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Membership/admission decisions

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins PublicSeen by 106

A place to discuss individual applications from potential CoTech members (co-ops).

Discussions about changing/defining/refining policies should be had on Discourse and then brought here for ratification

Sion Whellens (Principle Six)

Good initiative. Would it be better to keep applications here, but have the discussion about membership policy over at CoTech Community, then bring it here for decision once drafted?

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Thought it would be good to collect this stuff together.

My understanding of the current situation is thus (see also https://coops.tech/join):

  • self-identifies as a worker co-op that sells technology and conforms to Worker Co-op Code = automatically accepted
  • multi-stakeholder co-ops where workers make up at least 50% controlling interest = proposal via Loomio
  • not worker-controlled, not a co-op, not based in UK or not selling tech = can't join

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Organisations that have not been allowed to join so far include:

  • Brighton Digital Exchange - not a worker co-op (made up of privately owned companies)
  • GreenNet - currently owned by a charity and therefore not technically autonomous. Asked to reapply once conversion to worker co-op complete
  • Protozoa - based in New Zealand (an Enspiral venture) - we'll notify them if we go international
  • Digital Life Collective - not a worker co-op - instead a meta-co-op-network-network which CoTech could join
  • Buy Smart - consumer rather than worker co-op

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Organisations that have been allowed to join that are not strictly worker co-ops include:
* Outlandish - constitutionally a consortium co-op, though only has worker members and no plans to change this
* Web Architects technically a multi-stakeholder co-op split 50/50 between employees and clients
* We Are Open - technically some sort of consortium/freelance co-op
* The Dot Project, Go Free Range, FolkLabs and others - proto-co-ops with articles that are compatible with worker co-ops, that work as co-ops and meet all the guidelines from the Worker Co-op Code but which are not formally/legally constituted as worker co-ops

Shaun Fensom

Also CBN, a freelancer coop, is a member

Allow Developer Society to join CoTech

proposal by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins Closed Fri 13 Oct 2017 4:34PM

Outcome
by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Developer Society are eligible to join CoTech. Yay!

https://www.dev.ngo/ is a successful Birmingham-based multi-stakeholder tech co-operative. It was started last year after the owners of Blanc Ltd deciding to mutualise. It currently has three stakeholder groups - employees, clients and (controversially?) founders. I believe this last category was created as a way to safeguard the company culture and direction during the transition, and am waiting for some more details.

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Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Agree

They seem that they would be a good addition to the network and seem to be a worker co-op in practice

Simon Grant
Agree

Looks like they are in line with many of our core values.

Graham
Abstain

Abstaining because I don't have the information that I asked for, and therefore can't make a sound decision.

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)
Abstain

[Go Free Range] We don't feel we have enough information about ownership and democratic processes at Developer Society to make a decision. Happy to revisit when there is more info.

Their site looks great, hope someone from their co-op is able to make it to Wortley Hall, they are clearly a co-op and it would be good to hear more detail from them regarding the way they work.

Graham
Agree

Changing my vote to agree, on the basis that we now have real information on which to base a decision. Thanks Harry for posting the documents.

Graham

Re: Developer Society: do the workers have a controlling interest?

I don't want to be pedantic but at Webarchitects (one word, we are not legally Architects), the workers have 50% of the votes, clients and partners have 25% and investors have 25%, see our rules for the full details...

Having said that I think this thread is a great idea -- these things should be transparent and clear 👍

I don't think the coops.tech site links to the Workers Co-operative Code and perhaps it should (I 'm not sure I even knew this document existed...)?

Graham asked:

Re: Developer Society: do the workers have a controlling interest?

The document the FCA has available to download for £12 might answer that, note that they are a Community Benefit Society (rather than a Co-operative Society) and this is usually a legal form used by community co-ops that need to raise shares, eg a community pub or wind turbine or something, it'll be interesting to hear about the details of their structure.

Sion Whellens (Principle Six)

"Outlandish is not technically a worker coop" - my view is that a worker coop can be made up of self-employed people or a mix of emloyed and self-employed (including through service companies) if they identify as such and the primary coop relationship of the members is around decent work. CICOPA and Coops UK prefer to define worker coops as strictly employee, and freelancers as consortia (like buying groups of family businesses, farmers' coops, etc) which I think is too rigid and certainly outdated given the changing nature of work.

Link to the Worker Coop Code: https://www.uk.coop/sites/default/files/uploads/attachments/worker_co-operative_code_2nd_edition_0_0.pdf

I would also suggest that we require prospective members to share their top level document of incorporation (articles if company, rules if society, partner agreement if LLP, etc) to see how far it embeds coop ownership and control principles.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Fully agree @sionwhellens - the key thing is that it is a business owned and controlled by its workers which adheres to co-op principles.

Graham

...owned and democratically controlled...

Graham

Which takes us back to my earlier question, is the Developer Society owned and democratically controlled by the workers? If this is the essence of the rule for membership of Cotech, then presumably we need to know the answer to this question before anyone can vote on the proposal. If the ''client and 'founder' stakeholder groups can outvote the workers, then it could be argued that the workers don't have control, and therefore that the organisation doesn't meet the criteria for membership. Or are we saying that we are aren't concerned about this, because they "seem" like a good fit. (Note that I'm raising this point not to be bloody minded or obstructive, but because I want some clarity, and some solid information on which to base my decision).

Shaun Fensom

@graham2 is of course correct. Are they or aren't they?

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

FYI I have requested the relevant documents and extended the deadline for voting for Friday so we can discuss the various questions people have raised.
There's a bit of a flaw to discussing these things in a place where non-members can't comment.
Does anyone know co-op development advisor Alex Bird who helped create their structure?

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

My bad - they sent them to me ages ago and I failed to post them. Please review and update your responses @thomasparisot @chrislowis @graham2 @chriscroome

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

As far as I can see it's a classic employee/customer multi-stakeholder co-op with specific provision for the Founder Members having seats on the board of directors. If there is a provision for different types of members having different voting powers I can't find it but this isn't my area of expertise.

"If there is a provision for different types of members having different voting powers I can't find"

I can't either, regarding Graham's question:

"do the workers have a controlling interest?"

It would appear to me that they do as long as the founders are workers.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

@graham2 @chrislowis @thomasparisot I believe all the information that's been requested has been posted now. Could you update your votes if necessary? I guess we'll take abstentions as abstentions otherwise (e.g. they'll be allowed to join)

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

We probably don't have time or the expertise to do a proper review of the documents you shared @harryrobbins before the deadline. More than happy to go with the majority on this one, they seem great!

Roy Brooks

As @harryrobbins, no expert on co-op constitutions, but they do seem to tick all the important boxes... and working for good.

Graham

An admittedly quick scan through the rules for Developer Society indicates that employees have no inbuilt majority on the board of directors. The rules do suggest that the directors should aim for a balance on the board that reflects the size of the three membership groups (Founders, Employees, and Supporters), and that seems to be the only aspect of the rules that might tend towards giving employee members the balance of power, on the assumption that Founder members will gradually resign or die off over time and become a vestigial grouping with the society, and the second assumption that Supporter members would not seek to act against the interests of the employees. My recommendation would be to modify the rules to ensure a board majority for employees at all times whilst still recognising the governance value of board representation for founders and supporters. On balance, and in practice, I can go with the notion that the employee members have control, but it is certainly not written into their rules.

Allow Data Unlocked to join CoTech

proposal by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins Closed Fri 8 Dec 2017 2:03PM

Data Unlocked are a tech worker co-op who attended the annual retreat and would like to be formally recognised as members

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Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Agree

They're a worker controlled tech co-operative and seem lovely so I can't see any reason not to let them join.

Allow Alpha Co-op to join CoTech

proposal by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins Closed Sun 18 Feb 2018 12:01PM

Outcome
by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Alpha Co-op are now a member of CoTech

Based in newcastle, offer design, comms and WordPress development. Co-op since 1987. Wave know them.

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Graham
Agree

Great to see some old ICOM mem and arts documents.

Graham

Certainly well known in this parish since well before the turn of the century.

Allow Digital Liberties to join CoTech

proposal by Chris Roos Closed Fri 23 Feb 2018 1:02PM

Outcome
by Chris Roos

Thanks for voting, everyone. And apologies for the delay in sharing this outcome.

Although it sounds as though there's some concern about Digital Liberties' Articles of Association; we didn't receive any Disagree or Block votes so they're in! Welcome, Fabian and co.

I'll get in touch with Digital Liberties to ensure they have access to the various tools we use in CoTech.

Fabian Tompsett of Digital Liberties has attended a number of CoTech related events, including Wortley Hall 2017.

Fabian sent their Articles of Association to the internal CoTech mailing list on 4 Oct 2017 and again on 25 Jan 2018 (note that you'll need a login to view those threads). Although there was some response to the 25 Jan email it doesn't look as though we ever got as far as creating a proposal to vote on them joining.

Fabian's been in touch again to enquire about their membership status so I'm creating this proposal for us to vote.

I've attached their Articles of Association.

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Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Abstain

Digital Liberties appear to currently fit the requirements of membership but they're at an early stage. Membership should be contingent on them remaining "owned and controlled by their workers" and compliant with the other criteria

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Digital Liberties appear to be some sort of community/multi-stakeholder co-op rather than worker controlled according to their articles. I'd be happy for them to join on the basis that they are worker controlled, but on the understanding that if they later turn out to be something other than worker controlled they may be asked to leave.

Allow Netuxo to Join CoTech

proposal by Chris Lowis (Go Free Range) Closed Fri 23 Feb 2018 10:02AM

Outcome
by Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

Welcome onboard Netuxo! I'll be in touch with them to help them get setup with everything they need.

Netuxo have applied to join CoTech. A little bit about them from their website:

> Along with hosting websites and providing mail services (see hosting packages) Netuxo specialise in building sites using the Drupal Content Management System and maintaining and developing sites that have been built with Drupal.

Netuxo registered in 2003 via Catalyst as a company limited by guarantee, with articles of association defining them as a worker co-op. They are members of Co-ops UK. Their articles of association are unchanged from the Radical Routes model documents.

As per the constitution this is a member vote (one vote per co-op, please) which must pass without disagreement or blocking.

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Aptivate Cooperators
Agree

A member of Aptivate has worked there previously, and vouches Netuxo are very nice people :)

Graham

The governing document for Digital Liberties provides no certainty or guarantees that workers will control the business. If I were their advisor I would probably encourage them to address that. So i don't think they can be allowed membership under the first criterion.

However, the statement at https://www.coops.tech/join also reads: "Secondary co-ops and multi-stakeholder co-ops are also welcome so long as all they (and their members) do not generate money for investors by exploiting their workers." (I think this probably reads better without the "all" in there, but that's anohter story).

Again I didn't spot anything in the governing document for Digital Liberties about worker exploitation, from a quick reading. Nor would I expect there to be. What there is, is a clear statement of adherence to the ICA values and principles. On that basis MC3 will support their membership of CoTech.

I do think this criterion referring to secondaries and multi-stakeholder co-ops is a bit flimsy and rather difficult to ascertain in practice, so would benefit from a bit of thought.