Wed 25 Jan 2017 11:30PM

Camp #1 Funding Proposal and Budget

KP Kevin Peterson Public Seen by 366

Establish priorities for Camp #1 Grant Proposal.
1) Start up requirements for Camp Builders
2) Start up requirements for Camp of 50
Standards: http://bit.ly/2jgvXH3
Design Brief: http://bit.ly/2kESeya
Camp Mind Map: http://bit.ly/2kxBl5k
Daft Budget: http://bit.ly/2kurBrG
Supplier List: http://bit.ly/2jUxoYM
Camp Design Video: https://youtu.be/-3EpfeEt_FM


Kevin Peterson Wed 25 Jan 2017 11:48PM

@johndennisliu wants to build as much stuff as possible. Consequently, I beleive we need to think about what we need to accommodate the camp builders as a first step. Once we have identified the resources needed for the builders, we can figure out how much we have left to scale up to 50 persons. Does that seem reasonable to everyone? @johndennisliu ?
If that is are starting point, we probably need to buy enough yurts for the builders, 1? 2? or 3?


Kevin Peterson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:00AM

@johndennisliu Does it seem reasonable to purchase yurts for capacity of 12 builders?
Building supplies for habitation for 38? We can budget for the construction of yurts for 38, or should we budget for a more substantial option? Should we budget materials to put the yurts on a platform?


Jeff Anderson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:02AM

Basic budget areas:
* START-UP HOUSING for camp-build team of up to 10 people;
* FURTHER HOUSING for up to total of 50 people;
* OTHER STRUCTURES (floors for housing, kitchen, work/study spaces, shade structures, walkways etc);
* SANITATION (compost toilets, showers, laundry etc);
* SITE VEHICLE (e.g. pick up truck);
* WATER SUPPLY (dig well if needed; pumps, plumbing etc)
* ENERGY SUPPLY (solar, biogas, fuel, firewood, electrics, etc)
* TOOLS & WORKSHOP (all tools and facilities necessary to build/maintain the camp)
* COMFORT (beds, other furniture, carpets, etc.)
* FOOD (budget for at least a few months food supply?)


Jeff Anderson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:10AM

START-UP HOUSING: We should be able to buy 6.7 meter yurts (accommodating 4-6 people each) for approx. 3,300 EUR per yurt. So, at most, the budget for PURCHASING start-up housing for the build-team would be approx. 10,000€. Can be less if we make simpler housing for the build team.


Kevin Peterson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:13AM

We need to get Daniel and Alfonso into this discussion. They are both on site!


Jeff Anderson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:17AM

I already have SITE VEHICLE e.g truck on my list ;) A suggestion of 10,000 EUR was floated as budget for this.


Jeff Anderson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:22AM

I would still like to know from other sources in the coop (e.g. @johndennisliu) the urgency of drafting this budget for Commonland. Do we have a target date for submitting it to them, or just "as soon as possible"? We will work more effectively here if we have a defined time period to reach some kind of conclusion on the budget. We can do more or less research on the details according to how long we have to prepare the draft.


Kevin Peterson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:50AM

My understanding is that the money is waiting for us, we just need to get it the proposal in.


Jeff Anderson Thu 26 Jan 2017 12:35AM

Do you think it would be reasonable to assume we can build most housing structures ourselves (yurts, tipis, tents etc.) for around HALF the price (or maybe even less) that they can typically be bought?

That might be a quick way to budget costs for all the housing without needing to research costs of materials.


John Dennis Liu Thu 26 Jan 2017 8:09AM

Dear Jeff / Kevin: Greetings. Your questions on the funding. It was available earlier but the squabbling in the Facebook page might scare the donors. I'm not as sure as I was about the funding now. We need to do this as cheaply as possible but we can't have unsafe or ugly living quarters. This first camp in Spain serves a couple of purposes. One is to allow training and direct action in regenerative agriculture and large-scale ecosystem restoration and the other is to serve as a benchmark for other camps to come. If we set the bar too low then people in camps could have difficult times in the future. If we get this right it sets a standard for the other camps to follow. I think that the cost of making the accommodations is mostly labor. If we calculate only the materials it is very cheap. If we calculate the retail costs we will never be able to restore the Earth. We need to see the middle way. The Tao.

I recommend that we make almost everything ourselves with the best tools and machines. We theoretically could buy a few starter dwellings ... these could be Yurts, could be tents, could be domes. But the majority we make after installing the shop.

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