Hello - Totally agree - I am a member of Lib Dems who have been Long Term proponents of a PR system -you are correct Labour -Tory Leaders do not want to join and support - The need many feel is to form a sort of "single use party" my own vtew is "Government of National Unity Party" this would have a Fixed Agenda/manifesto - to incude PR - Written Constitution - scrap the Monarch in Politics as it has caused the Elite v the rest for Decades - PR for 6 English Assemblies to join with NI -Wales & Scotland = to link with a Council of Britain (copy of EU) where the Council Members are drawn from the 9 Assemblies

All parties with a 1000 ??? members to get Govt/Taxpayer funding -- Zero Lobbying of parties - all Lobbying to the Assemblies - all other lobbying - payments to politcians and Civil Servants a Crime

Priority Number One - to Have the Justice systems hold those Brexit Vote Leave persons to account for Breaking the Law and Cover-up in Parliament - Met Police and CPS-- this may well include many MPs - most certainly the Official Opposition should be charged with Aid and Abet the 2016 Vote Leave Brexit Referendum Crime - has not been closed down still ongoing - File of evidence covering Outstanding Serious Offences = buried by Met police and CPS -- This means that Met Police and CPS have also broken the Law as they have a Duty laid down in Statute - not complied

There is already a Group advocating for PR - yes I am a member but - it is not going to happen until the present mayhem is sorted and there is a Political system for all and not able to be bought/blackmailed by Foreign Actors

I think it depends on what you expect PR to actually achieve. There's no doubt it would be fairer and much more democratic and that is valuable in itself. But if you expect it to allow politics to solve things like climate change and other global problems, you'll be disappointed.

In today's globalised world, it no longer matters that much which party or coalition is in power because all governments have no choice but to keep their national economies "internationally competitive". That means, relatively attractive to inward investors, corporations, the rich, the ratings agencies, etc. Any government that fails to do that and tries to support the poor and the environment, perhaps by raising taxes on business and the rich, or by robustly tightening environmental regulations would only make its economy LESS competitive - LESS attractive - and that would cause investment to dry up, business to go elsewhere, unemployment to rise and the next election to be lost. My point is: under globalisation, we effectively live in a market dictatorship in which the party we elect and the process used to elect them no longer matters much.

So do not think that PR will change that. It won't because it can't.

That's why a new global level of political action is now needed.

The inability to present an unassailable or unchallengeable case for electoral-cum-democratic reform is a major barrier to effective action. It is important to remember that democracy is an ideal towards which humanity is headed - an ideal of equality, the heaven-kissing summits of which we are oh-so-slowly moving towards. This democratic ideal has nothing whatsoever to do with day-to-day party politics, which is all too often diametrically opposed to it.

What is needed is a revolution in the heart of every individual - a revulsion against party politics of any kind, and a yearning for a transcendent socialistic ideal which has faith in the possibility of unlimited human co-operation for the good of all, for the benefit of all, the welfare of all. It is an ideal to be attained non-violently, by means of consensus arrived at by truthful communication, by means of honesty, by means of loving communication, vehement if necessary, but always with respect on both - or all - sides.

Please consider thinking a bit further out of the box. All governments need to be restructured from vertical top down, which corrupts easily and inevitably, to horizontal bottom-up which excludes the need for politicians, lobbyists, and political parties in one fell swoop and hence leave little room for corruption of any kind. This is a 7 minute animation I finished in April, 2020 explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywMhg604W8&t=5s

PR puts people in a seat to do as they please. What we need is direct digital democracy Facebook has something like 3 billion users now. So enough people have access to technology to enable them to participate in governance. We don't need parties or central governments. But just the civil service, and representative groups to do the donkey work of scrutinising new legislation.

Deductive Thinking

What we are experiencing even though there are some similar precedents (i.e. the Spanish Flu, the Plague), is a singularity. It is unique to the human experience, to our history. And to understand it deeply, one must know history and remain open to all possibilities, from one extreme to another. I am one who holds an extreme position. And I am not doubting that many people have died from something other than the usual causes of death, which we can call "covid 19". How many that have died is controversial, since it seems evident that many deaths that have been attributed to covid 19 may have been caused by other causes, and all information sources cannot be fully trusted.

The percentage of deaths from covid 19 compared to other causes may not justify the draconian, authoritarian measures that haven't seemed to have been able to stop the spread. Omicron, apparently is not fatal, yet the same draconian measures are being enacted as though it is. When in reality, it could be bringing us closer to herd immunity.

What is baffling however, is that people who had covid 19 once, sometimes get it again and that people who have been vaccinated also get it. So, it seems that antibodies that the vaccine produces and that the body produces are not working so well. Which makes one wonder if this is really a virus or something else?

From my perspective, it is no longer about Left or Right, it is about tyranny vs. freedom. From a historical point of view, it is clear to me at least, that the controllers are from the eugenicist-nazi factions. It is from the same line of very rich people and mega-corporations that sponsored Hitler's rise (https://fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve/) (https://justice4poland.com/2015/09/26/the-americans-who-funded-hitler-nazis-german-economic-miracle-and-world-war-ii/?fbclid=IwAR31Q6l7CWzrFCaVcJOD3SwK99_zNwpHvGFZh4ee3o4l3JVeq8Et2Vt-cJ4), it is their ancestors who continue to control either behind the scenes or in front (Bill Gates).

Allen Dulles, the first head of the CIA, met with Hitler secretly in 1933. Our gov't. has been historically and currently subverted by these entities (Kennedys' assassination, etc). It is a shame that progressives tend to ignore this reality.

I believe that most of us here know that governments around the world have been subverted by these same kinds of people by the same base and barbaric technique of intimidation, bribery, and murder for over a millenium. It is so simple to do, when you have no compunction about taking the lives of others, in a top-down, vertical structure of governance, simply because no one can resist. You either capitulate or you die. I am not a "conspiracy theorist". You can either refute these claims if you can, but don't simply dismiss them as a "conspiracy theory". That is lame, arrogant, and unproductive.

It seems quite likely that these people who truly wish to depopulate the planet and make a "super race" have planned the pandemic for decades (checkout the WEF agenda) and now that the technology exists to make it happen are using the "pandemic" as a pretext for world domination. Of course, this is an extreme position, but please keep your minds open to all possibilities, no matter how insane they might appear to be.

It is the idea of "social darwinism", a misconstruction of darwinism that justifies their behavior to them. It is the idea of the "survival of the fittest", the driving force behind the behavior of all living matter, that the "most fit", that is, the elites with the most money, have every right to dominate, since it is "natural" for the smartest to survive and flourish at the expense of the "weak", the less intelligent, and in this way for humanity to evolve towards a "super race", as opposed to a degenerate one, with all the "weak" constantly reproducing and overpopulating the planet.

The vaccine mandate today is not the same as those in the past. The reason being that now, as opposed to then, it is world-wide and with today's technology it could easily be used to entrap humanity inescapably ala "1984", if you just think about it for a second. Imagine that once this is in place, all gov'ts. can mandate vaccinations whenever it deems there is a need. This could go on indefinitely. And it would be very difficult, one might say, impossible to get them to ever reverse this. And with vaccine passports, all must submit or be left in the cold, so to speak. Welcome to 1984/2022.

I believe that this is what is being left out, which seems to be the most important necessary understanding if we ever wish to dig ourselves out of these tyrannical circumstances.

http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/massdeception.html

Addendum: first, a 7 minute animation explaining horizontal governance to prevent the dominance of nazi-eugenicists from usurping the powers of government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywMhg604W8. Can you imagine that the Jews sent to the death camps could imagine their fate? Just like today, if we are being sprayed with toxic materials, most people cannot imagine that anyone would do something that horrible. Yet, over and over the controllers assault humanity with unbelievably cruel attrocities, like war for example, or poisoning our water and food, indoctrinating our children in school, spying and censoring us, not to mention, rampant murder and assassinations of political figures and activists. If only people would wake up and realize what we are up against. https://www.nutritruth.org/.../chemtrail-pilot-speaks-out... ( https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/chemtrail-pilot-speaks-out-it-s-a-slow-?fbclid=IwAR2EmcfcjPIrd3Gi1dZY4K6CFjD9WW7L-540kGxPDsmnDOBDeCAoNTErlno )

I think the politist way I can respond to this is to say I don't think it belongs in this thread. Maybe you should start a separate post as it's so off at a tangent it really has nothing to do with the conversation that's been going on other than the word goverment is included in your post.

I thought it was relevant because it's necessary to address the root cause. Also, if you don't restructure gov't from vertical to horizontal, they will just do the same thing that they have done and do over and over, corrupt it with bribes, intimidation, and murder. If you would rather ignore my ideas, that is your option, but the links I provide are pretty convincing that what I say is not just idle conjecture. I am someone who doesn't like to attach to beliefs, but to always keep an open mind. I am not an absolutist. If anyone can refute my assertions, that would be great, because I would love to be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywMhg604W8

The video that you've shared on horizontal governance is actually very relevant to this discussion, especially with reference to the real world examples of Rojava and Chiapas. However, by nesting it within such extreme views, I suspect that you've unintentionally alienated most people on the thread, who won't therefore take the time to put aside the conjecture and watch the video.