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Loomio - Telegram integration

Eduard Kurganskyi PublicSeen by 118

Telegram is popular message platform. There is open source Integram_bot for integrate Telegram with different services. Such integration would be useful for communities that don't use Slack.

Robert Guthrie

Hi @eduardk. Sounds cool. Are you interested in developing a Loomio integration for integram_bot?

Eduard Kurganskyi

Yes. Can the Lomio team do this integration?

Robert Guthrie

Hi @eduardk. Thanks for your interest. I'm assuming you have some funds to contribute to the development of a telegram bot. If so, that's wonderful, let's discuss this further by email: rob@loomio.org

Robert Guthrie

As it happens, we're currently working on a Microsoft Teams integration, I think it would be cool to offer Slack, MS Teams, and Telegram bots.

Eduard Kurganskyi

I would like to provide a full cycle for the work of the membership organization. Now we know that Loomio has LDAP integration. The algorithm is seen like this:
Telegram -> payment operator -> LDAP -> Loomio -> Telegram

I need some time to search for a Ukrainian payment operator ready to provide information updates in LDAP on the basis of the ​fee.

Robert Guthrie

I'd like to know more about what you're doing. What are you charging people for?

Eduard Kurganskyi

B2Future is the ​small organization that advocates changes in taxation. We are working with the specific bill.

Now we are planning to expand the list of bills. And, as part of this change, consider the possibility of transformation into a membership organization.

We have some specific needs. But in this thread, I try to talk about a universal solution for membership organizations. NGO are looking for that solution.

Connor

I too have wished for a universal solution for membership organizations. Unfortunately, it seems that it's still pretty fractured. Loomio is a nice forum, but with its lack of flexibility you might as well use Discourse with some voting plug-ins. If you want to gamify the membership, which may be very effective, you'd have to shift even further to something like Gamipress. And if you want real-time collaboration you'd need another messenger platform (e.g. Matrix) on top of all of that. Yikes!
At some point the better option becomes something like CiviCRM. But it would be awesome if someone made a hosting service for orgs with Loomio already tied into to all of this stuff!

Matthew Cropp

+1 - as social.coop has been discussing re-opening to new members, the question of membership management between the multiple platforms we use (Loomio, Opencollective, Mastodon, Git.coop, Matrix, etc.) is looming large...

Eduard Kurganskyi

@adroit
Thank you for the recommendations. I think we will try to use Loomio for a small organization that goes from the real to the virtual. And Discourse for improving the quality of discussion for the large informal community - as an alternative to the group on Facebook.

Robert Guthrie

I'm keen to find out if people are interested in a product offering of something like gluu + loomio + (other things) for a yearly fee of something like $500 to $1000. Hosted on your own VPS in a datacenter of your choice.

We could offer use of a subdomain like yourorg.loomio.net or custom domain, including managed updates and backups, however we would not provide "full" support such as anti spam or attack support like we do with loomio.org.

Eduard Kurganskyi

From my experience, the activity of a public organization begins with a meeting of people. Next, they choose a service for communications. Often choose a messenger.

Next, the group needs for decision making. Loomio is the best for it. But it would be more convenient for the group to make a decision without leaving the messenger. LoomioBot should solve this problem. Users lose links and forget passwords. Young people don't like email. And Slack is more focused on the IT community.

Further, the group increases in size and enters the system work. There is a question of financing. One of the answers is membership fees. Payment service is chosen in the country. Among the selection criteria:

  • ability to invoice via messenger
  • the ability to manage users in Loomio via API (in accordance with the membership fees)

More universal solution is to manage users in all web services of the organization using LDAP.

I think​ this is universal set of services for a membership organization.

Urban-management

It would be really nice option for us here. I quess that our 500 members of the community Urban Space 500 will appreciate that kind of integration possibility. And for now we're one of the biggest communities that deciding to make descision in loomio here in Ukraine. And we're trying to explaine them that we're here for development of innovations in the descision making process within Ukraine. Even if it hard to vote for them here.
http://urbanspace500.com.ua/en#idea

@robertguthrie

Robert Guthrie

Good to hear. We've got our Microsoft Teams integration in beta testing.
I think we'll be adding Facebook and Telegram integrations with the same functionality soon.

martin ➬

@robertguthrie I hope you're also considering Matrix. For one thing, Matrix is all about bridging between different protocols, and given that it has Telegram bridges, and bridges to other proprietary protocols and silos, it could actually serve as an integration gateway!

Connor

Exactly! Plus, Loomio is libre software, Matrix is libre software. Many groups, mine included, use Loomio for this reason, and thus would not use slack etc.

Robert Guthrie

@madduck at this stage we only building integrations that customers pay us for. Hopefully soon we'll be able to afford to be ahead of the game there. However, I agree with the sentiment.