OpenAppJS Project Update - September

Thanks for the update! Some interesting development with The Citizens Media. Intend to use Loomio to help drive decisions on a collaborative currency exchange.

Thanks for the update, sounds like lots is going on, great stuff :)

I feel especially excited about collaboration with on of top Open Source contributors in JavaScript (and in general) http://git.io/top \o/

@ahdinosaur do you know if @balupton will join this group? BTW 'sup @dominictarr :)

@simontegg - do you plan to use the Peer Production license as written? Or re-write it? We took a look at it, but it was written so specifically for literary and artistic works that we backed off. I mean, I think of code as art, but probably most people don't...
http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Production_License

would it be possible to organise a Hangout to discuss directions for open App and maybe start a frequent sharing process to expose who is doing what ? this could be interesting to start collaboration initiatives. we have started a similar meetup in French though called build commons and I think open App is the similar english version

Wonderful update thanks Simon

@bobhaugen probably evolve it. I don't know enough about licenses.

A separate discussion but I've been thinking (and I think @joshuavial has as well) that system where people and groups autonomously declare the 'dependencies' of their projects and economic resources, perhaps using a 'creditWeight' spec like in that [paper],(http://arxiv.org/abs/1407.5117) would bootstrap peer-production financial flows.

You make a resource and give it a PPL. If people use your resource they should add it to their dependencies, and so on, until someone monetizes and resources flow back along their dependency paths.

@simontegg - I'll see if I can get some help from the P2PFoundation in evolving the PPL. I don't know enough about licenses either.

Re dependencies and credit weight: yes! We have an economic event type in place for that (citations), although they do not have "credit weight" in place yet. Would be good to make citations automatic when dependencies are declared in any of the popular dependency mechanisms.

here's the format I propose (any proposal is welcome)
- 10min per presentation per project
- present the creating commons dynamic and the shared technological orientations & choices
- open discussion / questions

scheduled every month by a doodle vote
max 1h30min
everything will be recorded and made public

to prepare our meeting, we could all list what we'll be taking about. feel free to add something to the process.

I'll be talking about
Pixel Humain (citizen social network) and presentating the creating commons group/ approach

here's a doodle to choose a date (within 2weeks)
http://doodle.com/z6mtexdrepwkxu2r

I will introduce the TransforMap / MMM project.

http://transformap.co

I could present W3C Social efforts, boilerplate for slides: http://bit.ly/1mvGMB2

I'd like to talk about economic networks and how to represent them in linked data. I will not present a solution, I don't have one. But I think we have the appropriate model. Lots of details in our github wiki if you are bored:
https://github.com/valnet/valuenetwork/wiki
I'm working on a quick way to present the core as it might fit into linked data.

P.S. is this another case of forking the conversation (started out with OpenAppsJS Project Update, now is about organizing a hangout)? This is not a complaint, I see how it happened, it was very natural and totally works for me. But it harks back to a previous question from (I think) @jonrichter about moving part of a thread to another Loomio discussion...

I'd like to start a discussion on how to get to standards for the shared data involved in open apps. @elfpavlik this might dovetail nicely with your topic. My concern is that the existing standards tend to be very corporate centric, and also a bit helter skelter. Do we adopt them and force our data into them? Do we adopt and add to them? Do we start our own effort? We could look at the Org model and/or the Product model for an example.

Slightly Off-Topic : @bobhaugen Yes, that was there ;) : https://www.loomio.org/d/Aho7cdZP/webdpack-exmple

Hi all, very heartened by the open and gracious reception. As we noted to Simon and Mikey, we have been architecting some services much like the People and Circles in OpenApp, and are thrilled to be able to collaborate with a wider network of like-minded folks to build something more than a one-off.

@lynnfoster your points on corporate-centric domain modeling as well taken. Our immediate needs are to develop tools for coordination of projects in a cooperative business (project reporting, organizational documentation, secure sharing, etc.). On the one hand this is a somewhat corporate problem space, but on the other our being a cooperative and a collective means that many assumptions in the (even more) corporate domain do not apply to us.

Our hope is that by being true to that ethos and developing tools that incorporate a wider array of collaborative approaches and domains into our work we will build something that both better supports our work and opens up new collaborative possibilities.

@simontegg and all: some new developments re PPL:
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-short-video-on-commons-based-reciprocity-licenses/2014/09/21
http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-4-value-and-currency/invited-comments/between-copyleft-and-copyfarleft-advance-reciprocity-for-the-commons/

@bobhaugen @simontegg PPL being developed by a group also behind CIC. founder is Stacco aka Ah Uhm on FB. Michel will be spending some focused time working with them early next year - if I recall correctly. I have an outline of his schedule and know he's crazy busy on tour with little internet time. We are connected though.. he's involved in the latest developments taking place with CM.

My interpretation of PPL is that it is an evolving concept. Figuring out exactly how it will work not yet identified.

It's philosophies will be integral in the way opportunity is created through CM (http://thecitizensmedia.com/pub/section/the-commons?id=1174)

http://cooperativa.cat/en/

@bobhaugen @simontegg

just sent an email to Stacco asking if there's any further info updating where things are at with PPL's

@carolinesmalley - the info I posted above came from Stacco.

@simontegg @carolinesmalley and all: Michel Bauwens says it will be a year before they are ready with an improved reciprocity-based license. Until then, he suggests using the PPL as-is and switching to the new one next year.

thanks @bobhaugen Stacco: "As Michel says the PPL exists and anyone can start using it right now. It is, however, far from perfect, so here's a short video of what we want out ideal license to look like and that's what we'll be working on this year.

We´ve been using it for over a year with no hassles. "

'short video' is as link above.

CM has PPL concepts built into the way it works, so far as those who provide solutions to communication and design challenges will be paid for their work (using cobudget and loomio as budget/decision making tools), and all profits will go to those who invest. my ? concerns how the co-op will valuations on related PPL's.

every one interested hasn't answer the doodle for the date
http://doodle.com/z6mtexdrepwkxu2r
for the moment it seems like monday 29 is a good time
but I leave it 2 more days
here's a doodle for the time frame in GMT
http://doodle.com/t3iaueym3bcgs4kh

Hi Every one
according to the Doodle it seems like Monday 29th is the right date and for the Time frame , I'll assume 3PM GMT is the right time , since not so many people answered on that doodle , you still can here
http://doodle.com/t3iaueym3bcgs4kh

see you all monday :-)

sorry @tiborkatelbach ... missed seeing this! I'll be heading to the airport that time (heading to Toronto for the global citizen forum - guest of the chair.. should be interesting! http://globalcitizenforum.org/ + fun :0) will make it so!

would love to have joined u. look forward to hearing how it goes.

no worries we'll record everything
interesting forum :)

Since there was a last contribution on the time frame
moving the meeting to 4pm GMT time
this is the final Time and wont be changed from now
cheers

Do you mean GMT or BST (GMT +1)?

I'm here in CEST (GMT +2), just to make sure.

http://clock.darkhorseanalytics.com/?a%5B0%5D%5Bname%5D=Berlin&a%5B0%5D%5Btz%5D=Europe%2FBerlin&a%5B0%5D%5BisHome%5D=true&a%5B1%5D%5Bname%5D=London&a%5B1%5D%5Btz%5D=Europe%2FLondon&a%5B1%5D%5BisHome%5D=false&a%5B2%5D%5Bname%5D=New+York+City&a%5B2%5D%5Btz%5D=America%2FNew_York&a%5B2%5D%5BisHome%5D=false

4pm GMT
so in 1/2h , I'm preparing the link for the Hangout

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g2x2gm2dbxpzmqt7aprnyn7udma

Sorry to miss this.. on a flight to Toronto

Hi All
I'm not sure why , but we were 5 attendees at the meetup ,
which was fun and constructive , but would love to see us all in the next one if possible

here's the recording
http://youtu.be/R91kOkNgEqY

and the notes and links
https://github.com/pixelhumain/buildingCommons/blob/master/meetups%20and%20links/20140929_BuildingCommons_en.txt

conslusion :
This First Meetup was positive
we agreed about collaborative thinking, and building
our first common goal is fairly easy and simple
Anyone interested in Building commons should use this person model
to describe themselves minimaly at least in this format
https://github.com/pixelhumain/buildingCommons/blob/master/person.json
and make it available on a server or commit it here to this repo
https://github.com/pixelhumain/buildingCommons/members

We'll start the Organization and the Event Json-LD for this event
https://github.com/pixelhumain/buildingCommons/blob/master/organisation.json
in order to build a common usable Person, Organization, Event JSON-LD starting point

sorry for not attending, my bad. let's please make this a regular event. :)

My apologies for absence...I had thought I could make the time, but was on the road for the time of the meeting...I'll plan better for the next one. Teddy

Hi
on the Doodle there was a second date (oct 5th)
so I propose to do this again as a 2nd first timer :-)
We'll then try to organize the frequency
if it's good for you same time 4PM

it would be great if by then we all did a bit of home work and filled up their person JSON-LD and maybe the organisation.
We'll soon have a project version as well soon.

Oct 5th, 16:00 UTC works for me! (just set reminder in my calendar)

will try to make it! thanks for the links

Flying back on Sunday.. will be 'in transit' at time of hangout. Possible to change to the next day? Sorry!

I'll add a week to that doodle and
let everybody answer
it would be cool to have people from loomio and enspiral join as well :)
http://doodle.com/4m7hxi8iycvcffri
I'll concider 16:00 UTC is the good time for everyone

it seems like like thursday 9th is our common day

thursday works :) thx Tibor

@tiborkatelbach can you close the pool? i already mark calendar for tomorrow (Thu, 9th 16:00UTC)

@jonrichter @paulmackay1 @xekoukou @ahdinosaur