Fri 9 Mar 2018 10:53PM

New Member Open Poll

JO Jonathan Ogden Public Seen by 400

Hey there,

Be sure to participate in the first decision on this community forum!

I'd like to collect some ideas from the community, add and/or vote on options here: https://www.loomio.org/p/nipzdF7K/new-member-open-poll


Jonathan Ogden Fri 9 Mar 2018 11:52PM

@benjaminkerensa it seems like there's a need to review the "purpose" of the MNA. How the neighborhood projects specified are enacted is not anything that was defined, it could easily be done through coordinating with those groups (e.g. Safer Spaces PDX), so your poll option is a bit confusing.


Jonathan Ogden Sat 10 Mar 2018 10:16PM

So upon reviewing my previous email discussions regarding the use of this platform, I believe that even though we're only using it for survey data at the moment it does actually meet all of the requirements for public meetings that are held via telephone or electronic communication (so in the future it may actually be the deliberation, isn't that swell?).

I'll bring it up with Paul, but you can review the state requirements here: https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/192.670
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/192.243 <--also applies to the rest of our requisite reports as I interpret that.


Jonathan Ogden Sat 10 Mar 2018 10:29PM

Yeah @benjaminkerensa Idk man, the law really appears to be on my side here, I think I might just ask Paul if we can do away with physical meetings at all to have a continuous meeting online that just updates the membership whenever anything happens (like decisions closing). Might be cool to have that Monday open for a community party instead?




Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 1:37AM

Also, there's a recommendation from 2005 to allow electronic meetings, so I feel like I can make a case for the platform (search "electronic meeting"): https://www.portlandoregon.gov/oni/article/70393


Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 2:14AM

Yeah this looks like I can make the case that Loomio offers more of an opportunity for exchange.



Benjamin Kerensa Mon 12 Mar 2018 8:02PM

ORS 192 doesn’t apply to nonprofits by the way that applies to public bodies like city government which the MNA is not. MNA is subject to ORS 65.


Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 8:15PM

Oh good you're back, right so it's kind of hard to tell since you seem to have deleted your comments but if that's the case it seems even more straight-forward: https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/65.205

What am I missing?


Benjamin Kerensa Mon 12 Mar 2018 8:33PM

Your missing the ONI Standards which require meetings to be in a physical place.

But also if you even read that statute it states “Participation by remote communication is subject to guidelines and procedures that the board adopts.”

The board hasn’t adopted a policy but even if it did ONI doesn’t allow electronic meetings. Meetings must be open to the public to participate and must be at a physical location announced to the public.

I reviewed also the meeting where you suggest loomio was approved. There was no vote you actually just asked if you could explore options and even that wasn’t voted on.

There are video and audio records of every meeting your board has had since election.


Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 8:45PM

So we're exploring options then, there's a meeting tonight and I've asked Paul to give a clear determination, perhaps I can get them to change their policy in 2018 per the 2005 recommendation; seems like you're mired in the bureaucratic aspect of this without thinking about how that can hinder growth, change is inevitable.

I think you need a new hobby also, just my opinion.


Jonathan Ogden Sat 10 Mar 2018 12:05AM

It is actually, since I had already asked them about using a platform other than FB (it's no different). It just requires an eventual formal vote, this is effectively "outreach" or "market research".

Oh, also this is a public forum just so you're aware. It's only restricted in the sense that only MNA members are invited at the moment.

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