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[post - cancelled] The N-VA prefers conservation of power instead of confederalism. To a state reform by the people then?

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Ilja Sun 30 Dec 2018 4:10PM

This whole thing (independent or not, NVA vs PS...) is a very polarised topic. I fear we're gonna get confronted with this sooner or later, so I think it's an important subject to talk about (even though I was always very hesitant to bring it up), but this feels to much to soon to already release something under the ppbe name about his.

Recently, it's been brought to my attention that we (Flemish people) to have been pawns in this game of polarisation as well (we, people in Belgium,, all have). I think that, as the group that we are, we're in a privileged position that we can get together, share takes we have on the subject and look through the bullshit. I also think we should actually start doing this some day.

About the article itself, I have a problem with the last point where 'logical conclusions' are drawn. That's basically making election points and therefore a big no-no for me. The fact that the sentence before said "so we prefer not to impose them ourselves" but then the points are still made, doesn't make it any better for me.

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Josse Sun 30 Dec 2018 7:14PM

Maybe the logical conclusion needs to be to go back to asking the people (e.g. referendum about institutions) and we could just remove the last paragraph or suggest the ideas between the text instead of imposing them at the end. Although as ppbe it would be logical to promote small parties e.g.

With the unitary state, it is rather the idea of keeping Belgium united.

The sentences - “In werkelijkheid waren Vlaanderen en Wallonië beter af geweest gesplitst dan met de schade die hij toegebracht heeft aan de democratie.” And “Di Rupo beheerst die particratie nog het beste van al want met het minste stemmen gijzelt hij het land.” are almost literally from the referred book about particracy. That does not mean the book can not be a bit controversial, but it would be good if ppbe can be aware of how damaging our particracy combined with communautary problems is. Wallonia would have been better off now independent without the communautair particracy, just to say how bad the consequences of a misused bad state structure can be. But I understand your concern.

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Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 30 Dec 2018 8:49PM

I think that, as the group that we are, we're in a privileged position that we can get together, share takes we have on the subject and look through the bullshit. I also think we should actually start doing this some day.

I don't know if we HAVE to do that, but I believe that if we want, as a group, to take stances on this issue, we shouldn't do it in the few hours/days after someone proposes an article about it. I agree with @iljabaert that we can have a discussion, and once we have conclusions on this issue, we can write more easily. In other words, I would put this article in the fridge for a (long) while, until we have had these discussions between us.