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Wed 1 Aug 2018 10:06AM

Turning Externalities into Internalities

BH Bob Haugen Public Seen by 133

This topic was suggested by @michelbauwens1 in this comment in the Introductions thread. I thought it was worth a thread of its own.

I copied the text from that comment here, unfortunately losing some of the formatting, but the meaning should be clear.

Title: Turning Externalities into Internalities

Subtitle: Is it possible to produce for human needs without externalities

Chapter 1: Introduction and Context

The emergence of post-subordinate autonomous workers: the role of labor mutuals and platform cooperatives in the commons economy (the blockchain economy as a tool for contributory cognitive labor)

** crypto economy as a re-balancing of power between labor and capital

** crypto economy as network-dominant economy beyond corporate and state power

** role of labour mutuals

Value in the Commons: a summary of previous findings (value sovereignty, transvestment stragegies, reverse cooptation of capital for the commons)

Evaluating the Emergence of the Crypto Economy from the point of view of the commons (mobilizing competency networks for common goals; towards commons-based DAO’s ?) so

** critique of market totalitarianism (leviathan, hobbes and gaia)

** crypto as sovereignity of the corporate class vs sovereignty of civil society (need to disentangle both) (five scenario’s of manski)

** distinguishing distrlbuted ledgers from the blockchain (explain ledgers and DLT’s), also in relation to trust

** rebalancing capital and labor for cognitive production: learning from the token economy

** transforming the token economy for the commons (in detail, what the shift entails, f.e. From competitive to cooperative games, from smart contracts, to ostrom contracts)

** two kinds of economics (Polany’s distinction)

** scaling trust (big brother to little brother)

** from govt and corporate, third party coordination to autonomous network coordination

The Role of Accounting in the Shift towards the Peer Production of Everything (accounting as mediation with the physical, bringing stigmergy to material production through open and shared supply chains, )
** history of ledgers ?

** explain 3 layer model

** explain functional governance transition

** local vs global (example from city graph 3.6)

Solving the Problem of Externalities: towards an externalities-free mode of production ? (how can externalities be normalized as internalities in predistributive social distribution and regenerative ecological production)
Chapter 2: Evolutions in Accounting

Accounting for contributions (positive social)
** predistribution within commons

** basic income in society

Maintaining acceptable social distribution, i.e. relative equality in the distribution of value (negative social)
** from redistribution to predistribution

** acceptable inequalities

** learning from the past (hunter-gatherers, ancient democracies, medieval communes)

Respecting the Doughnut (negative ecological): how to stay within planetary boundaries while providing for human needs

Thermo-dynamic Accounting or: biophysical accountability (positive ecological): accessing thermo-dynamic flows in open and shared supply chains

Chapter 3: The Emerging toolbox

Supply chain projects: Provenance, Oxchain, Open Motors, Wikifactory, Envianta ?

Distributed ledgers Holochain): going beyond extractive blockchains

** distributed ledgers as the open and shared supply chains

** tokens for valuing non-mercantile value

** generative finance: social and ecological

Ostrom Contracts ? (David Dao): smart contracts for commons-based DAOs

REA Accounting for Eco-systems (from corporate to ecosystemic open and shared supply chains)

Ethical current-sees? Monitoring flows and rewarding contributions: The Economic Space Agency: mutualizing investment, risk-taking and speculation (commons-based derivatives for financing future common production), Faircoin/Commoncoin + learning from labor allocation in intentional communities (Allen Butcher’s work)

Tokens for Regenerativity (Regen’’s Ecological State Protocols; circular financing of regenerative practices)

Impact Accounting through the Common Good Economy

Global Thresholds and Allocations for biophysical accountability (the Reporting 3.0 framework)

Large scale governance (Daostack’s holographic governance)

Designing Cooperative games instead of competitive games (RChain) ?

DAO’s for natural agents: the Terra0 project for augmented forests

? Trustlines Network ?

VG

Vincenzo Giorgino Mon 13 Aug 2018 9:33AM

Hi Michel,
I would like to add my comments too to this relevant proposal in a couple of weeks if possible. Best, Vincenzo

MB

Michel Bauwens Tue 6 Aug 2019 10:11AM

dear Vincenzo,

you are probably aware that the report has been published:

  • P2P Accounting for Planetary Survival: Towards a P2P Infrastructure for a Socially Just Circular Society. By Michel Bauwens and Alex Pazaitis. Foreword by Kate Raworth. P2P Foundation, June 2019.

URL = http://commonstransition.org/p2p-accounting-for-planetary-survival/ ; draft illustrations ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RQXhk83jrRTuWXKzPC6R5pxcbm-hqA-WiRgsfjU9NIs/edit#heading=h.sibbvp2nuezx )

How shared perma-circular supply chains, post-blockchain distributed ledgers, protocol cooperatives, and three new forms of post-capitalist accounting, could very well save the planet.

Contents

[hide ( https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Accounting_for_Planetary_Survival# )]

VG

Vincenzo Giorgino Wed 7 Aug 2019 8:48AM

Hi Michel,

yes I know it, dowloaded and printed (the best way to read for me), partially red it. ... And cited quite soon!

Is
still open the invitation you did, maybe the last year, about the
possibility of research funding by a coop-based body? I have an idea
about a small town in South of Italy (near Paestum, Campania) where it
could be possible to set up the "Wise Commoning School" (you told me in
Paris lst February that you will be interested to teach in it).

A
community coop for energy self-production - like in Melpignano (Puglia
Region) and the implementation of what is called in Italy "albergo
diffuso" (widespread hotel).

Best,

enzo

MB

Michel Bauwens Wed 7 Aug 2019 8:50AM

I have not come up with funding, but have found one for a online MOOC on commons economics, which we are prototyping as we speak and developing in 2020, funded by Seoul city

VG

Vincenzo Giorgino Wed 7 Aug 2019 8:53AM

Ok.Thanks.

DS

Danyl Strype Mon 5 Aug 2019 5:00PM

I find it a bit hard to parse the bullet points by @Michel Bauwens , perhaps the formatting really is necessary. But I can think of only two ways to faciliate economic activity using software. One is tools that automate well-defined and predictable processes that need to occur regularly (eg payment gateways), the other is tools that facilitate conversations.

Take a ride-sharing service for example. The software can automate many aspects of a successful ride exchange:

  • identifying my location (with GPS, cell tower triangulation, or allowing me to enter it)

  • accepting my desired destination and plotting an estimated route, travel time, and fee (if it's a commercial exchange).

  • identifying the nearest available driver(s) and asking them if they want a passenger

  • accepting a driver and giving them the location of the passenger, and a route to them

  • accepting input that the passenger has been picked up, and plotting a route to their destination

  • accepting payment (if it's commercial) and ratings (of driver, car etc) from the passenger.

However, there are all sorts of reasons a passenger and driver might need to communicate directly. For example, if the driver wants to confirm the passenger's destination, or ask which side of the road they're waiting on, or what they look like etc. So ideally, the ride-sharing app would also include a chat facility. Once a driver has accepted a passenger, the app could allow them to send text messages to each other (ideally with built-in translation in case they don't have a common language), or call each other, without any need to share phone numbers etc with each other (for privacy).

An Uber style app would try to automate everything, using proprietary software (although often built out of non-copyleft free code components), and not allow users to communicate, so that the maximum amount of data can be farmed out of the interaction. An open source approach would develop as many of these functions as possible as modular components (or use existing ones). It would not only facilitate human communication between driver and passenger during an exchange, but it would include facilities for regular communication and community-building among drivers, and maybe regular passengers too.

My point is "chatter" is as essential to democratic economic networks as it is superfluous and threatening to technocratic ones. Also, that when people are testing bleeding edge communication technology (or just being playful) they will post cat pictures and fart jokes. But the value of the tech, or communication in general, can't be judged on those uses.

BH

Bob Haugen Mon 5 Aug 2019 11:41PM

"chatter" is as essential to democratic economic networks as it is superfluous and threatening to technocratic ones

We agree, and think that we need a combination of social and economic networks. See https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/view/64P7o1b-7n8WCppvlhlHoC6xqs6TYqgfuQsE7rrMxn8/

But we disagree on

One is tools that automate well-defined and predictable processes that need to occur regularly (eg payment gateways), the other is tools that facilitate conversations.

We think they need to be combined. Conversations can develop and organize economic interactions (which need to go way beyond payment gateways; we can create economic networks that don't need money at all, altho we have not much done it yet) which can then be surrounded by more conversations about what happened, how it all worked, what we should do next time, etc.

MB

Michel Bauwens Tue 6 Aug 2019 10:15AM

dear Stripey,

Just for info if you missed it, that report has now been published:

  • P2P Accounting for Planetary Survival: Towards a P2P Infrastructure for a Socially Just Circular Society. By Michel Bauwens and Alex Pazaitis. Foreword by Kate Raworth. P2P Foundation, June 2019.

URL = http://commonstransition.org/p2p-accounting-for-planetary-survival/ ; draft illustrations ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RQXhk83jrRTuWXKzPC6R5pxcbm-hqA-WiRgsfjU9NIs/edit#heading=h.sibbvp2nuezx )

How shared perma-circular supply chains, post-blockchain distributed ledgers, protocol cooperatives, and three new forms of post-capitalist accounting, could very well save the planet.

Contents

[hide ( https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Accounting_for_Planetary_Survival# )]

G

Graham Tue 6 Aug 2019 11:05AM

To be fair, I don't think @Strypey suggested that these two aspects, which might perhaps be labelled, to use the language of the Platform Design Toolkit https://platformdesigntoolkit.com as the Transaction Engine and Learning Engine, would essentially be separate. Indeed, as you suggest @Bob Haugen it makes a lot of sense for them to be closely blended as they add value to each other.

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