Thu 5 Apr 2018 7:17AM

Did you ask for your Manna basic income ?

CP Christophe Parot Public Seen by 364

Manna is distributing an unconditional basic income to everybody asking for it. You only have to register at
with my referral code :)
Then you can go on working on your preferred open source app, you know you will be pay each month. Manna is already distributing a basic income to more than 30,000 people in the world. Your online wallet will allow you to send or receive Manna from other participants.


Danyl Strype Fri 20 Apr 2018 6:46AM

Has anyone checked this out? Who gives away free money? From a quick web search, it seems to be a blockchain thing, so ...

Maybe it's meant to be a bit like Flattr 2.0, where people install a browser plug-in and contribute a monthly amount, and then that money is distributed by Flattr to various creators, on that basis of data collected by that plug-in.


Simon Grant Fri 20 Apr 2018 8:17AM

I confess I had a quick look, then turned away on the principle that as it sounded too good to be true, it probably was. I briefly speculated to myself on how it might work -- e.g. there might be some rich benefactors in there; and your idea @strypey is another one -- but then if the owners of the site don't want to say how it actually works, then presumably it's more likely to be a Ponzi of some sort?


Graham Fri 20 Apr 2018 9:20AM

I had a look and walked away. The sign up wanted a lot of personal information without giveing me any idea who would have access to that, how securely it mightbe stored, or what the benefit to me might be, other than receiving some presumably worthless crypto-tokens. It may be well intended, but feels more like a scam.


Michel Bauwens Fri 20 Apr 2018 9:55AM

for one that works, check out duniter/G1, which @Maiadereva is using,



Christophe Parot Fri 20 Apr 2018 2:27PM

Everything is explain in the faq https://www.mannabase.com/static/documents/mannabase_faq.pdf and the code is on github https://github.com/mannacurrency it is opensource, nothing to do with a scam. The Know your customer (KYC) questions are mandatory to verify that people do not ask twice their basic income. Duniter is another intersting project based on the relative theory of money. It is not a basic income, it is a universal dividend of your contribution to the society.


Graham Fri 20 Apr 2018 2:49PM

Hi Christophe. I fear that you might have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say that it was a scam. I said it felt like a scam. Pretty much all blockchain/cryptocurrency software is open source so that really doesn't have any bearing. I simply decided that I didn't want to hand over personal data to some faceless organisation that I knew nothing about. I couldn't find any information about the business model, how the people who run the project are funded, how the organisation was structured, what the governance model was, and it did not engender trust. This is not a criticism of any of the pople involved - I don't know any of them, but the website should be providing this type of information in my opinion, rather than getting me to download PDF files and suchlike. So it's a criticism of the marketing. And then you offer me a referral link, which means that you are in some way incentivised to get me to sign up, which again feels to me like some sort of pyramid selling scam. I see no inherent value in this project - maybe that's just me. Thanks.


Christophe Parot Fri 20 Apr 2018 3:28PM

@graham2 For me Manna is the biggest innovation of these last 10 years. The website gives a link to the whitepaper. This document gives the name of the foundation which is managing the project, a clear description of the business model and the mission of the foundation, name and pictures of people working on the project etc... It does not require any $ or € to claim your basic income or the whitepaper. It is your right to prefer to go on with a debt money issued by a private central bank which has not been elected by anybody. I only want to inform the people here working on opensource tools about this great opensource tool. If everybody would use Manna instead of $ or € , a new era could start. Yes I am using a referral link, because it is a job to inform people about Manna basic income and it seems normal to me to be paid to do this job. More than 11,000 thousands people have already ask for it and I do not want to convince you, I am sure you are intelligent enough to make your own choice, if you have the feeling that Mannabase looks like a scam you will probably not be the only one. I also suggest that people interested by the problem of money follow the Money & society MOOC from the University of Cumbria, prof Jem Bendell. http://mooc1.communityforge.net/user/register


Oli SB Fri 20 Apr 2018 4:52PM

Paid how? If in the mythical currency then Graham’s comment is spot on, in terms of it looking like a pyramid scheme...


Christophe Parot Fri 20 Apr 2018 9:05PM

Today’s economy is a pyramid scheme managed by central banks. It can works only with a permanent growth ; Dollars and euro are created out of thin air and distributed to banks. Banks make loans and you have to pay the interests of the loans with your work, if you have one. Permanent growth on a planet with limited ressources is a lie.
Distributing a basic income to individuals and organisations will allow us to build a better world.
I am paid in Manna to promote this new paradigm, you may use it or stay with the previous old one which is increasing inequalities. It is up to you.


Danyl Strype Sun 22 Apr 2018 7:33AM

You seem surprised by the healthy scepticism expressed here @christopheparot1 . Given that you are promoting a scheme that claims to give away free money, it would surprise me much more if people didn't want detailed explanations of how this is supposed to work in practice, before we involve ourselves in any way. You need to expect this, and be prepared to give detailed responses to and and all questions. If defensive hand-waving about the software being "open source" and your intentions being pure will convince anyone, I've got a bridge to sell them ;)

Today’s economy is a pyramid scheme managed by central banks

Everyone who has ever tried to sell me a pyramid scheme points this out when challenged to show the scheme they're selling is not a pyramid scheme. It's classic misdirection, because it doesn't answer the question, but pretends that it has by saying 'everything is a scam so why not buy into the scam I'm selling?'

Dollars and euro are created out of thin air and distributed to banks

This is true (see Modern Monary Theory) but irrelevant. Crypto-tokens issued by software are also created out of thin air. All money is a social agreement that otherwise useless tokens have exchange value (see Graeber's book 'Debt'). So what? What real value does a Manna token have? Who will accept them in exchange for goods or services?

Distributing a basic income to individuals and organisations will allow us to build a better world.

I agree, but again, it's irrelevant to the question of whether Manna is a viable way of doing this. So far, I see no reason to think it is.

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