stuff so people can play with it and then the exec can choose what works best for them.

So, in that spirit, here are the original images I used. Ip background will be IP copyright, party was a use and modify google image search and the flag you can pick up of the website and will be IP copyright again I take it.

Cool, thanks . ..

You guys know you can run your own instance of Loomio as part of your own site, right? That would be one way to provide the functionality you get here, within your own full control, with your own page layouts etc. The support subgroup for that is here:
https://www.loomio.org/g/C7I2YAPN/loomio-community-installing-loomio

Yeah, there were privacy and moderation concerns - and the guy dealing with Loomio got voted off the island. Plus licensing costs.

There are no licensing costs if you run your own Loomio instance @jobooth , that's part of the beauty of free code/ open source software.

Hi all, Just to let you know that i have just paid the hosting fee for the website and mail server for July $244.47 nz to Amazon. Please Please head on over to
https://forum.internet.org.nz/?page_id=187
and make a donation so the IP can pay me back!

The new website shows up as 'Untrusted' by Firefox.
(Despite it being https:// )

yes i get that on my tablet too, trying to figure out why, no problem at all on firefox or chrome on my laptop, r u on some android device?............. anyway it is trustworthy trust me ! :0

from email

yeah its an odd issue, at best I can pinpoint it to the cert
distributor not having all browser compatibility.

simply click allow, then always allow and the cert will be saved

once saved there is no issue thereafter

GrantK

This is on Firefox running on Windows10

internet.org.nz uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.
The server might not be sending the appropriate intermediate certificates.
An additional root certificate may need to be imported.

(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)

Nice to see the donation portal set up guys, I'll be papping my gap in there.

Ok, so I've just registered for the new site, and made a post in the forum. What software is the website running on, and where can we see the source code?

The graphic design is really snappy. Good job on that. The interface is minimal and uncluttered, which is good.

I did get some weird navigation issues. For example, it is a little bit disorientating when the page style changes radically when I go from the front page to the forum page (and some others pages). I would prefer a consistent design, across all pages, esp. the menu bar (same items, linking to the same places).

When I clicked 'Forum' it took me to what appears to be a blog. The forum is instead called the 'Lounge'. That's going to confuse people. Calling the forum 'Lounge' is ok, but it would be better if the 'Forum' link said 'Blog' or 'News' or something.

Also, a lot of the top bar links on the front page scroll down instead of going to the place I expect. For example, when I click 'Lounge' on the top bar, instead of taking me to the forum page, it scrolls me down to the part of the front page about the forum page. The 'Latest Posts' button doesn't work, mousing over it, my browser said "javascrip:void(0)". It took me a while to figure out what to click to get to the lounge from there.

Normally I would presume most of these issues are to do with running IceCat on a GNU/Linux machine, but right now I happen to be using Firefox on my fiancee's MacBook, so I think there are more general issues.

As for the HTTPS certificate issue, are you sure you have a current security certificate? If so, it may be that your issuer is not one of the few corporate ones included in most browsers by default. This is a problem with other activist sites, including RiseUp.net, and they have a help page that explains to users what the problem is and what to do.

@fredlook are you saying hosting for a month costs $244? That's about what other NZ organisations I work with (eg Permaculture in NZ) pay for hosting for a year.

Is the server located in NZ? I know that's more expensive than, say, US hosting, although there are data sovereignty advantages. That said, I've read that people's data is subject to the laws of the country where the hosting company is headquartered, even if the customer and their data are located in another country:
http://www.1stcloud.com/nz/data-sovereignty/

One other thing, various comments have implied that there has been an official decision to abandon this Loomio group, which allows the IP membership to actively take part in party decision-making, and move discussions to a forum which allows only discussion, not making proposals, or taking positions on them.

If there was a consensus to this effect on this Loomio group, can anyone provide a link? If not, by what democratic process was this decision made?

@strypey No decision has been made to close loomio, with the restoration of our website we would like to conduct Party business (including our upcoming AGM ) on there so we are encouraging members to logon there and use it (and give useability feedback). Loomio will continue to be the place where member generated policy initiatives can be discussed and "incubated" by members.

The site is hosted on Amazon. I agree it is too expensive (at our current usage) This was not my choice but there it is and I am now focused on getting an AGM happening on it. after that i will listen to any plan (ie specific process and time line for migration and skilled volunteer/s to action) of course we may well grow our numbers and interest to the point where amazon costs dont look unreasonable for the service

The site is running on a virtual ubuntu instance and uses nginx. I did not set it up (having taken over the amazon account i was able to become root) the original site had some licence issues so i stripped it out and grant wrote code for new, the forum is a subdomain with a standard wp install dressed up by grant.

I really have done the best i could for you and it was hugely more complicated and stressful then just finding the best technical solution . so that leaves me paying $244 a month which is in no way sustainable for me. So please rock on over to internet.org.nz and make a donation (paypal now availiable) at least help me carry this through AGM (november)

actually the site costs are for web and mail server and would be nearly halved if we could move the mail server which I believe does not require the same scaleability and power that the website does.... It absolutly must be certified (or lots of mail clients will just refuse us) and I really dont want to break it, loose all our emails, or have it down for any period right now. But that would be a good area to propose a new plan i think.

I use Business Catalyst run by Adobe. It has got a huge back office with automation of replies and emails and loads of other stuff. Many other modules can be activated or imported from third party. We pay about $55/month.

Logged in to grab the donation details this morning and got this message:

503: Service Temporarily Unavailable
Too many IP addresses accessing one secure area!
Please contact Support if you need assistance.

• Flicked an email to the address on the main page - but not sure if anyone gets that. @fredlook or @grantkeinzley can you check my account? 'jo'

Now I can't seem to get to the forums from any of my devices, Any tips?

I am fine accessing from here. This is the account though.
INTERNET PARTY NZ
02-0304-0037857-00

Too many IP addresses, WOW, a flood of donations!

the flood of IP's error is due to people on really slow adsl
connections loading and refreshing pages due to slow loading times

I am no longer managing the site but Fred can contact David (the new
guy) and ask him to flush the IP cache

GrantK

I flushed the cache , let me know if still happen, thank you all for that last flush of donations , We are half way to paying last months web , would be good if dosnt end up just a few carrying it!:-)

Is there a reason why I can no longer log in to the new website?

@colinengland I can.

Yeah, appears that I was using the wrong login code :oops:

Ok its very much beta but i would like to know what platforms this works and what ones it dosnt and why.
It is not live and i will wipe all the input in a coupla days
https://forum.internet.org.nz/newmembers/
give it a go, try and break it, what do/dont you like

Hi Phred.

Have done a quasi signup and have some feedback.

The opening page is smallish print at the top of the page. What about a middle position with a much larger font, enough to almost fill the page?

This would just make it easier to scan and follow, seeing as you have a set dialogue and and very few entry buttons?

Similarly, the membership page could have a centre margin and middle page top to bottom, to position it on the screen better instead of top left corner.

Bigger input boxes with a larger font also preferable, if not too much trouble to adjust.

I had some early issues with the date entry, as I'm an older buggar. What about about seperate boxes for day, month and year and bigger up\down buttons?

I'm being picky I know, but I don't muck around with feedback, and the thing needs to be foolproof as in any old fool can make it work.

I seem to recall when I signed up, that the payment of membership fee by credit card or visa debit card and a way of doing a mouse signature was included in the online signup.

Cheque books and posting letters are rapidly fading from view, as most people now do online transactions and email messages.

Tell me if I'm too frank, but I mean no harm and you have done a great job thus far, keep up the good work!

Did you not get as far as the mouse signature? Maby it didnt show for you.

Clicked all round signature spot and didn't get a mouseki sign point. That was the only thing that didn't do auto transfer.

All good otherwise . . . .

Ahh yes , not so intuitive as i hoped . You have to select "yes i ready to sign" and then "next" in the left hand panel, i will change the ghastly colours on the first page, there is a fair way to go on this one to make it availiable for general use.

I am looking into if i can convrt the pdf to image on the fly and serve that, my tab wont load the pdf

https://forum.internet.org.nz/newmembers/

The mark two
made date entry easier
Serve the pdf as an image of and put the button over the signature
Untangled lotsa spaghetti

Please give it a go and then tell me
What platform , what worked, what broke
Thanks

Good effort. Great to see you've got HTTPS sorted right from the get-go. FYI Let's Encrypt! is new CA run by Mozilla which will be a good place to get free (gratis), well-supported SSL certificates. It's due to be fully up and running by the end of the year.

Just out of curiosity, what's running on the back-end here? How is the database secured?

@strypey thats good news about free ssl , ours has a few years to run. There is no actual connection to the membership database itself just a temp table, as each member is accepted , I will dump (then drop) their data and upload it to the real database , I was advised not to build the actual members database on the website server. so it is elsewhere. while it involves some human intervention to do the transfer i have to confirm payment and exec must approve (re constitution). and i much prefer to filter garbage at source then try and cull it from tables afterwards as i had to do with the legacy membership data.

OK, I have (at the request of Chris Yong) created a policy discussions forum and copied the policy summary documents there for discussion( https://forum.internet.org.nz/?forum=policy-discussions ).

@colinengland has pointed out that they are locked, but if I have done my job right they should only be locked at the root (Home › Forums › Policy Discussions) and at the branch level (eg; Home › Forums › Policy Discussions › Independence) but not the twig level (Home › Forums › Policy Discussions › Independence › Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Agreement).

Please test them out as tomorrow the Policy Discussions will start being promoted on Facebook and it is embarrassing if things don't work. :) Plus, I will be at fire practice and as such out of contact.

Twig level still locked.

@colinengland You were logged in?

@colinengland Right, lets try again. This time it works with a test user.

And thanks man, it would have been friggin embarrassing if it hadn't of worked in the morning.

That appears to be it - well, across the forums that I tested.

Well done you two!

@jobooth @williamasiata @fredlook @all Can you also try to post to one of the twigs under https://forum.internet.org.nz/?forum=policy-discussions

I don't seem t be able to lock the second layer without lockign the third which is unfortunate but it will have to do. Feel free to fix it though:)

Well done @colinengland I think. Otherwise it would have been egg on my face tomorrow. I am, after all, part of the procrastinati. :)

I commented on whole of economy transformation quite fine ☺

Might be a little to early for this (it is however required by the consitution), but @williamasiata was wondering about getting a link from Internet.org.nz to Loomio and I thought maybe it is time we formalised the old parties supposed policy creation in a step format;

1) Loomio Policy Incubator
2) Policy Discussion Forums (8.22.3)
3) Policy Committee Forums (13.1)
4) Party Policy

If we reverse this it would work quite well on the website menu. Also there should be the creation of a restricted (Able to be viewed but closed to members without authority - new S2 category?) forum for the Policy Committee and the formation of the Policy Committee should be added the AGM....eg; Volunteers that can be endorsed by executive as per skill set.

https://forum.internet.org.nz/?topic=site-improvements&paged=2

@maelwryth eeeeek! I do not have the skills, Grant v busy, I have sent link to David, Any keen WP wisperers out there wanna help. ?