Mon 28 May 2018 9:34AM

Sending emails from from nvc-global.net

D Dieudonné Public Seen by 308

The question is around tools to support sending a large number of emails : for example a newsletter to members of nvc-global.net


Dieudonné Mon 28 May 2018 9:41AM

Does anyone in this Loomio group know an open-source solution relatively easy to install that could do the job ?
For the moment the solution found is Jackmail (a WordPress plugin, which will allow to send up to 2000 emails per month, for $5/month).
The problem I see with it is that when anyone clicks to links within the sent emails, it redirects to a website starting with this address :
* http://eye.sbc33.com

which can then collect private informations on our community, statistics, etc…


Julie Tue 29 May 2018 3:04AM

I believe the intention of collecting information is so that we ourselves can see how many people are opening the email, and/or clicking on links in the email (not WHO, just how many) ... this is useful for us to know how our messages are landing (or if they're even being received), AND I'm open to the idea that this is not OK for people. I'd appreciate if anyone is reading this, to let us know how you feel about that kind of tracking. Thank you!


Dieudonné Wed 30 May 2018 12:39PM

An open-source solution a friend just gave me, telling me it seems relatively easy to install :
* https://www.phplist.com : Email Marketing Powered by Open Source


Dieudonné Wed 30 May 2018 12:42PM

Extract from their website :

Send 9000 messages per month for $1 only.*


Dieudonné Wed 30 May 2018 12:45PM

Oups, sorry a mistake. Maybe I confused with this solution :
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpList
* https://www.phplist.org/


Julie Thu 31 May 2018 8:33AM

Great, thanks, I'll look into it.


Julie Thu 31 May 2018 8:31AM

Elkie has asked me to send an email from the site, on her behalf. In the process, I've discovered a couple of things that are worth mentioning.

I've finally seen what you were talking about, Dieudonne, with the Jackmail newsletter email, where the link actually goes to some unknown site. As I thought, it was for tracking - so that Jackmail could let us know when people click on those links. I've now discovered you can turn OFF tracking - so that's what I'll do for now.

Also, I've just found out that when people with gmail accounts receive the Jackmail newsletter/email, it can end up going to Spam if the is set to something@nvc-global.net, because gmail sees that (new) email address as not having a "reputation" yet (hasn't been used before), and is therefore more likely to be a spammer. So, if anyone sends email from the site, it's best to use your own email address.



Bob W Fri 1 Jun 2018 2:37AM

It seems like turning off tracking will make it harder to know if we are ending up in spam folders. ☹️


Bob W Fri 1 Jun 2018 6:05PM

Catch-22 How can we build up a reputeation unless we send emails from site addresses? I’m curious if there are suggestions about becoming a trusted address?


Julie Sat 2 Jun 2018 5:42AM

I know right? Crazy. Researching told me this: "Consider using a dedicated IP address and private domain" (we've done that), and "when becoming a “new sender” with a new IP address, be sure to use an IP ramp-up strategy: Start by sending a low volume of emails and gradually increase the volume over several weeks." ... not sure how to do that ... perhaps by sending email to the weave members, then add in ImpC, then add in Loomio members ... ? And asking people to keep an eye out and open them and click on them?

Also, if we're going to go to that amount of effort, which email addresses should we do it for? I reckon admin and impc?


Brent Barker Sun 3 Jun 2018 12:10AM

I bet the domain itself starts getting a good rep, so we can start with any. I think sending to people we know, then explicitly asking them to tag it as not spam in a separate email that we know they are actually getting.


Bob W Fri 1 Jun 2018 6:09PM

Thinking about multilingual issues... We are going to need different mailing lists for different languages. I really want to be able to have the system automatically add people to appropriate language-based lists, without human intervention—I worry that maintaining accurate membership in mailing lists will be difficult otherwise. I expect this is likely to be much easier if we have a mailing solution that is well-integrated with WordPress. So, I hope we will take this into account with regard to any mailing solution considered.