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Change displayed information in #tags view

Steffen van BergeremSteffen van Bergerem Mon 13 Jan 2014 6:36PMPublicSeen by 84

There are several issues / feature requests on github affecting the #tags view. Let's discuss and vote which we want to implement/drop.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van Bergerem
Disagree
Tue 21 Jan 2014 12:08AM

This needs to be configurable which will add more code complexity. Also sharing that information across pods will add more complexity. I don't think that we need that feature.

lebarjack

lebarjack
Agree
Tue 21 Jan 2014 7:42AM

I think this can help newcomers to find contacts who share the same interest. It may counterbalance the impression of loneliness for these newcomers (in opposition to other really crowded social networks).

Jason Robinson

Jason Robinson
Agree
Tue 21 Jan 2014 8:11PM

I'm voting yes but I would like it redesigned.

1) Show some LOCAL users who explicitly agree in their settings to expose their tag followings (off by default)
2) Text changed to for example: "Some local users following this tag"

No federation.

Jonne Haß

Jonne Haß
Disagree
Tue 21 Jan 2014 9:48PM

Not a good idea. Showing local people just adds to the confusion, sharing followed tags with pods is not a option. Visibility per followed tag is complex (UX wise too). We have profile tags for that reason, separation of concerns is a good thing.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan
Abstain
Tue 21 Jan 2014 10:34PM

I think this vote is not precise enough. The implementation is very important. Let's imagine a mockup first, and then vote about it.

StarBlessed

StarBlessed
Agree
Wed 22 Jan 2014 4:53AM

I think showing a couple of LOCAL users could be good, it encourages interaction between members on the same pod. But it has to be opt in. If this goes ahead, I think that the tag followers don't need to be shared across pods.

Flaburgan

Flaburgan
Disagree
Wed 22 Jan 2014 11:24AM

I think this vote is not precise enough. The implementation is very important. Let's imagine a mockup first, and then vote about it.

But I tend to disagree: I guess people who follow #nsfw probably don't want other people to know that...

goob

goob
Abstain
Wed 22 Jan 2014 11:27AM

Want to vote 'no' but as proposal is not specific I think I have to abstain for now. See comment for more details on what I think.

maliktunga

maliktunga
Disagree
Fri 24 Jan 2014 9:36PM

This is useless complexity added to tags. When I browse a tag, all I want are the posts related to that tag, not the people who follow it.

Sean Tilley

Sean Tilley
Agree
Fri 24 Jan 2014 9:48PM

I think it's a useful way to find people with common interests, or people that are a part of an organization or community, such as #Mozilla, #FSF, #Ubuntu, etc.

Florian Staudacher

Florian Staudacher
Abstain
Sat 25 Jan 2014 12:21PM

if we really do that, we'll have to make it more clear that those are local users

Xophael

Xophael
Disagree
Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:10AM

Privacy is my primary concern so until I have strong guarantee this feature is opt-in, I can't totally back it for now. Also I don't really need it since I mostly interact with people inside posts--but that's just my way.

FÁBIÁN Tamás László

FÁBIÁN Tamás László
Disagree
Mon 27 Jan 2014 8:59AM

I think it'd be a privacy issue.

Karthikeyan A K

Karthikeyan A KTue 21 Jan 2014 2:45AM

Okay but if I follow a tag tag and don't want to be visible, that option must be present.

lebarjack

lebarjackTue 21 Jan 2014 7:38AM

Configurability doesn't always imply the code complexity. And speaking of federation, I'm not sure this will be a problem if we stick to the profiles which have already been pushed on the pod and the local profiles.

goob

goobTue 21 Jan 2014 12:23PM

@lebarjack, if someone who follows a tag wants to be found by others who share the same interest, they can add that tag to the 'describe yourself in 5 words' field in profile settings. Then they will appear in the list of people on the tag's page.

@steffenvanbergerem, what factors/issues are we meant to be considering in this vote, if not privacy?

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremTue 21 Jan 2014 1:30PM

@goob Privacy is IMO in this case not an issue because one could (should) make this feature optional. What should be decided is: do we need it? When we implement it there will be more code complexity and we would have to put the setting somewhere. Should the user be able to decide for each tag if he/she would like to make the tag following public or should there be a setting which decides that for all tags? Do we want to share that information across pods or do we just show a list of users who follow a tag on your own pod?

As a user I don't want to use that feature (because of privacy issues) so I think that all that effort is not necessary. Thats the reason why I voted against that feature.

lebarjack

lebarjackTue 21 Jan 2014 1:33PM

@Goob You have a point with the privacy problem that can occur, but I do think that those 5 tags are not really adapted to the goal of making easier to find new friendly contacts.

Of course, every one interested in a topic will probably make a public post on this topic at some point, and will end up being findable by searching for the tag. Maybe it's sufficient.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremTue 21 Jan 2014 10:18PM

@jasonrobinson There is no such feature yet and I did not add anything about the design in the proposal so there is no need for a redesign.

Jason Robinson

Jason RobinsonTue 21 Jan 2014 10:23PM

@steffenvanbergerem I believe I am entitled to cite my opinion whatever the vote is about ;)

Flaburgan

FlaburganTue 21 Jan 2014 10:34PM

Just to inform you, I saw many users doing the confusion between tags they put on their profile and tags they follow. Unfortunately, I don't know the solution to deal with this problem.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremTue 21 Jan 2014 10:36PM

@jasonrobinson You are. I just wouldn't call it "redesign" but thats nit-picking. If we decide to implement that feature I agree that the design you proposed is the right way to implement it.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremWed 22 Jan 2014 1:31AM

Another 'solution' just came to my mind. Instead of a list of followers we could add a list "users who tagged a post with #tag".

goob

goobWed 22 Jan 2014 11:21AM

Instead of a list of followers we could add a list “users who tagged a post with #tag”.

You mean like the thumbnail icons at the top right of the stream, showing people who are active in the stream? That might be doable.

goob

goobWed 22 Jan 2014 11:26AM

It's difficult to decide how to vote on this.

I'd like to vote against, because I have no use for this feature and think it creates needless complexity and server load. I also dislike leaking personal data unless explicitly permitted by the user.

However some people clearly want it, and if it's done in an opt-in way which means only people who want their avatar on the tag page will have it there, I have no objection in principle.

I still don't think there's any real reason to do that, but as the proposal isn't any more clear about reasons and means to achieve a particular goal, I think I have to abstain.

However, my vote can be considered as a 'no' if implementing any sort of list of tag followers would create extra server load.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremWed 22 Jan 2014 12:22PM

@flaburgan One of our principles is 'privacy by default' so this definitely has to be opt-in. The idea of this vote was to find out if there is a need for that feature. If thats the case we can think about mockups / implementation details. You and @goob both said that this vote is not specific enough. Do you think we should add more information to the proposal? What is missing? Do we need more time to discuss and vote or should I close this vote and start a new one later?

goob

goobWed 22 Jan 2014 1:30PM

@steffenvanbergerem If you just mean 'do I personally want this feature?' my vote would be no. If you mean 'do I think this feature should be allowed if enough people want it?' I would have to abstain.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremWed 22 Jan 2014 9:45PM

The question is "Do you think that enough users want that feature? Is it worth the effort? Should it be allowed?"

Seth Martin

Seth MartinThu 23 Jan 2014 6:27PM

This would be just as confusing as having a number but could be useful if it's clearly stated that list of users is partial and that only users of the same pod that have opted in are shown. I'm doubting that it's worth the effort.

goob

goobThu 23 Jan 2014 7:18PM

As I don't know how much effort it would take, I'll have to abstain. But my vote can be considered as a strong no if:

  • it would take a lot of work to create and implement this feature, or
  • it would increase server load to run it.

I don't think it really adds anything useful, so unless it would be really easy to implement and make no difference to pod performance, I don't think we should attempt it.

Steffen van Bergerem

Steffen van BergeremSat 25 Jan 2014 1:44PM

@seantilleycommunit You are able to add 5 tags to your own profile which could be #mozilla, #fsf, #whatever. What is the advantage of public tag followings over tags in your profile (which are available across pods)?