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Sat 9 Sep 2023 4:37PM

Changes to the fiscal hosting arrangements for social.coop

G Graham Public Seen by 227

Providing this information by way of background/context, and to raise awareness, and stimulate discussion, with a view to one or two proposals:

For the last couple of years or so social.coop has worked with Platform 6 Development Cooperative. Platform 6 is a UK-based cooperative development organisation, which acts as a fiscal host on the Open Collective platform in support of innovative cooperative initiatives which don't have their own legal entity or bank account. From the Platform 6 perspective this partnership has in the main worked well. Platform cooperative initiatives like social.coop are exactly the type of thing Platform 6 was set up to encourage and support.

Shortly after we started providing this service, we (myself and my fellow Platform 6 directors at that time) decided that it was more trouble than it was worth to charge a fee for the service, in part because of the way that Open Collective handles that aspect, and the resulting book-keeping complexities that it created for us.

We're now a couple of years down the road, having learned a lot. Partly as a result of changes happening with Platform 6, we wanted to raise this thread and engage more widely with the social.coop community of users.

There are two issues that I want to raise, and to a degree they are linked:

  1. The issue of compensation. As above we chose early on to provide the service (initially at least) to social.coop without making any charge. We were learning about how it all worked, and this was a sensible choice at the time. Two years or so down the road, we think that the work we've been doing is useful to social.coop, and that it is now fair and reasonable that social.coop makes a modest contribution towards costs. In our experience the work involved in handing the book-keeping and dealing with expense payouts, etc amounts to 2 or 3 hours of work per month. Note that most of the fiscal hosts on the Open Collective platform do make a charge - up to about 10% of the value of contributions. I've informally discussed this with @Matt Noyes a while back.

  2. Things are in the process of change at Platform 6. For various reasons the founding group have largely chosen to step back, and whilst we continue to have a supportive membership we don't – in our current form – have the capacity to continue operations in a useful way. This was identified some while ago, and so steps were taken to look at how we could move forward constructively. We were keen as part of this to enable a seamless transition for the collectives we host if at all possible. We are working now to complete a process whereby Platform 6 will continue, as a subsidiary of innovation.coop. So the relationships will remain as is for hosted collectives. I've included a bit more below about innovation.coop and why this is all seen a positive step forward.

As it happens as well being part of Platform 6 I'm also a member of the founding group behind innovation.coop. This is not a coincidence: both organisation are born out thinking and work that I did in about 2008 with a colleague, and which was subsequently flavoured with all the stuff that's happened in the interim with platform cooperatives and the growing power of the GAFAM tech giants in the online world over the last fifteen years. innovation.coop is a fairly new cooperative organisation that is working to become what I call an "entrepreneurial ecosystem-enabling cooperative'. We've talked about it as a protective 'biome' under whose cooperative canopy lots of cooperative innovation can take place in an environment where cooperation is the default setting.

There's more about it on the website (although that's not currently as clear or simple as we want it be). As a business development and support organisation in its own right, innovation.coop has the notion of fiscal hosting as part of its emerging service portfolio. It is also focussing on digitally oriented business models, so when I raised the possibility of taking on some of the work that Platform 6 has been engaged in the idea was enthusiastically supported. Platform 6 provides fiscal hosting to over 30 collective groups, most if not all of a cooperative nature, and the two most prominent among them being social.coop and meet.coop. Both of these important initiatives are close to innovation.coop's heart in being digitally oriented as well as cooperative, and are highly aligned to innovation.coop's plans for similar services. innovation.coop is soon to go live with an email service and has been working for some time on a hosting service utilising cooperatively owned hardware hosted in a cooperative data centre in the UK. We believe that there is lots of potential for collaboration, cooperation and innovation in this space, and we're excited to be exploring and creating new relationships.

innovation.coop would be keen to develop a closer relationship with social.coop than Platform 6 had the capacity to do, and is also now about to launch into a programme of work with meet.coop with the aim of stabilising and developing that business, building on the great work of the founding group, and working in cooperation with (at least) two other cooperatives to make that happen.

AES

@Nathan Schneider Innovation‍.coop is a co-operative society. Platform 6 is a company limited by guarantee. Both are legal constructs specific to the United Kingdom, and we are waiting to learn how to account for them in the transition from a legal perspective (from Chris Funnell).

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Graham Tue 17 Oct 2023 8:02AM

Apologies for the period of silence from me on this thread. Just really busy with a lot going on here. To let people know, we are still working on this, and there are internal meetings coming up where I hope and expect that we'll more clearly define the pathway ahead, and I'll then come back here with more info. BTW, my colleague Shaun tells me he met with you @Andrew Escobar (Andres) in Montreal a few weeks ago.

AES

@Graham Yes, thanks Graham. I was going to update social‍.coop on my conversation with Shaun Fensom, which you’ve captured really well in the long post above. I would also add that we pinged Chris Funnell about the transition from a legal perspective — about the memo you mentioned on P6 Loomio (and I’ve referenced on social‍.coop Loomio). Thanks for your leadership on this, Graham.

ES

Ed Summers @edsu Tue 2 Apr 2024 10:26AM

So it looks like this transition happened now that the social.coop DNS registration is in the name of Innovation Cooperative Limited?

Will the £600 proposed in the budget now go to Innovation Coop instead or Platform6?

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Nathan Schneider Wed 3 Apr 2024 1:12PM

@Ed Summers edsuedsuedsureds

Important question. @Andrew Escobar (Andres) · social.coop Finance Working Group ?

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Graham Mon 8 Apr 2024 10:58AM

@Ed Summers edsu The organisational restructuring we're going through will in due course mean that Platform 6 and Innovation Coop will be one and the same legal entity. That's not the case yet, but the wheels are in motion. Once we've done the legal stuff we'll get into the administrative work of reorganising bank accounts and suchlike, and how we are presented on Open Collective. I've got an internal call on the process next week I think so I'll hopefully be able to bring a little more clarity on timelines following that.