"Quiet times" during Kiez Burn

Daniel Regev Public Seen by 352

Let's discuss and hear all opinions towards taking a decision regarding if&when to apply "Quiet times" (no music) during Kiez Burn

learning last year

So, last year (KB 17), the biggest criticism from the Census was "Too fucking loud!!!". Also, at Welfare we had lots of cases related to the issue, many people were in physical and emotional distress due to the constant noise without the possibility to have a break from it.

site planning

Please keep in mind the site this year is 6 times bigger, with many hills, so that sound would not travel that much. We took sound really into consideration this year during the site planning, with sound travelling east, you can check what this means for your Kiez and camping here: http://bit.ly/2rj5SIx (check out the layer "sound zones")

Proposal No1 (Bandit)

Quiet time accross the whole site. Suggested times:
* 6am-12am
Exception days when sound can be on all night
* friday and saturday
* Only saturday

Proposal No2 (Daniel)

1) Complete Quiet Times all around the Playa 6-11 AM (small bluetooth speaker while eating breakfast doesn't count, the idea is to allow people all around the Burn to sleep and get a break from loud music).
2) No restriction on Saturday night - Burn night.
3) Kieze in Semi-loud zones (map is available to view) should be considerate with how loud they are in terms of volume, hours and which days. Would be great to have soundcamps from this zone not busting loud music every day until 6AM. In case of ongoing complaints, Wonderers (Rangers) will step in and ask to lower the volume. In addition, if we have a Sounds Engineers taking ownership of this matter, he can decide a bar and soundcamps would need to not cross that bar (decibels) from let's say 2AM-6AM. Point number 3 can be discussed further, if you have something to add you can agree and still comment about it

Eyal "abu-Pitzky" of Zerzura Tue 8 May 2018 8:40AM

I think quite time between 7-11 is a good idea.
Having said that, I think it would be nice if on the night of the Effigy Burning (or temple), no quite time will be enforced, because it's the wildest night of them all.

Sweet Like Candy Tue 8 May 2018 8:48AM

How are you guys going to reach a decision on this? Poll the Kieze or general Kiezburn population? Or get inspired by this thread?

waldo Tue 8 May 2018 9:03AM

you can use one of the decision tools on the right side in the thread to ask ppl about what they think about whatever solution you come up with from the consultation.
* So this could be the absolute queiet time range (through poll or dot vote)
* and then the general concept also needs to be decided and agreed on, maybe through "check" or "proposal"
I would definitely advise against Facebook polling. The best reasons is that the first option usually always wins. Loomio offers a tool that offers a more "equal" polling way.

Sweet Like Candy Tue 8 May 2018 11:27AM

Thanks, Waldo! I see, that is a good feature... Might the original quiet-thread starter want to do something like this? Given the KB population is well-represented on here? @daniel regev? 🦄

waldo Tue 8 May 2018 12:17PM

Anybody can start a decision process, so you could too.

waldo Tue 8 May 2018 12:45PM

@sweetlikecandy I already started a couple of ideas at the bottom of the description of this thread for the proposal.
You can "test" how a proposal would look like in the Kiez Burn testing grounds: https://www.loomio.org/g/US8Cdgub/kiez-burn-testground

Jan-Christian Kaspareit Tue 8 May 2018 12:36PM

We as the "Downtempo Saloon" defined our DJ timeslots from 12pm to 6am now. If the official quiet hour starts at 7 the last set might go a little longer, but I think 6 is actually a good time to take a break.