[post] Pour une consultation populaire à Ottignies-Louvain-la-Neuve

VD Valerie D. Public Seen by 26

A group of citizens in Ottignies-Louvain-la-Neuve has just started collecting signatures to demand a "consultation" about the expansion of the mall in LLN. The pirates of the city, with agreement of the BW crew, would like to post their support to this initiative. We support it because it is an act of participative democracy (and actually the OLLN pirates are members of that group).

The website of the initiative:

I can make a blog post based on their "communiqué de presse". But first I want to get the agreement of other pirates that are not from the crew.

Do you agree on posting such a message?

Article published : https://fr.pirateparty.be/vers-la-consultation-populaire-et-au-dela/


Josse Sat 14 Jan 2017 11:43AM

I like the idea, but would you write more than just "we support the initiative" and explain more about why it is a good example of why people should be involved in the process? I am working on a text on "What is a good democracy?" in general also. (I will create a separate post for that)


Valerie D. Sat 14 Jan 2017 7:29PM

I wanted to write a few lines on why this matters for pirates... and our point of view of what can be done with it. Ok? Then I could refer to your post and vice-versa?


Josse Sun 15 Jan 2017 4:20PM

We can see if it makes sense to link afterwards. Go ahead!


Valerie D. Sun 15 Jan 2017 6:03PM

I started drafting here:
But I am lacking time
If any ideas, for instance with finding arguments on the reasons why this is an interesting political act, please go ahead !


Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 15 Jan 2017 9:34PM

I agree that you post an article on the website about that.

It's an opportunity to use your citizen power, and if this power is not used, it's automatically lost.
No matter how strong the opposition, or how useless this might be : you have the right to express your opposition, to be heard. Other citizens might feel empowered by seeing what you do and take the same attitude, now and on other issues.

About this, but it's an argument on the project not on the "why this is an interesting political act" : http://liegeaucoeur.be/image/155438682237
"Pour ce qui est des grands centres commerciaux, Jean-Claude Marcourt estime que la Wallonie est arrivée à saturation"


Valerie D. Mon 16 Jan 2017 8:07PM

version 1 is on the pad.... you can shoot!

@vanecx thanks for the article :thumbsup: FYI eventually I did not use it because I decided not to talk about mall as such, but to focus on the democratical act.


Pascal Dk Mon 16 Jan 2017 11:24PM

Je découvre le sujet (en dehors de ce qu'on m'en a déjà dit)

Ce qui serait vraiment cool c'est d'avoir un pool juridique capable de vous aider, on l'a pas, donc reste que vous... et les gens d'OLLN.

Bref, y'a une question locale, des citoyens au taquet, et des pirates... GO FOR IT !!


Valerie D. Tue 17 Jan 2017 8:23AM

hi again, version 2 online, more "political".
Challenge: to put it online in French before this evening because this evening there is a Conseil Communal where they will discuss this consultation. I would prefer to have the message online before that... :sweat_smile:


Valerie D. Tue 17 Jan 2017 6:32PM

The article is online on the FR website, but it does not appear yet... not sure why.


Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 17 Jan 2017 6:48PM

I don't see the article anywhere in the admin dashboard

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