Thanks for gathering this, @draft @funkycram . Good idea to expand the opening page.

Feedback:

I think we should not mention SSO or common menu in the intro, that is too implementation oriented. Or Communecter, let's keep all the specifics out to be more open. Suggest something like "See the wekan board (with link) to see what is being worked on right now."

I agree with @bobhaugen that there are too many MUSTs. If we have a problem with someone's behavior in the collective, we resolve it directly with them.

I think the "technical explanation of the ecosystem" is not discussed or decided yet, it is too early for that to be in the introduction.

Just clicked into this https://github.com/open-app/core from the existing intro. Has some good ideas in it, like the list of criteria for an open app in the ecosystem.

Can we make use of some of the original historical references, to keep some continuity?

I added the github resource.

I'd like this intro to be very concrete. And SSO, common menu are very concrete. Even if we don't all agree on this, it's something hapenning.

What we could do is to make a list of our concrete actions and put the links of the different actions in the wekan, instead of saying go the wekan. Like that people are more likely to participate ? :D

I created a google doc (easier to make comment) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/10CSLuoQwHpQc4UeO1MVPADTUHTzEZ1daDmRIZjV4qNc/edit?usp=sharing

@lynnfoster Actually I don't understand when you say there are too much "must"

Actually I don't understand when you say there are too much "must"

Ah my mistake, they are gone now, I needed to refresh my page it looks like.... sorry about that! (note to self in the future)

Yeah I need to read myself 3 or 4 times before getting the right ideas off my head :D

Waw, this is getting pretty well structured. Good momentum.

@funkycram

To replace google, why not using https://cloud.communecter.org ? It integrate Collabora which permits to work on open documents in a collaborative way.

I wanted to try it for a list of organizations and their internal working policies in response to a conversation in https://chat.lescommuns.org/channel/open.apps.ecosystem - but it wants a username or email and password, which seem to assume a user account, but does not seem to offer a way to sign up for an account.

Also, how does that compare to https://hackmd.communecter.org/ , which @tiborkatelbach just suggested in that chat?

Replacing google docs should be a priority but I have found no equivalent collaborative authoring environment. Work in google docs is highly productive in several communities I am in. It will make us more effective in the short term until we can replace it and the rest of google office. Google Script is a way we can integrate with the tools of the future as they become available.

Apparently Net cloud is a good alternative, but I can't say as I didn't test it yet.

Have you ?

P.S. I generally agree with Bob's and Lynn's concerns about Google Docs. (I didn't consider that in my very specific and quick "vote".)

We're experimenting with @funkycram 's suggestions. @jimwhitescarver you might want to add your organization(s) to this doc:
https://hackmd.communecter.org/MYFgzMCGAMCcIFoAmsBswEgEZYEwK1gEZYFdytolhpUAzSMIA===

[edit] You probably need some access permissions, which you can probably get from funkycram...

@gregorycassel @bobhaugen @jimwhitescarver @lynnfoster
Our new "Google drive" open alternative (Nextcloud on our server) has just been launch : https://cloud.openappecosystem.cc/index.php/s/ySqpaoi6AGuZzsx
Feel free testing it.

For https://hackmd.communecter.org , you need an account to edit, but registration is open : just enter a username and password, click on "register" and enter your username and password again to login.

I'm sorry for not taking part to all the Loomio discussions, but I don't have enough time to both participate to the debates and code. So when needed a technical information, contact me preferentially on https://chat.lescommuns.org/channel/open.apps.ecosystem or in private message in this chat. Thanks.

Regarding potential Google Docs alternatives: They sometimes lack one or more of the specific features of Google Docs, such as selection-based commentary which I find extremely helpful during RFC/ request for comments phases. (Sometimes, the alternatives also have extra functions of IMO variable usefulness.) However, my main concern really with collaborative editing is data security.

Google Docs creates a good deal of data security IMO by being a longstanding feature of a wealthy corporate monolith. I'm confident that my Google Docs aren't likely to disappear for a very long time, if ever. Alternatives definitely vary on this front.

Ideally, a collaborative editing app should enable people to easily export all data in a reasonably readable (or ready-to-use) format. (For instance, by using structural metadata which directly links selection-based comments to the selections they were attached to.) If an app did this-- allowed easy, effective & complete export-- then I'd be much less concerned about data security.

At least some of the document styles in https://cloud.openappecosystem.cc/index.php/s/ySqpaoi6AGuZzsx (like that one) allow selection-based comments.

I have installed https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/ for ODT files editing. It support changes recording, multiple users editing in the same time and selection-based commentary.
Backups are done every day. Files are standard ODT files, you can edit them on your local computer with Libre Office.

@funkycram 's comment arrived just as I was posting mine, but I can confirm selection-based comments...

I made a proposal for the objective (we didn't agree on this before) : https://www.loomio.org/d/AwIh7mYM, I personnally agree with all your propositions ;)

Put all the docs in the nextcloud is a good idea.